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Team's up
akb1 (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 10:50
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Harlequins has announced the squad to play Wasps in Round 2 of the European Rugby Champions Cup, at the Ricoh Arena on Sunday, kick-off 17:30 (live on BT Sport 2).

There is one personnel change to the team that played La Rochelle last week as Joe Gray returns from injury to start at hooker, while Dave Ward moves to openside flanker.

Speaking ahead of the match, Harlequins Director of Rugby, John Kingston said: ďThe defeat to La Rochelle in the opening round has magnified the importance of the game at Wasps this weekend.

ďWe secured victory at the Ricoh Arena last month, however Sundayís match will be a totally different challenge as both teams will be desperate to get their European campaigns up and running.

ďOur preparation has been excellent and we are looking forward to what Iím sure will be an exciting European encounter.Ē

Harlequins team (Harlequins appearances)
15. Mike Brown (285)
14. Marland Yarde (81)
13. Joe Marchant (44)
12. Jamie Roberts (36)
11. Tim Visser (40)
10. Marcus Smith (7)
9. Danny Care (231)

1. Joe Marler (157)
2. Joe Gray (141)
3. Will Collier (114)
4. Charlie Matthews (144)
5. James Horwill (Captain, 45)
6. Chris Robshaw (245)
7. Dave Ward (124)
8. Mat Luamanu (45)

16. Elia Elia (2)
17. Mark Lambert (215)
18. Phil Swainston (3)
19. George Merrick (66)
20. Ben Glynn (6)
21. Dave Lewis (3)
22. Tim Swiel (45)
23. Francis Saili (1)



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Re: Team's up
NicoWilson (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 10:57
Comparing the team with last week: Glynn drops to the bench, and Archie White is out of the 23.

 
Re: Team's up
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 10:58
Think the back row looks mores solid with Ward at 7 and Robshaw at 6.

Other than that I suppose we just hope that some players have learnt how to catch the ball at crucial times during the week, and that others have learnt how to defend.

Any news on the pests lineup?

 
Re: Team's up
Bedfordshire Boy (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 10:59
Difference being of course is the availability of Gray allowing Ward to move to seven, should be competitive.

 
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akb1 (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 11:00
Wasps team to play Harlequins

15. Willie Le Roux
14. Christian Wade
13. Elliot Daly
12. Juan de Jongh
11. Josh Bassett
10. Jimmy Gopperth
9. Dan Robson
1. Matt Mullan
2. Ashley Johnson
3. Jake Cooper-Woolley
4. Joe Launchbury ©
5. Will Rowlands
6. James Haskell
7. Thomas Young
8. Nathan Hughes

16. Antonio (TJ) Harris
17. Simon McIntyre
18. Marty Moore
19. James Gaskell
20. Jack Willis
21. Guy Thompson
22. Joe Simpson
23. Rob Miller
Unavailable for selection:

Guy Armitage, Danny Cipriani, Tom Cruse, Gaby Lovobalavu, Paul Doran-Jones, Kyle Eastmond, Sam Jones, Kearnan Myall, Alex Rieder, Tommy Taylor

 
Re: Team's up
NicoWilson (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 11:01
Upate from the Pests site: Wasps

Wasps team to play Harlequins

Director of Rugby Dai Young has named the Wasps squad to face Harlequins at the Ricoh Arena this Sunday, in round two of the European Rugby Champions Cup, kick-off 5.30pm.

The only change in the backline from last Fridayís match against Ulster sees Juan De Jongh return to fitness to make his European debut, starting alongside Elliot Daly in midfield.

Up front, Ashley Johnson starts at hooker and Antonio TJ Harris is in-line to make both his Wasps and Champions Cup debut from the bench. Tom Cruse is ruled out by a broken thumb sustained against Ulster. There is a welcome return from injury for Guy Thompson, who joins the replacements primed to make an impact from the bench.

Ahead of the European clash against Aviva Premiership rivals, Harlequins, Dai Young said: ďWeíre all really looking forward to returning to the Ricoh Arena to play in front of our Wasps fans after a couple of games on the road against Ulster and Saracens.

ďThis is a massive game for both clubs. Itís two teams going into the weekend knowing how important this match is in the context of Europe. If we donít get the result we want, realistically we will need to do something pretty special in the last four games to qualify. It would be possible, but it would be incredibly difficult and would rely on other results going our way.

ďWe want to get back to winning ways at the Ricoh Arena, in front of our home fans, as quickly as possible and in reality we have to start this Sunday if we really want to make a dent in this European competition.Ē

Wasps team to play Harlequins

15. Willie Le Roux
14. Christian Wade
13. Elliot Daly
12. Juan de Jongh
11. Josh Bassett
10. Jimmy Gopperth
9. Dan Robson
1. Matt Mullan
2. Ashley Johnson
3. Jake Cooper-Woolley
4. Joe Launchbury ©
5. Will Rowlands
6. James Haskell
7. Thomas Young
8. Nathan Hughes

16. Antonio (TJ) Harris
17. Simon McIntyre
18. Marty Moore
19. James Gaskell
20. Jack Willis
21. Guy Thompson
22. Joe Simpson
23. Rob Miller

Unavailable for selection:

Guy Armitage, Danny Cipriani, Tom Cruse, Gaby Lovobalavu, Paul Doran-Jones, Kyle Eastmond, Sam Jones, Kearnan Myall, Alex Rieder, Tommy Taylor

Brendan Macken has been unable to train during the early part of the week following return-to-play protocols after his HIA. Likewise, an Achilles strain has limited Marcus Watsonís training this week. Both miss out on selection, but may be travelling reserves on Sunday.

Supporters' information:

Off the field, there will be an indoor Fan Village for supporters to enjoy in the Ericsson Exhibition Hall from 3:00-5:00pm to allow fans to watch La Rochelle V Ulster Rugby on big screens.

The circus-themed Fan Village will also feature a circus skills workshop, stilt walker, the Local Vocals choir, Godiva Academy of Performing Arts and the usual WIZ, inflatable pitch and lots of other activities for the whole family.

 
Re: Team's up
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 11:04
Hmmmmm. That looks like a stronger Wasps team than when we beat them.

Together with what must be a weaker team on our side that doesn't bode desperately well.

 
Re: Team's up
Kent Fan (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 11:24
Iím very hopeful we can pull off a win. This is the type of one off game when we can click.

If we can go at them the way we did in the league with the niggle / determination on full effect we should do it.

However our discipline needs to also be tightened up as Jimmy & long range Elliot could kick us to death. Their attacking flair from last year seems to have gone so could be down to penalties we concede. We can score tries letís hope they canít.

 
Re: Team's up
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 11:31
I hope Joe has been provided with a water pistol for the breaks in play.



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Re: Team's up
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 11:33
I'm hoping Ashley Johnson doesn't have one of his better games.

Shame to see Ward not playing hooker - his throwing has been very good the past few games. We'll see how much of that is down to Matthews I guess.

 
Re: Team's up
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 11:36
The 3 Joe's are back!



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Re: Team's up
never sleep (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 11:45
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I'm hoping Ashley Johnson doesn't have one of his better games.
Shame to see Ward not playing hooker - his throwing has been very good the past few games. We'll see how much of that is down to Matthews I guess.

That is one thing I never understood. Why can't Ward throw the ball in? (or anyone else?) Why does the designated hooker have to throw it?

 
Re: Team's up
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 12:31
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I'm hoping Ashley Johnson doesn't have one of his better games.
Shame to see Ward not playing hooker - his throwing has been very good the past few games. We'll see how much of that is down to Matthews I guess.

That is one thing I never understood. Why can't Ward throw the ball in? (or anyone else?) Why does the designated hooker have to throw it?

I think it's just tradition. As far as I'm aware there's no law. Historically didn't wingers use to throw in?

 
Re: Team's up
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 13:10
Largely because everyone else has assigned jobs. As the openside, Ward will have his own stuff to look after.



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semper crescis aut decrescis

 
Re: Team's up
PQ2 (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 13:51
Is it just me, or did Ward's throwing-in seem to improve dramatically after he got that biff in the eye..?

I think the club should invest in one of those nets-on-a-stick that La Rochelle were using in their warm-up; just for practice, you understand, not during the game...
(-Oh, I dunno, though..)

 
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Fearless Fred (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 14:05
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I'm hoping Ashley Johnson doesn't have one of his better games.
Shame to see Ward not playing hooker - his throwing has been very good the past few games. We'll see how much of that is down to Matthews I guess.

That is one thing I never understood. Why can't Ward throw the ball in? (or anyone else?) Why does the designated hooker have to throw it?

I think it's just tradition. As far as I'm aware there's no law. Historically didn't wingers use to throw in?

It's the same with the Fly Half being the designated kicker for most teams. With the exception of 1/2p (and Daly for long distance attempts), pretty much every kick is done by the FH (or in Farrells case with England, a FH playing IC). I'd like to see more backs upskilling to be able to provide a kicking option from the tee. We know that DC is pretty nifty with drop goals, why not give him an hour a week with NEv to get some kicking practice in? We know MB has a decent boot too, with some distance on it. Get him to practice a few penalty shots regularly. That way if Smith )or Swiel, Lang, Catrakilis) is having a mare of a game with kicks but otherwise playing well enough to stay on the pitch, we'd have some options...

 
Re: Team's up
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 14:13
Don't get me started on drop goals!!!!



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Re: Team's up
PQ2 (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 14:21
....(Snicking smoothly into Old Shuffler mode), back in the day the goal kicker always used to be the fullback.

...& yes, I can also remember All Blacks wingers throwing in to lines-out. Sideways.

 
Re: Team's up
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 14:32
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I'm hoping Ashley Johnson doesn't have one of his better games.
Shame to see Ward not playing hooker - his throwing has been very good the past few games. We'll see how much of that is down to Matthews I guess.

That is one thing I never understood. Why can't Ward throw the ball in? (or anyone else?) Why does the designated hooker have to throw it?

I think it's just tradition. As far as I'm aware there's no law. Historically didn't wingers use to throw in?

It's the same with the Fly Half being the designated kicker for most teams. With the exception of 1/2p (and Daly for long distance attempts), pretty much every kick is done by the FH (or in Farrells case with England, a FH playing IC). I'd like to see more backs upskilling to be able to provide a kicking option from the tee. We know that DC is pretty nifty with drop goals, why not give him an hour a week with NEv to get some kicking practice in? We know MB has a decent boot too, with some distance on it. Get him to practice a few penalty shots regularly. That way if Smith )or Swiel, Lang, Catrakilis) is having a mare of a game with kicks but otherwise playing well enough to stay on the pitch, we'd have some options...

Goalkicking is a vastly different skill to kicking from hand or even drop goals. There's no indication Brown would be any good at them (and he's not all that accurate out of hand to begin with!).

It's a skill that's partly honed over thousands of hours of repetitive practice and, much like with lineout throwing, people expecting players at the top of the profession to just pick it up and be good enough alternatives to specialists are underplaying things quite dramatically.



O Fortuna, velut luna statu variabilis,
semper crescis aut decrescis

 
Re: Team's up
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 14:41
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I'm hoping Ashley Johnson doesn't have one of his better games.
Shame to see Ward not playing hooker - his throwing has been very good the past few games. We'll see how much of that is down to Matthews I guess.

That is one thing I never understood. Why can't Ward throw the ball in? (or anyone else?) Why does the designated hooker have to throw it?

I think it's just tradition. As far as I'm aware there's no law. Historically didn't wingers use to throw in?

It's the same with the Fly Half being the designated kicker for most teams. With the exception of 1/2p (and Daly for long distance attempts), pretty much every kick is done by the FH (or in Farrells case with England, a FH playing IC). I'd like to see more backs upskilling to be able to provide a kicking option from the tee. We know that DC is pretty nifty with drop goals, why not give him an hour a week with NEv to get some kicking practice in? We know MB has a decent boot too, with some distance on it. Get him to practice a few penalty shots regularly. That way if Smith )or Swiel, Lang, Catrakilis) is having a mare of a game with kicks but otherwise playing well enough to stay on the pitch, we'd have some options...

Goalkicking is a vastly different skill to kicking from hand or even drop goals. There's no indication Brown would be any good at them (and he's not all that accurate out of hand to begin with!).

It's a skill that's partly honed over thousands of hours of repetitive practice and, much like with lineout throwing, people expecting players at the top of the profession to just pick it up and be good enough alternatives to specialists are underplaying things quite dramatically.

All true but this did all start by asking why our number 7, who is actually a hooker, couldn't actually throw the ball in? (admittedly you know it's got weird when we actively WANT Ward to be the one throwing in).

I don't think any of us want to see Charlie Matthews suddenly launching the arrows.

 
Re: Team's up
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 14:46
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It's a skill that's partly honed over thousands of hours of repetitive practice and, much like with lineout throwing, people expecting players at the top of the profession to just pick it up and be good enough alternatives to specialists are underplaying things quite dramatically.

That bit's worth repeating.

 
Re: Team's up
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 14:47
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All true but this did all start by asking why our number 7, who is actually a hooker, couldn't actually throw the ball in?

As someone pointed out he can throw in. It's just that Gray is much better at it.

 
Re: Team's up
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 14:55
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All true but this did all start by asking why our number 7, who is actually a hooker, couldn't actually throw the ball in?

As someone pointed out he can throw in. It's just that Gray is much better at it.

I would have agreed not that long ago but Gray has been out of sorts for a while now and Ward has been better this year, particularly against La Rochelle.

It does all rather confirm our need for a properly well-rounded hooker though.

 
Re: Team's up
New Forest Quin (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 16:42
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All true but this did all start by asking why our number 7, who is actually a hooker, couldn't actually throw the ball in?

As someone pointed out he can throw in. It's just that Gray is much better at it.

I would have agreed not that long ago but Gray has been out of sorts for a while now and Ward has been better this year, particularly against La Rochelle.

It does all rather confirm our need for a properly well-rounded hooker though.

100% v Sale and one missed v La Rochelle, which was the overthrown one right at the end of the 1st half.

 
Re: Team's up
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 15:10
I hope the ref is better than this joke in the Saints v Clermont game.

Properly farcical.

 
Re: Team's up
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 15:10
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I hope the ref is better than this joke in the Saints v Clermont game.
Properly farcical.

Almost as funny as the sound guy not turning off the pundit mics during the half-time banter...

 
Re: Team's up
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 15:17
Fantastic try at the start of the second half though.

 
Re: Team's up
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 15:48
‚ÄúDo you have a hooker to bring on?!‚ÄĚ

‚ÄúNo mate you sent him off‚ÄĚ

 
Re: Team's up
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 15:39
Not sure how the TJ missed the foot in touch by Day. What exactly was he looking at?

 
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talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 15:56
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Not sure how the TJ missed the foot in touch by Day. What exactly was he looking at?

And now a blatant red for Slimani missed.

Joke officiating from start to finish.

In other news I hope Lopez is okay. That was a horrible injury.

 
Re: Team's up
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 15:57
Also Northampton are absolute bobbins.

 
Re: Team's up
Hellequin (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 15:46
At least he is poor for both teams.

Most annoying thing for me so far has been the suggestion that Lawes should be start at 6 for England. Given that Robshaw has been in great form and attracted praise why would you want to replace him with someone playing out of position.

 
Re: Team's up
TitusQuin (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 16:00
Robshaw hasn't had his best start to a season. Does what Robshaw always does in terms of workmate but although he has never been the most destructive carrier he is even less so it seems. I don't think Eddie will drop him as he has said but Lawes is playing very well at 6 and I like the look of Underhill and Curry so he may not play every game.

 
Re: Team's up
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 16:07
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Not sure how the TJ missed the foot in touch by Day. What exactly was he looking at?

And now a blatant red for Slimani missed.

Joke officiating from start to finish.

In other news I hope Lopez is okay. That was a horrible injury.

Yes, that was a nasty break. Could be out for a long time.

 
Re: Team's up
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 20:53
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Robshaw hasn't had his best start to a season. Does what Robshaw always does in terms of workmate but although he has never been the most destructive carrier he is even less so it seems. I don't think Eddie will drop him as he has said but Lawes is playing very well at 6 and I like the look of Underhill and Curry so he may not play every game.

Are you serious?



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Re: Team's up
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 22:33
I understand exactly where he's coming from - Robshaw had a couple of v quiet games by his standard, but I think he's back up to speed now.



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semper crescis aut decrescis

 
Re: Team's up
Banstead Quin (IP Logged)
22 October, 2017 08:13
100% v Sale and one missed v La Rochelle, which was the overthrown one right at the end of the 1st half.[/quote]

Yes but that one against La Rochelle was an attacking scrum 5 metres out. I like Ward as well but his (and Buchananís) throwing under pressure is rubbish. Gray used to be good at that, letís hope he still is?

 
Re: Team's up
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
22 October, 2017 15:02
Three late changes.

Swainston and Lamb in for Collier and Merrick and Yarde dropped for ‚Äėinternal disciplinary reasons‚Äô

Another great stride in our season!

 
Re: Team's up
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
22 October, 2017 14:53
Swainston sad smiley

 
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Rugby Convert (IP Logged)
22 October, 2017 15:03
I wonder what Yarde's has done to get a disciplinary hearing from the club. Must be something pretty serious to miss out such a crucial game.

 
Re: Team's up
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
22 October, 2017 15:40
I think they apply the same sanction regardless of the status of the match(es) a player would miss, but yeah, gotta assume it's fairly serious.



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semper crescis aut decrescis

 
Re: Team's up
DOK (IP Logged)
22 October, 2017 23:21
I'd rather the club applies sanctions regardless of their impact than try to shilly shally the punishment according to the need of the club at that time.

 
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Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
23 October, 2017 08:17
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I'd rather the club applies sanctions regardless of their impact than try to shilly shally the punishment according to the need of the club at that time.

Agreed. Memories of dropping Andy Harriman for a cup final spring to mind...

 
Re: Team's up
DOK (IP Logged)
23 October, 2017 18:37
And they brought in a rule you couldn't play Saturday if you hadn't turned up for training Thursday - that was another one especially for Harriman.


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