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HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
20 September, 2017 17:01
Highlights from their game on Saturday are here

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Also, our game against Sarries at homer is a double header with the ladies playing them also.

 
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Mancquin (IP Logged)
20 September, 2017 17:42
I never watch women playing rugby at any level.

 
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HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
20 September, 2017 17:47
Prob not the thread for you then!!

 
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blucherquin (IP Logged)
20 September, 2017 18:21
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I never watch women playing rugby at any level.

Brilliant. I don't like mushrooms. Next irrelevant comment?

 
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Fearless Fred (IP Logged)
20 September, 2017 18:27
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I never watch women playing rugby at any level.

Brilliant. I don't like mushrooms. Next irrelevant comment?

I can't swim.

 
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Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
20 September, 2017 19:04
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Mancquin
I never watch women playing rugby at any level.

You might learn something - try it!

 
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NicoWilson (IP Logged)
20 September, 2017 19:53
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I never watch women playing rugby at any level.

Brilliant. I don't like mushrooms. Next irrelevant comment?

I can't swim.

I can't speak Japanese

 
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D-Quins (IP Logged)
20 September, 2017 19:55
Hi Mancquin,

I would recommend you do. While not as fast or Physical as the premiership (I would still not like being on the end of some of the tackles), the line run by some of the women I have watched would teach some of the Quins men's team a thing or two


Regards


D-Quins

 
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Quin Kong (IP Logged)
20 September, 2017 21:51
No due to hype.

Yes due to an interesting contest.

So I'll make my mind up on the day, not due to gender or colour of shirt.



QUIN KONG

 
Re: Quins Women
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 11:03
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Hi Mancquin,
I would recommend you do. While not as fast or Physical as the premiership (I would still not like being on the end of some of the tackles), the line run by some of the women I have watched would teach some of the Quins men's team a thing or two


Regards


D-Quins
Perhaps the lines are more eye-catching due to weaker defence? I'm sure you'd say the same if you watched 3rd division rugby, which is probably a similar level.

 
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Fearless Fred (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 11:31
That intercept by Myers at 65mins for the try is very Visser-like!

 
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Mancquin (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 17:36
EJ in The Times last week defined Rugby as a power game with some skill involved. Well women lack the power to play a power game. Ditto women's tennis but conversely a skills based game does have a different appeal.

 
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Mayor West (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 17:42
I take it that you didn't watch the women's World Cup then Manquin. I would say the only weakness if there is one is the kicking from the T. Women's rugby is just as good as the men's but I guess you will never know.
Incidentally, Quins were still missing around 17 of their internationals for that game against Wasps.

 
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RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 17:54
Is 3rd division rugby "just as good as the men's"? Do you watch lots of 3rd division rugby? If not, why not? Presumably if it's just as good then the players could walk into a premiership side?

 
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Mayor West (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 18:07
Don't be silly Rodney it's all relative. I don't think you watch any of the women's games either. The commitment and skill is on par. They don't drop the ball all the time or shirk tackles. It would be interesting to see how a third division side did against the double or is it triple winning Quins Ladies. That won't happen so we will never know. Try watching some games.

 
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Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 18:18
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RodneyRegis
Is 3rd division rugby "just as good as the men's"? Do you watch lots of 3rd division rugby? If not, why not? Presumably if it's just as good then the players could walk into a premiership side?

Dorking RFC. The England ladies are better!

 
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blucherquin (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 20:13
Tried this before on a thread on women's rugby...will try again...

If you're a male traditional rugby fan (and I'm probably one, although I think the anorak scale goes way higher than me, the age scale certainly does, as does the "it was better in the old days" scale...), women's rugby may well not appeal to you - but comparing it to the men's game is missing the point.

I had some dealings with people doing a study on women's sport recently.

Here's what I was told

1) women lack a large number of sporting role models
2) women's sports are significantly underrepresented in the media
3) women report not feeling that sport is a career they'd think about
4) women are still socialised to feel that sports "events" and following s team are more a thing that boys/men do than women - and many feel they wouldn't feel welcome (that doesn't mean they've experienced it, just that's how they feel)

The women's World Cup for example, saw a huge proportion of tickets sold to women, and young women in particular - as well as getting high profile coverage - 2 million viewers for final, lots of press and the front page of Rugby World etc.

So regarding it as not as good as men's elite sport is thinking about it the wrong way - it's an elite sport for women - and helping inspire women and young women in particular to think about sport as something they can either play or go to watch.

That reads far more pompously than is in my head - point is I guess for me, it seems to be a good new thing - even if it's not a thing for me. Maybe people will watch that who never come to the Stoop, then maybe they'll do that too.

 
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Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 20:54
Well put, BlucherQ.

 
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RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 22:06
Relative to What? Their opponents? Of course. Just like 3rd division rugby.

 
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Scaramouche (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 01:03
If you get the girls interested then they become Mums (not always I understand) then their children will hopefully have a greater affinity for our wonderful game and it's ethos and values. It's all about breaking down "male" bastions and becoming a much more inclusive sport. Why wouldn't you want to offer competitive sport as an alternative to some of the evils that modern society presents?



Illegitimi non carborundum

 
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blucherquin (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 02:04
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Relative to What? Their opponents? Of course. Just like 3rd division rugby.

Huh?

 
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Mayor West (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 08:55
No Rodney, relative to the difference between men and women which is why sports are split into men's and women's competitions. For example. Are the women tennis players any less skilled than the men? No but you wouldn't play them against each other.

 
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GP2110 (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 09:09
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No Rodney, relative to the difference between men and women which is why sports are split into men's and women's competitions. For example. Are the women tennis players any less skilled than the men? No but you wouldn't play them against each other.

Absolutely less skilled! The standard in men's tennis is incredible

 
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RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 09:15
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Mayor West
No Rodney, relative to the difference between men and women which is why sports are split into men's and women's competitions. For example. Are the women tennis players any less skilled than the men? No but you wouldn't play them against each other.

Well, they have played each other. The usual thinking is that the top ranked women would need to look to the mid-300s to find a male professional they would have a chance against. You're saying that's nothing to do with skill level?

 
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T-Bone (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 09:43
I was reading somewhere, or maybe heard on a podcast, that the women's game is struggling to get female fans to go along and watch, and that a large number of the spectators giving it a try are male, which I found interesting. So apparently a large battle they face is trying to convince women that it is something they'd like to go along and watch rather than whatever else it is they might be doing on the weekend.

Not really trying to make a point, just found it interesting, as often male fans get accused it not giving the women's game the respect it deserves and not giving it a try, when it would seem the greater issue is trying to convince female fans to give it a watch.

I must say, it's not really for me, but I imagine they really couldn't care less, and am very happy to admit that a division 10 female rugby player would be better than I ever was

 
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le tiss (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 10:55
I was actually really surprised and impressed by both the physicality and skill set on show during the recent ladies world cup final (exc place kicking as mentioned above). They deserve respect and encouragement from fellow sports enthusiasts. Some of the comments above are just based on tired out of date stereotypes.

 
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Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 11:55
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No Rodney, relative to the difference between men and women which is why sports are split into men's and women's competitions. For example. Are the women tennis players any less skilled than the men? No but you wouldn't play them against each other.

Absolutely less skilled! The standard in men's tennis is incredible

The mens game is faster; the Ladies have just as much skill and have just as deft a touch.

 
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RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 12:25
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No Rodney, relative to the difference between men and women which is why sports are split into men's and women's competitions. For example. Are the women tennis players any less skilled than the men? No but you wouldn't play them against each other.

Absolutely less skilled! The standard in men's tennis is incredible

The mens game is faster; the Ladies have just as much skill and have just as deft a touch.

Just no.

 
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T-Bone (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 14:52
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No Rodney, relative to the difference between men and women which is why sports are split into men's and women's competitions. For example. Are the women tennis players any less skilled than the men? No but you wouldn't play them against each other.

Absolutely less skilled! The standard in men's tennis is incredible

The mens game is faster; the Ladies have just as much skill and have just as deft a touch.

Just no.

Have to side with RR here. I've watched a lot of women's rugby, and cricket for that matter, not that it's relevant. It's come on leaps and bounds, but still not that good really. About ten years ago there was a women's game after a Quins game at the Stoop and I think the opposition were Swedish, and it was rubbish. It's so much better than that now. But the overall standard is still poor compared to the men's game.

I guess it depends what you want. I grew up near Marlow. I could have supported Marlow, but first rugby I saw was 6N on TV and Middlesex 7s when you used to get the stars, so wanted to watch top level, so turned to the nearest "top" club, which was any of the London ones, and chose Quins. I was never that interested in lower level rugby as a spectator.

My father never supported a "top" club, just the clubs he played for. My girlfriend's family support Nuneaton, as their local club. not interested really in supporting a Prem club. It's the same thing as far as I', concerned. I don't follow women's rugby as it's not top level. Others do, and I'm sure enjoy the spectacle and day out just the dame as I do a day yt the stoop.

For those who do, great, enjoy. Having watched a fair bit on TV and live, I know the standard has improved massively, but don't have a go at those who don't. To say the skill level and standard is comparable is wrong and disingenuous. I'm sure the commitment level is the same, perhaps greater, but just because some of us don't want to watch a lower standard of rugby does not mean you can accuse of us of outdated, misogynistic views.

 
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Mancquin (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 17:36
+1

 
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Mayor West (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 19:37
Yes Rodney I am saying it's nothing to do with skill level. Men are more powerful than women ,not more skilful. Why don't you detractors try watching top level women's rugby. I know you won't because you have preconceived ideas and prejudices.
I have been to several England women's games and can tell you that the crowd is very much female based.

 
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blucherquin (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 21:17
blimey it's a good job some of you weren't around when women wanted the vote - mind you looking st some of the old one-eyed bores at the Stoop, I'm not sure that you weren't....



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 22/09/2017 21:19 by blucherquin.

 
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DOK (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 21:40
Well, I was just thinking (painful I know) ... I started watching Harlequins in the mid 90s. I wonder how poor that team was in comparison with the ladies these days? Pretty poor I'd guess. They trained on a Thursday night (unless you were Andy Harriman) and played on the Saturday. No nutrition, training, weights, health, etc...

 
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never sleep (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 22:09
All that I know is that Emily Scarret is one hell of a player. I wish she played for Quins. Also, i agree with the point made about kicking from the tee. however, favourite player I is from sarries. Vicky Fleetwood.i wish she joined Quins too

 
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RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
23 September, 2017 00:21
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blimey it's a good job some of you weren't around when women wanted the vote - mind you looking st some of the old one-eyed bores at the Stoop, I'm not sure that you weren't....

This is exactly what t-bone is talking about. Pathetic. It's not sexist to say that the England women's rugby team is not as skilled as the men's, it's simple fact.

 
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Mayor West (IP Logged)
23 September, 2017 06:40
How do you know this Rodney as you don't watch women's rugby. Test cricket isn't a sport it's just standing around in a field for five days sometimes four where you can score a thousand runs more than the other team and still not win. Any sport where you stop for meal breaks is a pastime not a sport. I know this because I don't watch any cricket.

 
Re: Quins Women
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
23 September, 2017 07:10
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never sleep
All that I know is that Emily Scarret is one hell of a player. I wish she played for Quins. Also, i agree with the point made about kicking from the tee. however, favourite player I is from sarries. Vicky Fleetwood.i wish she joined Quins too

Do you mean Quins ladies?

 
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never sleep (IP Logged)
23 September, 2017 10:04
i'll get back to you on that after today's game

 
Re: Quins Women
raedarius (IP Logged)
23 September, 2017 10:27
Judging the game on these highlights alone is misleading. What you don't see on the video is that, while the Quins tries were for the most part more "flair", the Wasps tries were more based on physicality and rumbling along (and primarily downhill - downhill beat uphill 53-17 with Wasps scoring all but three points downhill) which Quins struggled to defend against. The difference in style between the two teams was pretty clear, more so than between any two current premiership male teams, but that's a reflection of the stage of development of the women's game.

In terms of capability, Quins looked not far off the England team from the World Cup Final at The Stoop seven or so years ago, which in turn is a fair way off the England of today.

This is about building capability and improvement. It's a way behind the male game, but heading in a good direction. Needs people to support it though - the attendance was pathetic.


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