Quote:Quaking Quin
Stop being rose-tinted.
Whatever Jk or Sinkler say by way of mitigation, the offence was gouging.
7 weeks was lenient. Let's hope Carl and other hot heads learn from the ruling.
Quote:SiBoltonQuote:COYQ_2017
Quote from the BBC from JK ref the 7 week ban for KS -
"Harlequins director of rugby John Kingston said that the club would work with the whole squad to improve discipline."
Let's see if he delivers on this - my expectation is he won't and our discipline will actually get worse.
#JKOut
Is there any thread you can't turn into one about JK?
Don't bother answering
And you've used the same quote on two threads....bravo
Really sorry to see a 7 week ban, but unfortunately inevitable, Hands in face etc
Quote:COYQ_2017
Quote from the BBC from JK ref the 7 week ban for KS -
"Harlequins director of rugby John Kingston said that the club would work with the whole squad to improve discipline."
Let's see if he delivers on this - my expectation is he won't and our discipline will actually get worse.
#JKOut
Quote:COYQ_2017Quote:SiBoltonQuote:COYQ_2017
Quote from the BBC from JK ref the 7 week ban for KS -
"Harlequins director of rugby John Kingston said that the club would work with the whole squad to improve discipline."
Let's see if he delivers on this - my expectation is he won't and our discipline will actually get worse.
#JKOut
Is there any thread you can't turn into one about JK?
Don't bother answering
And you've used the same quote on two threads....bravo
Really sorry to see a 7 week ban, but unfortunately inevitable, Hands in face etc
It's very depressing to see posters like you continue to support such an inappropriate person acting as if he's a DOR of a premiership rugby club. Bravo for such stupidity Si!
Quote:Quaking Quin
Sorry but you are looking from a Quins perspective.
If the charge had been against a Saints forward then the reaction by many on this website would have been very different and taken the higher ground.
Quote:blucherquinQuote:COYQ_2017
Quote from the BBC from JK ref the 7 week ban for KS -
"Harlequins director of rugby John Kingston said that the club would work with the whole squad to improve discipline."
Let's see if he delivers on this - my expectation is he won't and our discipline will actually get worse.
#JKOut
You are such a silly little boy
Quote:blucherquinQuote:Quaking Quin
Sorry but you are looking from a Quins perspective.
If the charge had been against a Saints forward then the reaction by many on this website would have been very different and taken the higher ground.
Nope I�m talking to the other retard who thinks it�s sometting to do with Kingston.
Sinckler is a disgrace.
Quote:Quaking Quin
Stop being rose-tinted.
Whatever Jk or Sinkler say by way of mitigation, the offence was gouging.
7 weeks was lenient. Let's hope Carl and other hot heads learn from the ruling.
Quote:Quaking Quin
Stop being rose-tinted.
Whatever Jk or Sinkler say by way of mitigation, the offence was gouging.
7 weeks was lenient. Let's hope Carl and other hot heads learn from the ruling.
Quote:arqueroo
Typical Battersea thug . Deserves a longer ban than that . Oh he will be avail for autumn internationals, what a surprise
Quote:arqueroo
Typical Battersea thug . Deserves a longer ban than that . Oh he will be avail for autumn internationals, what a surprise
Quote:COYQ_2017Quote:blucherquinQuote:COYQ_2017
Quote from the BBC from JK ref the 7 week ban for KS -
"Harlequins director of rugby John Kingston said that the club would work with the whole squad to improve discipline."
Let's see if he delivers on this - my expectation is he won't and our discipline will actually get worse.
#JKOut
You are such a silly little boy
I'll ignore this very silly comment - there's no need for it.
Quote:T-BoneQuote:blucherquinQuote:Quaking Quin
Sorry but you are looking from a Quins perspective.
If the charge had been against a Saints forward then the reaction by many on this website would have been very different and taken the higher ground.
Nope I�m talking to the other retard who thinks it�s sometting to do with Kingston.
Sinckler is a disgrace.
A disgrace?
Quote:Ayerza wannabe
The rugby powers don't use the term gouging they use the term contact with the eyes. Gouging is just what everyone else uses.
It was contact with eyes so the press can rightly use the term gouge.
Quote:Jammy GitQuote:Ayerza wannabe
The rugby powers don't use the term gouging they use the term contact with the eyes. Gouging is just what everyone else uses.
It was contact with eyes so the press can rightly use the term gouge.
The offence is contact with the eye area - you don't even need to touch the eye.
Gouging is an attempt to hook the fingers into the eyes and put dangerous pressure / scratching on the eyeball. You can rest assured that any player found guilty of that would face a much larger ban.
Quote:Scamble
Rather sums you up
Quote:blucherquinQuote:T-BoneQuote:blucherquinQuote:Quaking Quin
Sorry but you are looking from a Quins perspective.
If the charge had been against a Saints forward then the reaction by many on this website would have been very different and taken the higher ground.
Nope I�m talking to the other retard who thinks it�s sometting to do with Kingston.
Sinckler is a disgrace.
A disgrace?
Well no - mainly angry that the troll wound me up. But I’m not happy with Sinckler and he’s now seriously damaged his reputation.
He’s he lead story in the Times sport as “gouging” - not what I want from a Quins player.
Quote:RleQuin
When will these people learn?
They are paid professional sportsmen - role models to lots of people.
Except they behave like a bunch of kids from school of hard knocks; perhaps Will and Scott can knock some sense into them?
Sinckler needs to grow up and stop acting like a dick!!
Are we now carrying more hurt from the disciplinary hearing to the next game?
RleQ
Quote:Jammy Git
Yeah, sorry guys but if it was "gouging" he'd have copped a far longer ban than that. The offence is as they say it is, and it's an offence for a reason - the face is an absolute no-go area. Kyle's an idiot, he's been an idiot far too often, and he needs to cop on.
There's a lot been spoken about his willingness to learn from others, his upbringing, his attempts to keep his temper in check - this didn't look like a loss of control. It was something a lot more stupid than that. He'd better put that willingness to learn to good use, as he's got plenty of time on his hands now.
Quote:Yes, I'm aware. My point is that it's a catch-all offence that's intended to make going anywhere near the eyes utterly verboten, whether you're actually putting pressure on them / trying to cause damage or not.Ayerza wannabeQuote:Jammy GitQuote:Ayerza wannabe
The rugby powers don't use the term gouging they use the term contact with the eyes. Gouging is just what everyone else uses.
It was contact with eyes so the press can rightly use the term gouge.
The offence is contact with the eye area - you don't even need to touch the eye.
Gouging is an attempt to hook the fingers into the eyes and put dangerous pressure / scratching on the eyeball. You can rest assured that any player found guilty of that would face a much larger ban.
He was accused of contact with the eye/eye area and found guilty of contact with the eye he even accepted the charge of contact with the eye. Gouging is contact with the eyes using fingers it can be a pressing motion aswell as a hook.
Sinckler accepted the charge of contact with the eye and was given a seven week suspension by the independent panel. He is free to play again on the 21 November 2017
[www.premiershiprugby.com]
Quote:Quinky KinQuote:Scamble
Rather sums you up
In ways that you wouldn't understand.
Quote:Not sure Ironsides were mentioned were they ?blucherquinQuote:arqueroo
Typical Battersea thug . Deserves a longer ban than that . Oh he will be avail for autumn internationals, what a surprise
Let’s all hope you mean that you’ve got a longstanding view that Battersea Ironsides are a tough team and play rugby in a way you don’t like.
Quote:ScambleQuote:Quinky KinQuote:Scamble
Rather sums you up
In ways that you wouldn't understand.
I rest my case.
Quote:arqueroo
Typical Battersea thug . Deserves a longer ban than that . Oh he will be avail for autumn internationals, what a surprise
Quote:Ayerza wannabe
The rugby powers don't use the term gouging they use the term contact with the eyes. Gouging is just what everyone else uses.
It was contact with eyes so the press can rightly use the term gouge.
Quote:steddington tomQuote:Not sure Ironsides were mentioned were they ?blucherquinQuote:arqueroo
Typical Battersea thug . Deserves a longer ban than that . Oh he will be avail for autumn internationals, what a surprise
Let’s all hope you mean that you’ve got a longstanding view that Battersea Ironsides are a tough team and play rugby in a way you don’t like.
Quote:DOK
Kyle Sinckler: “I accept the outcome of the hearing and wanted to go on record to say I am sorry that I have let my team mates down, but more importantly I feel terrible that anyone would think I would deliberately gouge an opponent. That was never my intention – it was a genuine mistake and an act of recklessness on my part."
That's exactly how I see it. There's no doubt from the pictures fingers were near eyes - so guilty of the offence. Because intention doesn't enter into it, you can be guilty of the offence and innocent of intention (gouging) at the same time. I totally believe that's what happened.
Quote:Madtyke
Trial by tv commentary yet again. Both ref and TMO couldn't see any evidence of gouging so pen only. No further action required imho.
Quote:NobbyClarkeQuote:Madtyke
Trial by tv commentary yet again. Both ref and TMO couldn't see any evidence of gouging so pen only. No further action required imho.
Not really thinking in terms of player welfare there are we? 7 week ban is a "lucky result" for a player who has (eventually) admitted he was wrong. May not have intended to contact the eye area, but neither did Ashton who got 10 weeks.
Quote:akb1
After pulling off his headgear he very clearly put his hand back into the ruck in the area of where the other guys face was. Now you can say there wasn't any intention to gouge I'll accept that, but what do you think his intention was then? Certainly wasn't to wipe his sweaty brow!
Quote:DOKQuote:akb1
After pulling off his headgear he very clearly put his hand back into the ruck in the area of where the other guys face was. Now you can say there wasn't any intention to gouge I'll accept that, but what do you think his intention was then? Certainly wasn't to wipe his sweaty brow!
Well, to me it looked like he was trying to push scrum cap back over face (guessing here but maybe in a "never touched him guv! It came off on it's own!" kind of way). You can see he still has scrum cap in his paw when his hands go near the eyes. Had he really been going for eyes he'd have dropped it, not be holding it still.
Quote:DOKQuote:akb1
After pulling off his headgear he very clearly put his hand back into the ruck in the area of where the other guys face was. Now you can say there wasn't any intention to gouge I'll accept that, but what do you think his intention was then? Certainly wasn't to wipe his sweaty brow!
Well, to me it looked like he was trying to push scrum cap back over face (guessing here but maybe in a "never touched him guv! It came off on it's own!" kind of way). You can see he still has scrum cap in his paw when his hands go near the eyes. Had he really been going for eyes he'd have dropped it, not be holding it still.
Quote:Mayor West
I'm completely with you on this DOK, I've been getting fed up of listening to broadcasters calling for Sinck to be banned for life for something as disgusting as gouging someone's eyes out! It reminds me of Joe "booting another player in the head" when he brushed his shin against the player. Press sensationalism gives the whole sport a bad name. The number of times I've seen hands rubbed in faces or pushing heads into the turf in rucks or after scrums, by Quins and other teams players, and they all get on with it without telling sir.