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Re: Yarde off to Sale
Hellequin (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 16:19
The other problem with this is how many wingers does this leave us with.
In a way we are lucky Visser hasn't been selected for Scotland, after him and Walker who are we left with?

Is Alofa Alofa a Winger that we play at centre or a centre we play as a winger?

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 16:20
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Fursty
Never been a popular member off the squad with rest of the players and with good reason - good riddance.

Is that perception or genuine knowledge? Not nit-picking, just interested.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Flumpty (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 16:20
I hope that he makes whatever grovelling apologies he has to make to his teammates, management, bus driver, tea lady at Harlequins and stays with you



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 28/10/2017 20:10 by Flumpty.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 16:29
Quote:
Hellequin
The other problem with this is how many wingers does this leave us with.
In a way we are lucky Visser hasn't been selected for Scotland, after him and Walker who are we left with?

Is Alofa Alofa a Winger that we play at centre or a centre we play as a winger?

Visser
Walker
Alofa
Chishom

Plus we have Cheeseman and Ibitoye (who I think is very good) in the academy, but I beleive both are currently injured (unsure how badly). We also have Mickalcius and Sam AR but am pretty sure both are out for the season.

Marchant played wing for London Scottish on DR and I think Morris can play there also

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Fursty (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 16:48
Quote:
Quinky Kin
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Fursty
Never been a popular member off the squad with rest of the players and with good reason - good riddance.

Is that perception or genuine knowledge? Not nit-picking, just interested.

It's a reasonably well informed view- on arrival he said some fairly unsavoury things particularly to Will Skinner and I don't think they've ever been forgotten

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
WellingQuin (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 16:39
If this is a problem with yarde and his attitude then I say good riddance. Would much rather see more committed players get a go.

Charlie walker I'm sure would give everything he has.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 18:28
All very shambolic from all involved by the sound of things.

Yarde clearly hasn’t covered himself in glory and Sale May well have breached various regulations. And Quins have clearly haven’t managed Yarde well since he got here.

Disappointing as he’s a great player. We’ll be weaker without him unless we replace him with a winger of international quality.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 19:23
Just-short-of-a-metre has a very interesting history. Hes also great mates with Mr OConnor from their time at LI...

If he wants out, so be it.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
DOK (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 10:16
It's late I know, but there's a lot of comment from JK about Marland here in the Indy

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
DOK (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 10:25
"They each shook hands but no player appeared to make direct eye contact with JK but instead wheeled away to form their own pep-talk circle"

Presumably you mean like they form a pep-talk circle after every game after coming through the tunnel formed by the opposition. I've looked at the video and while the hand shakes weren't warm and long, more like part of the end of game ritual, I couldn't see anyone avoiding eye contact with JK.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Kent Fan (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 10:27
Ive read the JK comments in the Indi & Im a bit confused.

JK appears to contradict himself.....on one hand he says MY is a nice lad, good player etc and then contracts must be respected plus no one goes anywhere unless I say so and also I make decisions for the club and the squad.

This situation must have been because of either Quins were fed up with MY or MY was fed up with his progress at Quins...possibly a combination of both.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
DOK (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 10:37
Quins ultimately control the contract. They can agree to a player being bought out but the player can't just disappear off to Sale or wherever. So whatever happens it's Harlequins decide it - that was the message I got. That was the message the players got the season we were relegated! smiling smiley

Get the impression from the fact JK knows Marland, his Mum, his support network (agent?), and has talked to him more than all other player this season that perhaps Marland has been an ongoing issue for much longer than we realise.

Doesn't sound like they're not talking to each other, just like club has made a decision on the player and whether they're wanted for the future direction Harlequins want to go.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Kent Fan (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 10:51
Agree DOK but I feel MY attitude must have triggered the decision to let him g mid season and they couldnt see MY being willing to fulfill his side of the contract till the end of the season. Maybe he was also causing problems in the squad so they cut their losses.

The Situation with Tim Visser being dropped was never explained, rumours about a rift with the coaches was swirling around. Is this another example of frustration.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 11:07
Visser wasn't dropped so much as left out because Walker was playing well.



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Re: Yarde off to Sale
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 11:33
Quote:
DOK
"They each shook hands but no player appeared to make direct eye contact with JK but instead wheeled away to form their own pep-talk circle"
Presumably you mean like they form a pep-talk circle after every game after coming through the tunnel formed by the opposition. I've looked at the video and while the hand shakes weren't warm and long, more like part of the end of game ritual, I couldn't see anyone avoiding eye contact with JK.

Sorry DOK, you may be wrong here. You should know that if an otherwise perfectly normal action can be turned into something anti-JK, then that must be exactly what it is!

I look forward to the day where players and coaches shake hands, hug tightly, stare longingly into each other's eyes, go for a walk together, possibly a candlelit dinner...

Actually just the handshake would be fine.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
le tiss (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 12:07
Quote:
Kent Fan
Ive read the JK comments in the Indi & Im a bit confused.
JK appears to contradict himself.....on one hand he says MY is a nice lad, good player etc and then contracts must be respected plus no one goes anywhere unless I say so and also I make decisions for the club and the squad.

This situation must have been because of either Quins were fed up with MY or MY was fed up with his progress at Quins...possibly a combination of both.

I am now confused about whether MY has or has not actually left the building. Has anything been officially confirmed yet?

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Bedfordshire Boy (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 12:20
Quote:
Kent Fan
Ive read the JK comments in the Indi & Im a bit confused.
JK appears to contradict himself.....on one hand he says MY is a nice lad, good player etc and then contracts must be respected plus no one goes anywhere unless I say so and also I make decisions for the club and the squad.

This situation must have been because of either Quins were fed up with MY or MY was fed up with his progress at Quins...possibly a combination of both.

Struggling to find anything contradictory in that report personally.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 12:23
Quote:
le tiss
Quote:
Kent Fan
Ive read the JK comments in the Indi & Im a bit confused.
JK appears to contradict himself.....on one hand he says MY is a nice lad, good player etc and then contracts must be respected plus no one goes anywhere unless I say so and also I make decisions for the club and the squad.

This situation must have been because of either Quins were fed up with MY or MY was fed up with his progress at Quins...possibly a combination of both.

I am now confused about whether MY has or has not actually left the building. Has anything been officially confirmed yet?

I think JK's comments that it's ultimately his/Quins' decision as to whether Yarde stays may well be about saving face. He also says that he must do what's good for the club and the team. Thus, if Yarde goes (by whoever's decision), JK can claim the moral high ground by stating that it was ultimately not Yarde's decision. The fact is that once a player decides they want to leave, you're better off getting shot of them anyway.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Mayor West (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 12:44
I have heard that he has been failing to turn up at training, team meetings and the captains run culminating in his sacking by the club. There have been several enquiries for him but generally seems that sale are most likely. It isn't known if he has engineered this himself or not but it would be unlikely that anybody would keep their job if his attitude is as above.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 12:58
Done deal according to Ugo and the Express

[www.express.co.uk]



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Re: Yarde off to Sale
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 14:05
Quote:
Scaramouche
Visser wasn't dropped so much as left out because Walker was playing well.


You seem to be pretty well informed smiling smiley

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
29 October, 2017 16:55
[www.independent.co.uk]

More info from the independent

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 17:23
Does sound like we’re better off without him.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Ayerza wannabe (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 17:08
Ouch Savea other half is pretty savage.

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Re: Yarde off to Sale
MrOther (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 18:07
Quote:
Ayerza wannabe
Ouch Savea other half is pretty savage.
[twitter.com]

Does she also coach defense?

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Mayor West (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 21:48
That independent article is exactly what I was told by somebody from the club.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Camquin (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 22:34
If someone tweeted that my wife had taken a job in NZ when she and I knew nothing about it, I might tweet something sharp in reply.

As to Yarde, I think he is very lucky not to be told he is in gross breach of his contract and it is being terminated with prejudice.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Olyy (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 22:35
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raedarius
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Sale fan - we are more confused than you, we have great depth at Wing and even have Paolo out on loan and I would have him in the team in a heartbeat after last seasons performances for us.
Now if you had some quality tight 5 players looking for a change..........

Early last season I was impressed with Sale's Edwards/Odogwu wing partnership. Amazes me that Diamond is such a wing collector that he's pretty much binned both of them.

Be careful what you wish for on the tight five front. It must be your turn to get Paul Doran Jones soon...

Odogwu hasn't been binned, he badly injured his shoulder playing in the premiership 7s. Had surgery on it but is still out for an indeterminate length of time with it.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Mayor West (IP Logged)
30 October, 2017 06:40
He was dismissed for gross misconduct Camquin.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
#COYQ (IP Logged)
30 October, 2017 10:09
When Eddie Jones visited the Stoop he made a few comments about Yarde, jokingly it seemed, saying he was worried that Marcus Smith was hanging around too much with him etc.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
DOK (IP Logged)
30 October, 2017 13:07
This report seems to indicate Marland has not gone yet and could be picked next Sunday for the Sarries game.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
30 October, 2017 13:23
Maybe they are giving him a chance to work his way off the naughty step?



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Re: Yarde off to Sale
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
30 October, 2017 13:33
Or maybe they are asserting their power whilst he's still under contract. I'd certainly want him to play if available, in order to avoid one of our remaining wingers possibly getting injured in this nothing comp.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
DOK (IP Logged)
30 October, 2017 14:15
Well, JK's description (and I accept we haven't heard from Marland) seems to indicate communications are still open with the club. The club has the power to stop him playing, they don't have the power to make him play (as long as he's prepared for the sanctions they can then impose). I would hope this is "let's all calm down" idea and let everything get back to normal without anyone losing face.

You can't put out a player who has decided not to play. That's like getting a red card in the first minute. It would have to be a mutually agreed situation.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 30/10/2017 14:21 by DOK.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
QuickerQuin (IP Logged)
30 October, 2017 14:41
Quote:
DOK
This report seems to indicate Marland has not gone yet and could be picked next Sunday for the Sarries game.

I am willing to bet you a shilling that he isn't.

Will you accept?

Where do I collect my money from?

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Cookie (IP Logged)
30 October, 2017 15:47
What a mess. A bit of clarity from the club would be useful, not further muddying of the waters.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
30 October, 2017 16:44
Quote:
Cookie
What a mess. A bit of clarity from the club would be useful, not further muddying of the waters.

I suspect they aren't in a position to clarify too much at the moment, particularly if there are contractual issues at hand.

Did we get to the bottom of whether Sale have breached any regulations if they've spoken to him already?

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
DOK (IP Logged)
30 October, 2017 16:54
Suspect the club also want to know what's going on. Won't help if they announce he's playing...he's off to Sale...No, he's playing...No...

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
30 October, 2017 21:05
Quote:
Cookie
What a mess. A bit of clarity from the club would be useful, not further muddying of the waters.

That could be tricky if they're at a negotiation stage. If they say he's staying and then retract shortly after, it will reflect badly on them (imagine the furore on here at least!); if they say he's leaving and no deal is signed, it devalues him as a player and makes him easy (and cheap) pickings for any other club.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Stooperman (IP Logged)
30 October, 2017 22:08
Its anothe rfluff up isn't it? Any way you look at it, this is a monumental cock up for Quins.

If he stays, he'll be demotivated and pretty much an outcast. If he goes, Diamond will have slashed the amount he is paying to buy out the contract.

Smacks of inept transfer dealings...again!

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 01:50
Eeeek! Transfers in Rugby! Surely not!!!



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Re: Yarde off to Sale
DazzaS (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 06:15
Seems like ugo monye spoke prematurely. Csn imagine the club are not happy with him.



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Re: Yarde off to Sale
blucherquin (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 06:35
Quote:
QuickerQuin
Quote:
DOK
This report seems to indicate Marland has not gone yet and could be picked next Sunday for the Sarries game.

I am willing to bet you a shilling that he isn't.

Will you accept?

Where do I collect my money from?

Its no different to the piece in the Indy.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Grins (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 08:24
Owen Slot seems to have the club's version of the story: The Times (paywall)

Reflects a lot better on the club than Yarde.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Fursty (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 08:28
There's a good article in the Times by Owen Slot on Kingston's decision to get rid of Yarde, (behind a paywall so can't post the link). Perhaps the most interesting point it raises is that Quins had already taken the decision not to renew Yarde's contract at the end of the season before this latest transgression,

From what I've read we'll certainly not be getting a transfer fee for Yarde wherever he goes and the club are quite keen to see the back of him.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 08:50
Quote:
Fursty
There's a good article in the Times by Owen Slot on Kingston's decision to get rid of Yarde, (behind a paywall so can't post the link). Perhaps the most interesting point it raises is that Quins had already taken the decision not to renew Yarde's contract at the end of the season before this latest transgression,
From what I've read we'll certainly not be getting a transfer fee for Yarde wherever he goes and the club are quite keen to see the back of him.

I wonder if Yarde is part of a group of players JK is planning on getting rid of.

There was a lot of talk in the Summer of 20+ players being out of contract, and JK wanting to have a clear out, but then a lot on here suggested that was an exaggeration (or that it covered lots of youth team players etc).

There certainly hasn't been a flurry of contract renewals recently, so I do wonder whether JK (if he's still in charge) will use that opportunity to sweep out some of the deadwood and some of the players who aren't doing what he tells them to do.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
blucherquin (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 08:58
Makes total sense -- Yarde told no contract renewal and therefore starts acting like a so-and-so (we know he sometimes thinks too highly of himself because Jones is on the record saying it's harmed his career).

Therefore club say -- actually, if you can find somewhere to go right now we'll let you go straightaway.

Good for the club if that's the truth.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Fearless Fred (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 09:00
Quote:
Grins
Owen Slot seems to have the club's version of the story: The Times (paywall)
Reflects a lot better on the club than Yarde.

For those wanting to read the article, you can register (without having to pay) to read two articles a month.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
NicoWilson (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 09:04
Interesting comment about Kingstons discipline in The Times. Its behind a firewall but here is the relevant part:

Quote:
The Times
Kingston was so intent on his discipline review that he set it out in black and white. In some rugby environments, the squad discipline is player-led, with the players themselves setting the boundaries. It takes a pretty mature environment to work like that and Kingston wanted no grey areas. He wanted everything absolutely clear.
At Harlequins, therefore, there is now a four-level disciplinary system. The milder transgressions warrant only a coffee and a chat with Kingston. For the second level of transgression, the penalty is Harlequins community service: an appropriate level of
out-of-work hours given to the club. The third level involves selection: you transgress, you are dropped. The fourth is the severance of your contract.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 09:21
No problem with that at all. He knew the rules then. Laters Marlande

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
DOK (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 09:26
Well I can see Yarde's frustration "Here I am again, not wanted by the club. After all they said when I signed about a bright future...", And I can see the club's frustration "We want players committed to Harlequins, who fit in, who have the mindset that will move us forward and win us trophies...and you're just dicking around not keeping your side of the bargain".

Sounds like a typical relationship that is now ending in divorce between people who have fallen out of love with each other.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Cookie (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 09:27
Or someone could copy and paste it............

At some point today, the inevitable news communiqu will be publicised with the confirmation that Marland Yarde is to be released from Harlequins to join Sale Sharks. This has been rumbling since Yarde missed a training session ten days ago. When a club such as Harlequins, who have designs on a top-four finish and more, lose an England player mid-season like this, something has gone seriously wrong.

The training session that Yarde missed, on the eve of the Wasps game two weekends ago, was by no means the first. It seems that it was the third in the past three months. The first was before the clubs pre-season training camp in Herzogenaurach, Germany.

After missing the pre-Wasps training session, Yarde was then pulled from the European Champions Cup game at the Ricoh Arena. He was inked in, instead, to play in the A League game away to Gloucester the next day but he didnt play in that, either. Indeed, Harlequins were shuffling their hand so much by that stage that they had an unmanned spot on their bench for the Gloucester match.

By that stage, however, Yardes time at Harlequins was fast reaching its end. John Kingston, the director of rugby, had already had a crisis meeting with Yardes agent. Before that meeting, Kingston knew that he was not going to renew Yardes contract at the end of the season; by the end of it, Yarde had been invited to find another club with immediate effect.

Yarde, it seems, was not always a great team man. After a while, a player who takes liberties starts to undermine the broader group. That is where it had got to.

That it reached the point where he was shown the door mid-season reflects appallingly on him. Remember, this is an England player; pre-Wasps, he had started all seven games of the season and had scored four tries. In other words, he is exactly the sort of player that a club might be tempted to bend their rules to accommodate.

So this is a brave decision from Harlequins not simply because of the quality that they are letting go, but because of what this says about the club, or rather, what it will have people saying about the club. If a team lose one of their best players in such highly unusual circumstances, then immediately it raises the question: what are they getting wrong?

At some point, though, Kingston had to make a stand. Ever since he was promoted from head coach to the top job at Harlequins, 16 months ago, he has made it a priority to improve the culture at the club, in particular the discipline. That is why you see written large in their Guildford training ground the words: Discipline: do the right things at the right time. That is why one of Kingstons favourite club slogans is Harlequins before self.

Kingston was so intent on his discipline review that he set it out in black and white. In some rugby environments, the squad discipline is player-led, with the players themselves setting the boundaries. It takes a pretty mature environment to work like that and Kingston wanted no grey areas. He wanted everything absolutely clear.

At Harlequins, therefore, there is now a four-level disciplinary system. The milder transgressions warrant only a coffee and a chat with Kingston. For the second level of transgression, the penalty is Harlequins community service: an appropriate level of
out-of-work hours given to the club. The third level involves selection: you transgress, you are dropped. The fourth is the severance of your contract.

There are a million and one cases, in any sport, of star players getting star-player treatment. Kingston could have opted to handle Yarde this way, though that would have been for short-term gain.

For the long-term culture of Harlequins, though, Kingston had to show that his boundaries would not be blurred, whoever you are. As he said: I have to make decisions for the better good of Harlequins. If I think there is something stopping a strong environment, I will jump quickly to sort it out and make that decision.

And so Yarde has been shown the door.

The twist, though, is this. Harlequins loss is Sales gain. And he wont be the first player who has had disciplinary problems to have found their way to the AJ Bell Stadium. More to the point, they have found their way to Steve Diamond.

Danny Cipriani, who is now with Wasps, is the most celebrated of them all. James OConnor, the Australian who has won 44 Test caps, has had his problems staying at any one club. He had a contract with the Australian Rugby Union suspended after a drunken incident at Perth airport, there was another suspension from Toulon last season after a cocaine bust in Paris.

Yet when others had their noses in the air, Diamond signed him up. Diamond is known as a no-nonsense hard-man motivator. His methods seemed to work with Cipriani; it is too early to call it a success with OConnor. Yet he has an appetite for more with Yarde.

You could say that Diamond is loading himself with problems. For Yardes sake, you hope that Diamonds methods rescue him.

Harlequins, though, had little option. They have lost a real talent, but when that talent becomes detrimental to the wider group, it doesnt matter how good he is.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
DOK (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 09:30
I'll look forward to the threatening letter from the Times' lawyers, cookie. Seriously, thanks for posting!

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Cookie (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 09:36
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DOK
I'll look forward to the threatening letter from the Times' lawyers, cookie. Seriously, thanks for posting!

Heehee! I'm not sure on the legalities, I must admit and I did think twice about posting it. I guess we might be finding out soon!

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
blucherquin (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 09:36
Well - that makes JK and the club look very good in my view.

It makes Yarde look appalling.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Cookie (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 10:00
Just annoying that Steve Diamond can get the best out of players like Yarde (although obviously the jury is out on him) and we end up letting them leave mid-season.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 10:23
It remains to be seen to see if O'Connor remains scandal-free; him and Yarde are very good friends. I have a few LI friends who have commented on Yarde's history while here, at LI and in earlier years - not much of it good.

As for Cipriano - drunk driving charge and ramming a bus is hardly an indication that Diamond, rough as he is, has total control. He does seem to have settled at Wasps, though.

Yards is a loss, and its not the best time to lose such a good player, but can't argue with bad apple scenario.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 10:33
I'd say that overall this reflects well on Quins as a club and on JK as a man manager. Disciplinary codes are great to have, as long as you enforce them. This sends ut the message that the code is not just there to impress.

Yarde on a good day is a huge loss; Yarde as a potential squad demotivator is not something that will be missed.

It will be interesting to see if this has an effect on the squad pulling together.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 10:36
Quote:
Quinky Kin
I'd say that overall this reflects well on Quins as a club and on JK as a man manager. Disciplinary codes are great to have, as long as you enforce them. This sends ut the message that the code is not just there to impress.
Yarde on a good day is a huge loss; Yarde as a potential squad demotivator is not something that will be missed.

It will be interesting to see if this has an effect on the squad pulling together.

It's disappointing that JK was unable to get him to conform with what is expected of the squad, but as you say I think JK has done everything he can to get him to buck his ideas up and when that hasn't worked he needs to go. Fault seems to like squarely with Yarde here.

No man is bigger than the club, particularly not a man who, whilst a very good player, hasn't exactly been fantastic since arriving.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Cookie (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 10:37
Quote:
Quinky Kin
I'd say that overall this reflects well on Quins as a club and on JK as a man manager. Disciplinary codes are great to have, as long as you enforce them. This sends ut the message that the code is not just there to impress.
Yarde on a good day is a huge loss; Yarde as a potential squad demotivator is not something that will be missed.

It will be interesting to see if this has an effect on the squad pulling together.

I'd have been more impressed if he sorted him out rather than kicked him out mid-season when it'll be hard to replace him (although I doubt we'll try).

Will be interesting to hear Yarde's version of events.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
SiBolton (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 10:57
Think he was beyond sorting out

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 10:58
I for one am hugely surprised you see this as a black mark against Kingston instead of against the player who's repeatedly transgressed.

Good luck to him at Sale, Diamond's "successes" are overblown and I'm sure Marland will continue to be an asset on the field with a few really raw parts to his game that have never improved. It's a shame he couldn't be professional but I always appreciated his attitude on the pitch.



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semper crescis aut decrescis

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 11:09
Also, is it not the case that we were not renewing his contract?? so why would we want to sort him out??

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Cookie (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 11:17
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I for one am hugely surprised you see this as a black mark against Kingston instead of against the player who's repeatedly transgressed.
Good luck to him at Sale, Diamond's "successes" are overblown and I'm sure Marland will continue to be an asset on the field with a few really raw parts to his game that have never improved. It's a shame he couldn't be professional but I always appreciated his attitude on the pitch.

Pretty sure I didn't say that this was a criticism of JK or Quins in general.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 11:18
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Also, is it not the case that we were not renewing his contract?? so why would we want to sort him out??

Because it's still better to have an international quality winger for the rest of the season than have nobody at all.

I'm sure JK realised that which is why he seems to have done all he could to keep Yarde as part of the squad for this season.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 11:40
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Also, is it not the case that we were not renewing his contract?? so why would we want to sort him out??

Because it's still better to have an international quality winger for the rest of the season than have nobody at all.

I'm sure JK realised that which is why he seems to have done all he could to keep Yarde as part of the squad for this season.

I get the impression Yarde was beyond saving though

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
blucherquin (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 11:46
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I'd say that overall this reflects well on Quins as a club and on JK as a man manager. Disciplinary codes are great to have, as long as you enforce them. This sends ut the message that the code is not just there to impress.
Yarde on a good day is a huge loss; Yarde as a potential squad demotivator is not something that will be missed.

It will be interesting to see if this has an effect on the squad pulling together.

I'd have been more impressed if he sorted him out rather than kicked him out mid-season when it'll be hard to replace him (although I doubt we'll try).

Will be interesting to hear Yarde's version of events.

If we weren't renewing his contract, what's the point in trying to sort him out?

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Cookie (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 11:48
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I'd say that overall this reflects well on Quins as a club and on JK as a man manager. Disciplinary codes are great to have, as long as you enforce them. This sends ut the message that the code is not just there to impress.
Yarde on a good day is a huge loss; Yarde as a potential squad demotivator is not something that will be missed.

It will be interesting to see if this has an effect on the squad pulling together.

I'd have been more impressed if he sorted him out rather than kicked him out mid-season when it'll be hard to replace him (although I doubt we'll try).

Will be interesting to hear Yarde's version of events.

If we weren't renewing his contract, what's the point in trying to sort him out?

The point being it shouldn't have come to that.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
DOK (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 11:49
I knew a few kids at school were the same, disruptive, ignored the rules. People in charge bent over backwards (as it were) to sort them out, but they weren't having any of it. Went through the whole gamut of sanctions the school could apply. Seemed determined to screw up their lives so eventually the school and them parted company. I never regarded it as a failure on the school's part they couldn't keep the disruptive people and acting quickly probably forestalled having to get rid of others.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
RleQuin (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 11:49
I think he was like that because he was only paid a reported 250K a year (Sm161)
RleQ

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 11:53
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Also, is it not the case that we were not renewing his contract?? so why would we want to sort him out??

Because it's still better to have an international quality winger for the rest of the season than have nobody at all.

I'm sure JK realised that which is why he seems to have done all he could to keep Yarde as part of the squad for this season.

I get the impression Yarde was beyond saving though

Well yes that was ultimately the case, but it was a situation worth trying to sort out rather than just letting him rot for a year.

Definitely think JK did the right thing in this instance.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
DOK (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 11:53
Be interesting to see what the Sale salary figure is.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 31/10/2017 11:54 by DOK.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
blucherquin (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 11:56
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I'd say that overall this reflects well on Quins as a club and on JK as a man manager. Disciplinary codes are great to have, as long as you enforce them. This sends ut the message that the code is not just there to impress.
Yarde on a good day is a huge loss; Yarde as a potential squad demotivator is not something that will be missed.

It will be interesting to see if this has an effect on the squad pulling together.

I'd have been more impressed if he sorted him out rather than kicked him out mid-season when it'll be hard to replace him (although I doubt we'll try).

Will be interesting to hear Yarde's version of events.

If we weren't renewing his contract, what's the point in trying to sort him out?

The point being it shouldn't have come to that.

But the article says we were cutting him anyway, not because of what happened in the past two weeks -- so it was always going to "come to that" if that's how he reacts when he's told he's not getting his contract renewed.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 11:56
I agree it would have been good to have sorted Yarde aout. However, in one interview JK mentioned that he'd spent more time with Yarde than with any other player. That sounds like he was becoming too much to fix.

Pastoral care is one thing; but there is the risk that focusing too much on one area can detract from everything else. This can have two knock-on issues: other issues fail to get noticed or get the proper amount of attention, and other players could become resentful.

I think there will always be problem players who won't be fixed. For Yarde's sake, I hope he gets it right at Sale.

 
Re: Yarde off to Sale
DOK (IP Logged)
31 October, 2017 12:12

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