Quote:COYQ_2017
Success is winnning silverware.
Quote:Cookie
I'm often thought of as his biggest critic
Quote:DazzaS
Win this Saturday and we will be on a good footing for the season.
Quote:Harleys Evil Step Mum
Fantastic result no doubt, but my view hasn't changed about JK. But what I found really odd for a top flight team was how many times IN THE FIRST FIVE MINUTES our No 15 played 9, even Marler did I think a couple of times, and also how Smith was kept out of being first receiver early on......Yarde/Brown both DESPERATE to do something early to ignite the team. All very strange and if my Sons team started like that we (the parents) would be asking what is going on??????
Quote:RingwoodQuin
No one can take the premiership win away from Conor, with JK as head coach, but since then the club development has Been atrocious. J K is now applying his thinking, and recruiting his team. It is too early to criticise. We could have the next Rob Baxter or Dai Jones here for all we know. We still do not have a premiership level hooker, second row, open flanker or no 8, and possibly fly half (though obviously catrikalis and smith are hopefully going to prove to be ). Give the bloke a chance.
Quote:Franski
As players move on they are replaced with those of lesser quality
Quote:Franksi
To me it seem clear that the club does just not have the money to compete and have a top quality squad. For that I cannot blame JK.
Quote:MrOther
We've become inured to the unacceptable fact of our own mediocrity.
Look at the man, listen to him. He simply isn't a DoR worthy of Quins. Is it a lack of imagination or courage on the part of the powers that be, or is it that they cannot afford better?
Quote:Quinky KinQuote:MrOther
We've become inured to the unacceptable fact of our own mediocrity.
Look at the man, listen to him. He simply isn't a DoR worthy of Quins. Is it a lack of imagination or courage on the part of the powers that be, or is it that they cannot afford better?
May I therefore suggest we recruit Pierre Trudeau? He seems to be the poster boy that everyone admires these days.
Quote:Quinky KinQuote:MrOther
We've become inured to the unacceptable fact of our own mediocrity.
Look at the man, listen to him. He simply isn't a DoR worthy of Quins. Is it a lack of imagination or courage on the part of the powers that be, or is it that they cannot afford better?
There is a saying that you're only as good as your last game. To describe the Wasps win as one of "mediocrity" is a little... let's say "imbecilic".
Nonetheless, clearly you are extremely concerned with how a coach looks and sounds. May I therefore suggest we recruit Pierre Trudeau? He seems to be the poster boy that everyone admires these days. Or how about Jessica Ennis-Hill? Looks great and I'm happy to listen to her all day.
Personally, I am more concerned with how we perform in the league. And if the current standards are maintained and we keep winning, I don't care if JK turns up in a tutu and speaks like Miss Piggy.
Get a grip man.
Quote:CookieQuote:Quinky KinQuote:MrOther
We've become inured to the unacceptable fact of our own mediocrity.
Look at the man, listen to him. He simply isn't a DoR worthy of Quins. Is it a lack of imagination or courage on the part of the powers that be, or is it that they cannot afford better?
May I therefore suggest we recruit Pierre Trudeau? He seems to be the poster boy that everyone admires these days.
A poster boy from the grave? That's quite something. I wonder what Justin makes of it all.
Quote:Quinky KinQuote:CookieQuote:Quinky KinQuote:MrOther
We've become inured to the unacceptable fact of our own mediocrity.
Look at the man, listen to him. He simply isn't a DoR worthy of Quins. Is it a lack of imagination or courage on the part of the powers that be, or is it that they cannot afford better?
May I therefore suggest we recruit Pierre Trudeau? He seems to be the poster boy that everyone admires these days.
A poster boy from the grave? That's quite something. I wonder what Justin makes of it all.
Silly me! That's the chap! Not that keen on him personally, but ladies do seem to swoon a bit.
Quote:Bedfordshire BoyQuote:Harleys Evil Step Mum
Fantastic result no doubt, but my view hasn't changed about JK. But what I found really odd for a top flight team was how many times IN THE FIRST FIVE MINUTES our No 15 played 9, even Marler did I think a couple of times, and also how Smith was kept out of being first receiver early on......Yarde/Brown both DESPERATE to do something early to ignite the team. All very strange and if my Sons team started like that we (the parents) would be asking what is going on??????
Once by Brown and once by Marler by my count, but let`s not be picky.
Quote:MrOther
We've become inured to the unacceptable fact of our own mediocrity...These men should never have been appointed and we only stand a chance of winning things with someone else at the helm.
Slowly but surely we are becoming accustomed to mid-table nothingness and the present DoR is the perfect symbol for what's happening, as well as being symptom/cause. It's simply embarrassing.
Quote:SiBolton
DOK! That's the best summing up I've read
Spot on
Quote:RodneyRegis
Those are very interesting numbers, although I'd contend that counting wigglesworth as a capped player on the same level as Mike Brown is a little unbalanced. Surely it's the quality of the players right now which is important here. Current tier one internationals/squad members would be the pertinent numbers.
Quote:SiBolton
DOK! That's the best summing up I've read
Spot on
Quote:Nev's Left Boot
There are only 2 (3) trophies to win. So if you are judging JK on winning a comp, then the odds are stacked against.
I'd rather we played a certain way, were competitive in all aspects, showed improvement and developed - let the winning take care of itself.
Quote:Bolly-Quin
TS86: if our "old" players can continue to play like this (as they used to) then I am sure we can wait for the newcomers to slot in when fit...
Quote:poorfourQuote:RodneyRegis
Those are very interesting numbers, although I'd contend that counting wigglesworth as a capped player on the same level as Mike Brown is a little unbalanced. Surely it's the quality of the players right now which is important here. Current tier one internationals/squad members would be the pertinent numbers.
The trouble with that is that it throws up all sorts of questions about where to draw the line. To give a few examples:
Alex Goode is at his playing peak, but he's out of international favour. Does he count?
Isiekwe and Collier both have one or two caps, but are at different stages of their careers and the likelihood of future caps is probably quite different. Do they both count, or neither?
Buchanan and Marchant were named in the summer tour squad but withdrew through injury. Do we count them?
Nick Evans wasn't a current International from the moment he joined us - but he was still one of the top 3 global fly halves. At what point did he stop being international class?
Robshaw and Brown got early caps, and then nothing for years. What was their status in the wilderness years?
The end of Robshaw's international career is predicted with every new series. If it does happen sooner rather than later, does that make him any less valuable for Quins?
Easter wasn't a current international from 2011 to 2015. But for a decent chunk of that he was the form No 8 in the AP.
You could even argue that the guys out of favour or with a couple of caps are more valuable to a team than current regular internationals. Sarries probably wouldn't swap Goode, available all year, for Brown, missing for the AIs and 6N.
Quote:poorfour
Alex Goode is at his playing peak...
Quote:RodneyRegis
And if you think Joe Gray is as valuable to ours as Joe Marler then I'm equally dumfounded.
Quote:DazzaS
Only thing I am unsure of with JK is his interview style, he is clearly not comfortable in front of the camera.
Quote:poorfourQuote:RodneyRegis
And if you think Joe Gray is as valuable to ours as Joe Marler then I'm equally dumfounded.
Where do you think I said that then?
All I said is that if you only count "current" internationals you end up with difficulties defining what a current international is, and that discounting the value of some players just because they weren't current internationals is a bit silly.
All I'm really trying to point out is that it's an inexact science. Like most things, you can't draw sharp lines.
Our squad in 2011-12 had, what, a bunch of Saxons and one cap wonders, Danny and Ugo on the fringes of the squad and (by your definition) a has-been 10 in Nick Evans. It was demonstrably the best squad in England that year. The next year, largely the same squad had more caps between them, but less success. It didn't make them less valuable as players.
Quote:RodneyRegis
I think the wasps game can put the transition argument to bed.