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Blimey.....Uncomfortable reading for JK & Minty!!!!????
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Blimey.....Uncomfortable reading for JK & Minty!!!!????
That's q4e talking about JK and Easter, not Mike Brown!
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I agree QP this years squad is stronger.
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All in all I would agree with JK.
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Can I point out one more time than JK is not a coach?
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It is a bit of a worry if senior players are coming out of those sort of comments. The comments are in line with what some of us have been worried about all this season and some of last too. A lack of commitment, a lack of quality coaching, a lack of game plan, or plan b,c,d etc.
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It is a bit of a worry if senior players are coming out of those sort of comments. The comments are in line with what some of us have been worried about all this season and some of last too. A lack of commitment, a lack of quality coaching, a lack of game plan, or plan b,c,d etc.
It also fits with the idea that there�s a group of senior/international players who think they�re in charge and the dressing room is unbalanced.
This is O�Shea�s fault. He gave them all the power then didn�t create a side that worked without them.
We should have ditched a decent tranche of players since 2012 but instead we�ve clung onto them and not built for the future. Now they think they know better.
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Open criticism of some of the other players and coaches would seem to indicate he wants to be somewhere else.
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Open criticism of some of the other players and coaches would seem to indicate he wants to be somewhere else.
Not the way I see it at all, this is a guy who just wants his team to do better and perform to their potential.
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It’s a double edged sword. MB is being honest and voicing what we as fans are seeing every week. But in going public he is showing his personal frustration with the situation and has given a peek into what is happening behind the closed doors of the club.
Open criticism of some of the other players and coaches would seem to indicate he wants to be somewhere else.
We have been compared to Saints but I don’t think anyone from them has stood out in the same way...I might be wrong. Gloucester were in a similar position of underachieving over a number of seasons but Ackerman seems to have changed some of that but with some player changes and his “magic”. From the outside it’s difficult to know what that was. The majority of the coaching voices have been the same for a number of years. I haven’t done any research but is there any other premiership team that have had the same coaches for as long as Quins. I appreciate Minty and NEV are new but they were players for years before. It’s too cosy for the coaches and squad....no new ideas, no new opinions, no appreciable change, no new faces. It’s hard to understand why this has been the chosen route.
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It is a bit of a worry if senior players are coming out of those sort of comments. The comments are in line with what some of us have been worried about all this season and some of last too. A lack of commitment, a lack of quality coaching, a lack of game plan, or plan b,c,d etc.
It also fits with the idea that there�s a group of senior/international players who think they�re in charge and the dressing room is unbalanced.
This is O�Shea�s fault. He gave them all the power then didn�t create a side that worked without them.
We should have ditched a decent tranche of players since 2012 but instead we�ve clung onto them and not built for the future. Now they think they know better.
I think you're right about COS starting it all but the way to sort that was never to perpetuate the problem by keeping everyone other than COS on the coaching staff.
It's why I think we need a total shake up.
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Can I point out one more time than JK is not a coach?
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It’s a double edged sword. MB is being honest and voicing what we as fans are seeing every week. But in going public he is showing his personal frustration with the situation and has given a peek into what is happening behind the closed doors of the club.
Open criticism of some of the other players and coaches would seem to indicate he wants to be somewhere else.
We have been compared to Saints but I don’t think anyone from them has stood out in the same way...I might be wrong. Gloucester were in a similar position of underachieving over a number of seasons but Ackerman seems to have changed some of that but with some player changes and his “magic”. From the outside it’s difficult to know what that was. The majority of the coaching voices have been the same for a number of years. I haven’t done any research but is there any other premiership team that have had the same coaches for as long as Quins. I appreciate Minty and NEV are new but they were players for years before. It’s too cosy for the coaches and squad....no new ideas, no new opinions, no appreciable change, no new faces. It’s hard to understand why this has been the chosen route.
I'm not sure, but haven't Exeter had the same coaching team for quite some time?
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It’s a double edged sword. MB is being honest and voicing what we as fans are seeing every week. But in going public he is showing his personal frustration with the situation and has given a peek into what is happening behind the closed doors of the club.
Open criticism of some of the other players and coaches would seem to indicate he wants to be somewhere else.
We have been compared to Saints but I don’t think anyone from them has stood out in the same way...I might be wrong. Gloucester were in a similar position of underachieving over a number of seasons but Ackerman seems to have changed some of that but with some player changes and his “magic”. From the outside it’s difficult to know what that was. The majority of the coaching voices have been the same for a number of years. I haven’t done any research but is there any other premiership team that have had the same coaches for as long as Quins. I appreciate Minty and NEV are new but they were players for years before. It’s too cosy for the coaches and squad....no new ideas, no new opinions, no appreciable change, no new faces. It’s hard to understand why this has been the chosen route.
I'm not sure, but haven't Exeter had the same coaching team for quite some time?
Way too cozy with former player Baxter moving straight into coaching them.
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Sounds like a similar career trajectory to Minty, although obviously Minty is a good few years behind Baxter. Doesn't stop people pontificating about the cosiness around Minty's appointment though.
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I agree B.B. but to openly voice this to a hack is indication that he is frustrated, has voiced this internally for sometime and can’t see anything changing with the current incumbents in place.
This must be of interest to other clubs who could maybe be tempted to take him on.
Regretfully I think his England place for the RWC might be in doubt with the emergence of younger choices for FB. Watson is pressing hard this could be MB’s last 6 nations as first choice. I have always loved his approach and style but feel he missed out on England when he was probably at his best. His club trophy cupboard is a bit bare and how would I know but maybe he wants some higher European silverware before he finishes.
Always thought he’d be a good fit at either Sarries Wasps or Tigers...I just hope he stays and finishes at Quins but wouldn’t blame him if he went.
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Where does Graeme Bowerbank (Head of Rugby Operations) fit into the structure? Does JK report to him?
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Where does Graeme Bowerbank (Head of Rugby Operations) fit into the structure? Does JK report to him?
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It’s a double edged sword. MB is being honest and voicing what we as fans are seeing every week. But in going public he is showing his personal frustration with the situation and has given a peek into what is happening behind the closed doors of the club.
Open criticism of some of the other players and coaches would seem to indicate he wants to be somewhere else.
We have been compared to Saints but I don’t think anyone from them has stood out in the same way...I might be wrong. Gloucester were in a similar position of underachieving over a number of seasons but Ackerman seems to have changed some of that but with some player changes and his “magic”. From the outside it’s difficult to know what that was. The majority of the coaching voices have been the same for a number of years. I haven’t done any research but is there any other premiership team that have had the same coaches for as long as Quins. I appreciate Minty and NEV are new but they were players for years before. It’s too cosy for the coaches and squad....no new ideas, no new opinions, no appreciable change, no new faces. It’s hard to understand why this has been the chosen route.
I'm not sure, but haven't Exeter had the same coaching team for quite some time?
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Culture is CoS's fault and Brown is going to lose his England place and leave. So bored of these two gems.
Most of the rumours you hear tend to suggest that it is the more junior players who've come through the academy at a time when we were doing well in the league who are rather entitled and have a poor attitude. So if CoS was guilty of letting the senior players have too much say, I'm not sure how he's to blame for others having a poor attitude.
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Sounds like a similar career trajectory to Minty, although obviously Minty is a good few years behind Baxter. Doesn't stop people pontificating about the cosiness around Minty's appointment though.
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JK was not an inspiring appointment, but at the moment he is all we've got. I'm quite excited to see what he does with the Jamie Roberts(assuming he doesn't re-sign) and Marlande Yarde money.
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Sounds like a similar career trajectory to Minty, although obviously Minty is a good few years behind Baxter. Doesn't stop people pontificating about the cosiness around Minty's appointment though.
Agreed. Not comfortable with Minty in his current role, but Baxter did have an easier introduction and sounds like he's got more about him coaching-wise. He was quickly integrated into England's coaching group.
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Sounds like a similar career trajectory to Minty, although obviously Minty is a good few years behind Baxter. Doesn't stop people pontificating about the cosiness around Minty's appointment though.
Great player but totally different character.
Easter is jack the lad, leader of “the boys”.
May well be a good coach but not sure in our dressing room with all his buddies in a team that needed fresh thinking was the right answer.
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I don't know Easter personally and I have no experience of how he acted and interacted off the pitch as a player and how he acts and interacts now as a coach, so I can't refute anything you say.
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...I haven’t done any research but is there any other premiership team that have had the same coaches for as long as Quins. I appreciate Minty and NEV are new but they were players for years before. It’s too cosy for the coaches and squad....no new ideas, no new opinions, no appreciable change, no new faces. It’s hard to understand why this has been the chosen route.
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I agree B.B. but to openly voice this to a hack is indication that he is frustrated, has voiced this internally for sometime and can’t see anything changing with the current incumbents in place.
This must be of interest to other clubs who could maybe be tempted to take him on.
Regretfully I think his England place for the RWC might be in doubt with the emergence of younger choices for FB. Watson is pressing hard this could be MB’s last 6 nations as first choice. I have always loved his approach and style but feel he missed out on England when he was probably at his best. His club trophy cupboard is a bit bare and how would I know but maybe he wants some higher European silverware before he finishes.
Always thought he’d be a good fit at either Sarries Wasps or Tigers...I just hope he stays and finishes at Quins but wouldn’t blame him if he went.
With all due respect, you seem to be clutching at any straw which would see Mike leaving Quins... Your conclusions all lead in one direction... it's as if you've decided on a narrative and are moulding your view of the facts to fit it.
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I believed him when he said it was gallows humour. Considering the way he played the game I don't think for one minute he was more concerned about the money than the success. I don't think there's much value judging people on such minor snippets, but we all do it I suppose. Eg. I liked him even more when I found out Entourage was his favourite TV show some years back.
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...I haven’t done any research but is there any other premiership team that have had the same coaches for as long as Quins. I appreciate Minty and NEV are new but they were players for years before. It’s too cosy for the coaches and squad....no new ideas, no new opinions, no appreciable change, no new faces. It’s hard to understand why this has been the chosen route.
OK - repeat the same cosy opinion, as seems "popular".
Apart from Exeter/Baxter, how about Sarries/McCall, Wasps/Young or Newcastle/Richards? Strange that those that have been there the longest are now 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th in the league. Still, having new coaches also works: Bath are 6th and Leicester (2 changes) 9th...
Only exception is Gloucester/Ackermann, but this wasn't a mid-season change. It does show that it doesn't need to be a "headline" coach to re-align a side though.
Mind you, he wouldn't go down well here, with his history of "nonchalant ion greed"...
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...I haven’t done any research but is there any other premiership team that have had the same coaches for as long as Quins. I appreciate Minty and NEV are new but they were players for years before. It’s too cosy for the coaches and squad....no new ideas, no new opinions, no appreciable change, no new faces. It’s hard to understand why this has been the chosen route.
OK - repeat the same cosy opinion, as seems "popular".
Apart from Exeter/Baxter, how about Sarries/McCall, Wasps/Young or Newcastle/Richards? Strange that those that have been there the longest are now 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th in the league. Still, having new coaches also works: Bath are 6th and Leicester (2 changes) 9th...
Only exception is Gloucester/Ackermann, but this wasn't a mid-season change. It does show that it doesn't need to be a "headline" coach to re-align a side though.
Mind you, he wouldn't go down well here, with his history of "nonchalant ion greed"...
Whoosh!!! Sorry Bolly me old mucker but you are going to have to explain that one......
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Whoosh!!! Sorry Bolly me old mucker but you are going to have to explain that one......
My guess is it's an anagram which includes a banned substance.
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I believed him when he said it was gallows humour. Considering the way he played the game I don't think for one minute he was more concerned about the money than the success.
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Whoosh!!! Sorry Bolly me old mucker but you are going to have to explain that one......
My guess is it's an anagram which includes a banned substance.
Correct...
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One of the words is "Nandrolone". The other word is an anagram of "chatinge",,,
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I agree with the Military adage that every plan changes as soon as the enemy are engaged but the enemies plan(s) strengths and weaknesses to an extent are also known.
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For historical accuracy Hague's tortoise was called Alan.