Quote:T-Bone
Jammy, I assume you didn't watch the match as it was dire. people near me were despairing at the awful quality
Quote:Jammy Git
That honestly feels a bizarre reaction. It was a great game of rugby that Quins contributed heavily to. We were committed and aggressive. Yes, there were some mistakes and some poor bits of play but that was a cracking match and considering the carnage in terms of injury it's not really a surprise it all got a bit madcap in the final quarter.
Calling those tries flukes is just weird, though.
Quote:RodneyRegisQuote:Jammy Git
That honestly feels a bizarre reaction. It was a great game of rugby that Quins contributed heavily to. We were committed and aggressive. Yes, there were some mistakes and some poor bits of play but that was a cracking match and considering the carnage in terms of injury it's not really a surprise it all got a bit madcap in the final quarter.
Calling those tries flukes is just weird, though.
Well if contributing to games is now the benchmark then great...
Quote:akb1
Was a great game of rugby shame we lost we need to sort out our defence
Quote:Fursty
Given that responsibility now lies with the defender not to make contact with the head how did Jonny May get away with smashing Yarde in the face when's he chipped through?
Quote:Jammy Git
Yarde got scragged from behind, and ended up getting smashed. However I do think he bears _some_ responsibility, I'm not sure it was totally innocent.
Quote:Fursty
Thanks Jammy - only saw it live as couldn't see the big screen, I know he wasn't going for the tackle but once you're in the air you're out of control and so should be held responsible for what part of the opponent you make contact with
Quote:Quinky KinQuote:Jammy Git
Yarde got scragged from behind, and ended up getting smashed. However I do think he bears _some_ responsibility, I'm not sure it was totally innocent.
Why do incidents like this remind me of Luamanu, and his tackle on a guy who fell into it?
Quote:Quinky KinQuote:Fursty
Thanks Jammy - only saw it live as couldn't see the big screen, I know he wasn't going for the tackle but once you're in the air you're out of control and so should be held responsible for what part of the opponent you make contact with
Especially when you put you forearm into the other player's face.
Quote:Rocker
Looked bad in real time live, less bad but not good still on replay. Still confused about the knock ons that weren't but were and the one's that were but weren't.... I must admit I am a very frustrated supporter again today. Poor defence, mullered (not entirely legally) in the scrums and yet again a lack of control and clear thinking when under pressure. I think we need a head shrinker more than anything else.
Quote:Jammy GitQuote:Quinky KinQuote:Jammy Git
Yarde got scragged from behind, and ended up getting smashed. However I do think he bears _some_ responsibility, I'm not sure it was totally innocent.
Why do incidents like this remind me of Luamanu, and his tackle on a guy who fell into it?
I don't know. I do that Luamanu charged up to make a tackle - Veianu didn't and wasn't making a tackle. Yarde ran into him.
I think it was worth a closer look in terms of what Veianu did with his elbow but comparing it to a massive hit gone wrong doesn't really help.
Quote:Rocker
Looked bad in real time live, less bad but not good still on replay. Still confused about the knock ons that weren't but were and the one's that were but weren't.... I must admit I am a very frustrated supporter again today. Poor defence, mullered (not entirely legally) in the scrums and yet again a lack of control and clear thinking when under pressure. I think we need a head shrinker more than anything else.
Quote:Robertquin
He was simply doing whatever he could to prevent Yarde regaining the ball.
Quote:Oh here we go again...Dibden
If Deano or Baxter were our coach would we be where we are?Or would they get a lot more out of the players?To me the answer is a resounding yes
Quote:Cookie
Positives:
Smith (controlled everything)
Luamanu (again)
Clifford (much improved)
Alofa (no rust - see Swiel)
Negatives:
Hookers/linout (again)
Swiel (even if rust a factor)
Scrummaging (although unusual)
Back row cover (why have we not signed cover for Wallace/Bothma/Chis - had 3 locks on the pitch for a long period)
Lewis/Mulchrone (seemingly can't be trusted with any minutes at all)
In summary, a couple of key decisions and injuries went against us. On Veianu, watch him immediately go to Yarde after contact to apologise/see how he was as he knew he'd caught him. Definite penalty and yellow for me.
No need to get too exorcised about this one for reasons above. You'd like to win these ones, but sometimes they go against you. Largely played well with a couple of issues that can be fixed.
Quote:Quinten Poulsen
Another positive was Horwill - an excellent game from him.
Quote:Mayor West
The commentators said that there should have been a yellow for the lazy runner catching the ball that gave us the penalty that Danny scored from. Coles was a nailed on yellow but nothing. The only yellows in the end were for Genge and Will which I thought was harsh on Will as I'm pretty sure it was Genge causing the problem. Frustrating as you know that if a Quins player had committed these offences they WO ULD get a yellow.
Quote:talkshowhost86
Two wins and two defeats.
One shocking performance and one excellent performance.
Consistently inconsistent.
6th in the league.
The more things change the more they stay the same eh?
Quote:DOKQuote:talkshowhost86
Two wins and two defeats.
One shocking performance and one excellent performance.
Consistently inconsistent.
6th in the league.
The more things change the more they stay the same eh?
If you very carefully ignore the fact we beat Wasps away, with all that entails, then yes, look what you can prove with carefully cherry picked statistics!
Quote:DOKQuote:talkshowhost86
Two wins and two defeats.
One shocking performance and one excellent performance.
Consistently inconsistent.
6th in the league.
The more things change the more they stay the same eh?
If you very carefully ignore the fact we beat Wasps away, with all that entails, then yes, look what you can prove with carefully cherry picked statistics!
Quote:talkshowhost86Quote:DOKQuote:talkshowhost86
Two wins and two defeats.
One shocking performance and one excellent performance.
Consistently inconsistent.
6th in the league.
The more things change the more they stay the same eh?
If you very carefully ignore the fact we beat Wasps away, with all that entails, then yes, look what you can prove with carefully cherry picked statistics!
Except that I didn’t ignore the Wasps win at all.
I specifically mentioned it in fact.
Quote:Dark Pies
- Care, Brown and Robshaw all showing signs of being past their peak form. Still all class, but have not got the x-factor or hunger they all had 5yrs ago.
Quote:Quinky KinQuote:Dark Pies
- Care, Brown and Robshaw all showing signs of being past their peak form. Still all class, but have not got the x-factor or hunger they all had 5yrs ago.
Really? I agree with some of your other points, but Robshaw... for me, he doesn't seem to EVER lose form or fitness. I think it was the LI game where he dropped the ball at a ruck and it seemed a huge error simply because he doesn't seem to make any normally. Care seems fizzing again (maybe due to not being captain); Brown is fired up again and showing positives - not the force of nature that he used to be, but still as hungry as ever.
Quote:Quinky KinQuote:Dark Pies
- Care, Brown and Robshaw all showing signs of being past their peak form. Still all class, but have not got the x-factor or hunger they all had 5yrs ago.
Really? I agree with some of your other points, but Robshaw... for me, he doesn't seem to EVER lose form or fitness. I think it was the LI game where he dropped the ball at a ruck and it seemed a huge error simply because he doesn't seem to make any normally. Care seems fizzing again (maybe due to not being captain); Brown is fired up again and showing positives - not the force of nature that he used to be, but still as hungry as ever.