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With Wallace (season), Bothma (2-3 months) and Chis (indefinitely) out for long periods and Robbo & Jack off to England duties soon, why on earth have we not signed any cover?
Playing a quarter of the game with Ben Glyn at 6 yesterday was a big part of why we lost (and that's not to have a go at him - it's not his fault). If Robshaw had gone down earlier, the game wouldn't have been close.
And it's not a salary cap question as there are provisions made for replacing players out for long periods.
Playing a quarter of the game with Ben Glyn at 6 yesterday was a big part of why we lost (and that's not to have a go at him - it's not his fault). If Robshaw had gone down earlier, the game wouldn't have been close.
And it's not a salary cap question as there are provisions made for replacing players out for long periods.
I agree. Amazed we haven't found an injury replacement for Wallace.
Because we have the tightest CEO in the league...
Does anybody actually believe that replacements are not being looked in to?
I don't think anyone would have reasonably predicted that Clifford would be called up again so soon. He's only there because of injury and because he's had a mammoth start to the season. He won't play in the England games, further injuries aside.
I thought the club just said that Chisholm Jr. Would be back in a few weeks?
I thought the club just said that Chisholm Jr. Would be back in a few weeks?
This was a debate for weeks ago, though.
August 12th is when we knew Wallace was out for the season while at the same time Chis was struggling with concussion. That's almost 6 weeks ago. Since then we've picked up another longer term injury (Bothma, which itself was 3 weeks ago).
So in answer to BB's question, if they are, they're doing it very slowly. I'm more inclined to agree with The Clown.
August 12th is when we knew Wallace was out for the season while at the same time Chis was struggling with concussion. That's almost 6 weeks ago. Since then we've picked up another longer term injury (Bothma, which itself was 3 weeks ago).
So in answer to BB's question, if they are, they're doing it very slowly. I'm more inclined to agree with The Clown.
Point taken but just like you I have no idea how these things work in practice and how many players are out there kicking their heels and if their clubs are willing to release them.
Agreed it will be harder now the season has started.
I'd like to see if we could get Ben McCalman in from the disbanded Western Force.
I'd like to see if we could get Ben McCalman in from the disbanded Western Force.
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Does anybody actually believe that replacements are not being looked in to?
We never get medical jokers.
Molenaar was a Medical joker, I believe. He turned out to be a shrewd call-up. I'd posit that the club aren't choosing to go without cover, but as BB has said, at this point in the global calendar, available cover may not be the easiest to find.
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Does anybody actually believe that replacements are not being looked in to?
We never get medical jokers.
That's a sweeping statement. And of course, completely wrong.
It's a balance isn't it? - We have a number of young players who play back row Archie White as an example, Stan South another, Cheeseman (although injured a third) - So do you spend money on players that are no better and deny them the chance to play. Having said that, having Glyn & Matthews on the bench seemed very odd - Also odd they didn't have Ward on as BackRow cover.
I firmly believe that if the right player was to come along we would snap them up...
But you guys can keep going on with the conspiracy theories if you like and the 'tight CEO' is the gentleman that has bankrolled the club for an incredibly long time having never made a profit - so perhaps be a little more generous yourself....
Medical Jokers that we never get:
Tyler Gendall
Luc Jones
just two examples from last year and that Aussie back rower??
I firmly believe that if the right player was to come along we would snap them up...
But you guys can keep going on with the conspiracy theories if you like and the 'tight CEO' is the gentleman that has bankrolled the club for an incredibly long time having never made a profit - so perhaps be a little more generous yourself....
Medical Jokers that we never get:
Tyler Gendall
Luc Jones
just two examples from last year and that Aussie back rower??
Was Reddish in as injury cover?
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Molenaar was a Medical joker, I believe. He turned out to be a shrewd call-up. I'd posit that the club aren't choosing to go without cover, but as BB has said, at this point in the global calendar, available cover may not be the easiest to find.
Yeah, that was some time ago.
You guys are all forgetting the epic Paul Sackey for Ross Chisholm injury cover
An inspired piece of business...
Nick Kennedy as Well, who came in and poached a bunch of our players for Irish. Or was he a full signing?
Kennedy was a full signing after Kohn retired.
Ben Glynn is injury cover for Twomey
Sarreis have announced that they're going to get injury cover for Billy V as they now have 3 back row players injured. Currently, if Chris is concussed, we have 4 injured back row players and no further cover beyond young Mr White if we start Clifford, Luamanu and Ward on Saturday.
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Does anybody actually believe that replacements are not being looked in to?
Obviously some do
But you're right of course they are looking,
Speaking to Bothma on Saturday he's hoping for 5/8 weeks before back
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Quote:And Dino Lamb, but agree we aren't in a great place for backrow cover at tge moment.Cairns Family
... no further cover beyond young Mr White if we start Clifford, Luamanu and Ward on Saturday.
As mentioned by CF, Sarries are in a near identical situation and are now going to do something about it.
Let's see how hard they find it to get a replacement on short notice..........
Let's see how hard they find it to get a replacement on short notice..........
I honestly thought we were short in the back row before wallace injured his hip and bothma rebroke his arm. There are the likes of archie white and dino lamb but if they dont make the 23 against tigers, when will they.
Well, there's photos just been tweeted by Quins from the England training camp in Oxford, and Robbo is shown there, so it may mean that he's not as badly injured as we feared.
He tweeted after the game that his head was OK.
He's ok, but if he was knocked out doesn't that mean an automatic 3 weeks out?
Three weeks is recommended for adults without the benefit of private doctors.
Players follow the graduated return to play protocol, which can get them playing within 5 days assuming no further symptoms.
Players follow the graduated return to play protocol, which can get them playing within 5 days assuming no further symptoms.
It does seem v odd unless Chisholm isn't far away form returning and we are being cautious with the injury dispensation money.
Any more injuries and Minty may have to get his boots back on.......
Any more injuries and Minty may have to get his boots back on.......
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He's ok, but if he was knocked out doesn't that mean an automatic 3 weeks out?
That hasn't been true for several years now.
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Don't players have to be out for a minimum 3 months before you can get in an injury replacement of similar quality. Bothma could be back too soon as could Baby Chis. So only Wallace counts.
The way Baby Chis has been talked about in the injury releases makes me think that he's back in training but not yet match fit, in which case he could be very close to returning. A Chris/Cliff/Chis back row would give me much more confidence.
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Don't players have to be out for a minimum 3 months before you can get in an injury replacement of similar quality. Bothma could be back too soon as could Baby Chis. So only Wallace counts.
One would be a start.........
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Does anybody actually believe that replacements are not being looked in to?
Obviously some do
But you're right of course they are looking,
Speaking to Bothma on Saturday he's hoping for 5/8 weeks before back
Sorry to disappoint you both, but Nick Evans told me yesterday we are NOT looking at bringing in any extra players.
Quote:CookieQuote:SiBoltonQuote:Bedfordshire Boy
Does anybody actually believe that replacements are not being looked in to?
Obviously some do
But you're right of course they are looking,
Speaking to Bothma on Saturday he's hoping for 5/8 weeks before back
Sorry to disappoint you both, but Nick Evans told me yesterday we are NOT looking at bringing in any extra players.
So they have looked in to it and decided they are not needed presumably.
Quote:Bedfordshire BoyQuote:CookieQuote:SiBoltonQuote:Bedfordshire Boy
Does anybody actually believe that replacements are not being looked in to?
Obviously some do
But you're right of course they are looking,
Speaking to Bothma on Saturday he's hoping for 5/8 weeks before back
Sorry to disappoint you both, but Nick Evans told me yesterday we are NOT looking at bringing in any extra players.
So they have looked in to it and decided they are not needed presumably.
They're wrong. The way he said it made me think they weren't bothering. Even with Robshaw back next week, Ben Glynn will still be covering the back row, which is absurd.
I thought that Lamb and White dodn't look out of their depth when they came on yesterday.
On a different note, TRP reports that Clifford is out of contract at the end of this season and is being touted around French clubs.
On a different note, TRP reports that Clifford is out of contract at the end of this season and is being touted around French clubs.
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I thought that Lamb and White dodn't look out of their depth when they came on yesterday.
On a different note, TRP reports that Clifford is out of contract at the end of this season and is being touted around French clubs.
By his agent.
Quote:Cookie
As mentioned by CF, Sarries are in a near identical situation and are now going to do something about it.
Let's see how hard they find it to get a replacement on short notice..........
Exactly. And I'd say Sarries are actually in a better position than we are. The lock they're playing out of position is Marco Itoje not Ben Glynn and with Wray and Clark they have two very experienced Premiership players with Ben Earl as a bench option.
Since Wallace was injured Guy Mercer and Olly Robinson have moved to Ospreys and Cardiff Blues. Either of those could have done a decent job for us. Even if Bath hadn't wanted to loan us Mercer, I can't see any reason why Bristol wouldn't have allowed us to borrow Robinson.
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I thought that Lamb and White dodn't look out of their depth when they came on yesterday.
On a different note, TRP reports that Clifford is out of contract at the end of this season and is being touted around French clubs.
By his agent.
Who else would tout him?
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But you guys can keep going on with the conspiracy theories if you like and the 'tight CEO' is the gentleman that has bankrolled the club for an incredibly long time having never made a profit - so perhaps be a little more generous yourself....
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I never knew David Ellis bankrolled the club!! I suspect this is news to many of us.
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I thought that Lamb and White dodn't look out of their depth when they came on yesterday.
On a different note, TRP reports that Clifford is out of contract at the end of this season and is being touted around French clubs.
By his agent.
Who else would tout him?
OK, let me put it another way.
He won't leave, and certainly not to France. his agent is trying to up his renewal offer.
Won't play for England if not in England.
When I read TRP on Sunday my recollection is that Joe Gray and Jack Clifford are out of contract at the end of this season and there has been interest from the Top 14 ( no doubt touted by agents as suggested above),but suggests that while Gray may have his head turned its unlikely that Clifford will as he is trying to consolidate an England place.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/10/2017 12:09 by ChipsteadQuin.
Quote:ChipsteadQuin
When I read TRP on Sunday my recollection is that Joe Gray and Jack Clifford are out of contract at the end of this season and there has been interest from the Top 14 ( no doubt touted by agents as suggested above),but suggests that while Gray may have his head turned its unlikely that Clifford will as he is trying to consolidate an England place.
Yep, that's how I read it. At the moment Jack is some way down the pecking order for England. If that situation improves for him then no doubt he'll stay, at least in England. If he falls down the order, maybe he'll be tempted away. I really hope not, but it's easy to understand the lure of a big pay day in a short career.
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When I read TRP on Sunday my recollection is that Joe Gray and Jack Clifford are out of contract at the end of this season and there has been interest from the Top 14 ( no doubt touted by agents as suggested above),but suggests that while Gray may have his head turned its unlikely that Clifford will as he is trying to consolidate an England place.
Yep, that's how I read it. At the moment Jack is some way down the pecking order for England. If that situation improves for him then no doubt he'll stay, at least in England. If he falls down the order, maybe he'll be tempted away. I really hope not, but it's easy to understand the lure of a big pay day in a short career.
Especially a short career where he's already struggled with concussion.
England age group captain on the fringes of squad though, can't see him going.
Gray is another matter. Good luck to him
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