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O/T Tuilagi
blucherquin (IP Logged)
04 August, 2017 07:07
Genuine question - can someone reasonably and calmly explain why you'd call Tuilagi back into the England set up.

Injuries aside, he feels to me like a player from a different era of England rugby and not in the mouldy of Jones' side at all - so what would he add?

Don't dislike him just think (sadly for him) his time is past.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
04 August, 2017 07:34
I think a fit Tuilagi would get into most sides. He is something different from our current centre options. Another way I tend to look at it. If I were playing England/Tigers, who would I be glad is missing?? He is one of the names.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
04 August, 2017 08:32
Does any more need saying other than he's a very good player who has done well for England and the Lions in the past, and is only aged 26 with not too many miles on the clock?

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
Fearless Fred (IP Logged)
04 August, 2017 08:48
It doesn't tend to fit in with Jones's style of two playmakers at 10 & 12, although how much of that is wanting both Ford & Farrell on the pitch. My concern about him is that he has become an injury magnet over the last few years. He seems to get fit, play a game or two, then break again (a bit like June Porno-Salad, but useful when he *does* play!). I'd also want to see that he's expanded his passing and kicking game as a centre. We (England) need to be unpredictable, able to change a play on the fly. At the moment, I don't think that Tuilagi would work in that sort of team.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
04 August, 2017 08:49
Arfur couldn't have sold him betta!

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
blucherquin (IP Logged)
04 August, 2017 08:58
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Quinten Poulsen
Does any more need saying other than he's a very good player who has done well for England and the Lions in the past, and is only aged 26 with not too many miles on the clock?

Well a little bit more yes, because I can't work out how you'd pair him or use him other than perhaps as an impact player for last 20 mins in the current set up...not denying his abilities (well, he's got no kicking out of hand obvs) but isn't he just a Roberts style crash ball player or am I being naive?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2017 09:00 by blucherquin.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
Andrew_quins (IP Logged)
04 August, 2017 09:12
Jones likes Te'o and a fit Manu is similar and arguably a better player so would certainly be a great option as a 'finisher' at least. No reason why he couldn't also start with a JJ or Daly in the centres - the space he would create for those two running off him is an exciting prospect.

I don't know how ready he is but he's presumably fit enough to train so he can't be far off getting back to action. But he's got a long way to go to prove he can stay injury free.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
04 August, 2017 09:42
Quote:
Fearless Fred
It doesn't tend to fit in with Jones's style of two playmakers at 10 & 12, although how much of that is wanting both Ford & Farrell on the pitch. My concern about him is that he has become an injury magnet over the last few years. He seems to get fit, play a game or two, then break again (a bit like June Porno-Salad, but useful when he *does* play!). I'd also want to see that he's expanded his passing and kicking game as a centre. We (England) need to be unpredictable, able to change a play on the fly. At the moment, I don't think that Tuilagi would work in that sort of team.

I've never been one to join the Tuilagi love-in that seems to follow him around. As mentioned elsewhere, very much a Roberts style crash ball player. A very good one, yes, but lacking in other areas. I hope his skill set has expanded, as he really could be a great player. I recall Nonu used to have a similar game early in his career but he developed his skills and what a player he was.

Time will tell, but I hope he isn't be included based on past glories.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
T-Bone (IP Logged)
04 August, 2017 09:53
Tuilagi is a poor JTH. Discuss

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
04 August, 2017 10:59
Quote:
blucherquin
...no kicking out...

Doesn't need to - ask Ashton.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
SimonG19 (IP Logged)
04 August, 2017 15:32
Quote:
Quinten Poulsen
Does any more need saying other than he's a very good player who has done well for England and the Lions in the past, and is only aged 26 with not too many miles on the clock?

No.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
Banstead Quin (IP Logged)
05 August, 2017 08:39
Our forwards have got better hands than him, so hopefully he's had the sense to work on them during his time out. He had Aaron Mauger there for most of his spell out so had the perfect coach to work with.

If he could add that to his game, he would be worth the starting place but can't see it. With Daly, Brown & Watson running if of him, Defences would have nightmares.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
Fearless Fred (IP Logged)
07 August, 2017 11:31
Oh dear!


Quote:
England Rugby (@EnglandRugby)
SQUAD UPDATE | Denny Solomona and Manu Tuilagi have been sent home today from England's training camp following team culture issues.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
Cookie (IP Logged)
07 August, 2017 11:51
It's a shame whatever's happened at camp with these two.

But anybody who thinks Tuilagi didn't deserve consideration for an England training camp has a very short and disingenuous memory.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/08/2017 12:29 by Cookie.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
07 August, 2017 12:17
Thats his England career finished, donut!!!

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
DazzaS (IP Logged)
07 August, 2017 12:31
According to BBC and other websites, it is alcohol related

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
07 August, 2017 12:38
If the rumours that they were out drinking til the early hours are true then they've behaved incredibly stupidly.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
07 August, 2017 14:48
Hard to see a way back into the international fold for Tuilagi after this one.

He's had loads of chances and been given every inch possible considering his injury history, and yet he still does daft nonsense like this.

If it's true that the players voted on the punishment, then he doesn't even have that support to fall back on.

Great player, but clearly not a great professional. Not sure he'll really be missed if we don't play him again.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
Fearless Fred (IP Logged)
07 August, 2017 15:22
Leicester must be getting to the point where they're considering whether they want to renew his contract. In the past two seasons he played 8 games in 16/17 (2 off the bench) and 1x6 Nations sub appearance, and 11 club appearances in 15/16. He reportedly signed his latest vontract as the highest paid player (at the time) in England of £425k, which is a LOT of money for a player who i) has been plagued by injuries for a while now, ii) has a history of disciplinary problems both on and off the field. If I were on the Leicester board, I'd be thinkinking "is it worthwhile tying up so much of our money on this player?".

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
Cookie (IP Logged)
07 August, 2017 15:50
I don't think any of his off-field indiscretions have been while on Leicester duty. That being the case, and if he gets frozen out by England, it might work out very well for the Tigers.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
blucherquin (IP Logged)
07 August, 2017 16:33
Quote:
Cookie
It's a shame whatever's happened at camp with these two.
But anybody who thinks Tuilagi didn't deserve consideration for an England training camp has a very short and disingenuous memory.

Nope just asked how he fits back into a side that plays a totally different style of rugby

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
DOK (IP Logged)
07 August, 2017 16:39
Eddie Jones clearly saw a way to fit him in. And I wouldn't necessarily write off his England career, but if he comes back he'll have to be good as gold.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
Chuckquin (IP Logged)
07 August, 2017 22:26
The interesting stat is that the total IQ of the squad has not changed with his departure

 
 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
DOK (IP Logged)
07 August, 2017 23:12

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
blucherquin (IP Logged)
08 August, 2017 10:02
Jones must be furious with Tuilagi, he spent 24 hours singing his praises in the media "if he's fit and ready to go, we'll play him" and then had to kick him out for being an idiot.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
08 August, 2017 10:28
Quote:
Bolly-Quin
Arfur couldn't have sold him betta!

Hit 'im, Chris!

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
08 August, 2017 10:40
At first reading I thought, jeezz, getting hammered the night before a full contact session is madness but then it seems he was just due to do some PR work on the Monday.

 
Re: O/T Tuilagi
Rocker (IP Logged)
08 August, 2017 13:55
Stupid boy. Thing is he's not a young kids anymore. He's an experienced international player and must realise that Jones runs a tight ship. Only got himself to blame really. I wonder if he has a bit of an issue, this one and the police officers involving being out late at night and drinking too much.


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