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Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
DOK (IP Logged)
30 January, 2018 17:42

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
1908 (IP Logged)
30 January, 2018 18:32
Good news for all concerned....except perhaps Italy.
I think all three may start on the bench.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
30 January, 2018 18:35
Why on earth would you think that?

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
T-Bone (IP Logged)
30 January, 2018 19:05
Excellent, especially for Brown, as it sounded a bit iffy

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
Kent Fan (IP Logged)
30 January, 2018 19:21
I didn’t know Mike had eye socket damage. Glad all is well and he’s back ti full fitness. Bit p*ssed about papers emphasising his “angry” nature and not interpreting it as will to win.

Good on you Mike good luck in making the starting 15 ...... I for one thought he might not get a starting 15 shirt anymore.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
Cookie (IP Logged)
30 January, 2018 22:28
I'm intrigued to see what he's going to do with Nowell seeing as he's listed as a midfielder, not an outside back.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
T-Bone (IP Logged)
30 January, 2018 23:05
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I'm intrigued to see what he's going to do with Nowell seeing as he's listed as a midfielder, not an outside back.

I don't see how he is not a fullback if the other wings aren't.

It's all a bit silly this full back, inside back, front row, back five, finisher stuff. By all means use that philosophy, emphasise the versatility, tell the subs their role is just as important as the starting 15, but putting it in the official announcements just seems slightly ridiculous to me. Still, as long as we win I'm sure I'll get over it somehow!

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
31 January, 2018 12:00
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I'm intrigued to see what he's going to do with Nowell seeing as he's listed as a midfielder, not an outside back.

Do you think he might use him as a centre?

England are very weak in that area at the moment, and Nowell has played there previously.

Would be a bold choice as I don't think he's played there consistently at any stage in his career, but it would certainly give us another option.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
poorfour (IP Logged)
31 January, 2018 12:48
Eddie waxed lyrical yesterday about Nowell being "a bit like Conrad Smith"

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
31 January, 2018 17:15
I do wonder whether EJ is up to some mind games here, especially as COS undermined his try feat last year...

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
Fearless Fred (IP Logged)
31 January, 2018 18:34
EJ has released the list of the 25 players retained for the game in Sunday. Mike, Danny & Chris are retained, with Smith released back to us....

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
blucherquin (IP Logged)
31 January, 2018 19:27
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EJ has released the list of the 25 players retained for the game in Sunday. Mike, Danny & Chris are retained, with Smith released back to us....

Our new wing is part of the 25.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
1908 (IP Logged)
31 January, 2018 21:03
Rodney.....the reason why I opined that Brown, Robshaw and Brown might well all be on the bench is fairly obvious. All three have been recovering from "injuries" and will be a bit rusty.

It looks like Brown will be starting...alas...so that means May and Watson on wings in all probability. I think Lawes and Itoje will do the 6 role, Simmonds at 8 and Robshaw at 7. I really, really hope he plays Farrell at 10 with Teo at 12. If Ford and Youngs are the half backs I shall be annoyed.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
31 January, 2018 21:08
There's 2 robshaws, not 2 browns.

Brown is not a bench option.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
1908 (IP Logged)
31 January, 2018 21:30
My mistake. One Brown should have been a Nowell. And you are right....Brown is not a bench option. He either plays or is not in the 23. I retract my previous post, sir.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
Bedfordshire Boy (IP Logged)
31 January, 2018 22:28
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Rodney.....the reason why I opined that Brown, Robshaw and Brown might well all be on the bench is fairly obvious. All three have been recovering from "injuries" and will be a bit rusty.
It looks like Brown will be starting...alas...so that means May and Watson on wings in all probability. I think Lawes and Itoje will do the 6 role, Simmonds at 8 and Robshaw at 7. I really, really hope he plays Farrell at 10 with Teo at 12. If Ford and Youngs are the half backs I shall be annoyed.

Prepare yourself, it is the combination EJ seems to favour.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
Cookie (IP Logged)
01 February, 2018 00:29
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I'm intrigued to see what he's going to do with Nowell seeing as he's listed as a midfielder, not an outside back.

Do you think he might use him as a centre?

England are very weak in that area at the moment, and Nowell has played there previously.

Would be a bold choice as I don't think he's played there consistently at any stage in his career, but it would certainly give us another option.

Well, he’s listed as such, rather than an ‘outside back’ (i.e. back three). Not sure he’s got enough rugby in his legs to start. Decent utility bench option, though.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
blucherquin (IP Logged)
01 February, 2018 07:10
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Rodney.....the reason why I opined that Brown, Robshaw and Brown might well all be on the bench is fairly obvious. All three have been recovering from "injuries" and will be a bit rusty.
It looks like Brown will be starting...alas...so that means May and Watson on wings in all probability. I think Lawes and Itoje will do the 6 role, Simmonds at 8 and Robshaw at 7. I really, really hope he plays Farrell at 10 with Teo at 12. If Ford and Youngs are the half backs I shall be annoyed.

Prepare yourself, it is the combination EJ seems to favour.

Care will start

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
01 February, 2018 07:37
Very weak in the centres - huh?

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
01 February, 2018 08:00
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Very weak in the centres - huh?

Baffling really.

Farrell has always been a terrible 10 and an excellent 12 for England, and ford is superb, so hopefully Farrell will play at 10 and we'll pick an unproven 12.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
Dave L (IP Logged)
01 February, 2018 11:03
I think Farrell has matured as a 10 since he first played there for England a number of years ago but I'm loathed to go against Jones's opinion on what works as the Ford Farrell combo has been pretty effective to date.

Be interested to know what he doesn't like about Dan Robson though.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
1908 (IP Logged)
01 February, 2018 17:03
Teo is not an unproven 12. And Ford has been poor this season.....not helped by having to wait for Youngs's pass to be fair to him. Looks like Care may start which means that when the last 20 mins arrive and England need him he'll probably get the shepherds crook for Youngs.

England need a bit of go forward in the backs and Teo gives you that.

As for weak in the centres...England can pick (when all are fit) from Teo, Slade, JJ, Daly, Tuilagi, Burrell, Eastmond to name but a few.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
01 February, 2018 17:09
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Very weak in the centres - huh?

For a team that is vying to be best in the world I think we are yes.

Te'o is okay but certainly hasn't lit the world up at the highest level, or really at club level.

JJ has been excellent for England but behind him who is actually at that top level at 13? We've got lots of versatile players who can play at 12/13 but not many who are particular specialists.

Farrell has plugged the gap very well there, and his combination with Ford works very well so we haven't had to worry too much about that position, but I think it's the position England lack depth in the most other than possibly scrum half.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
T-Bone (IP Logged)
01 February, 2018 17:31
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Teo is not an unproven 12. And Ford has been poor this season.....not helped by having to wait for Youngs's pass to be fair to him. Looks like Care may start which means that when the last 20 mins arrive and England need him he'll probably get the shepherds crook for Youngs.
England need a bit of go forward in the backs and Teo gives you that.

As for weak in the centres...England can pick (when all are fit) from Teo, Slade, JJ, Daly, Tuilagi, Burrell, Eastmond to name but a few.

The problem is Tuilagi is rarely fit, Daly has played most of his international rugby on the wing, Burrell is not very good and Eastmond has very little international experience and I'm not convinced is up to it.

You can add Marchant as an untested option.

Of course where Eddie is going wrong is not trying to find any old rugby league player to put in, a la Burgess and Tompkins.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
quinsfan123 (IP Logged)
01 February, 2018 17:42
Not sure you can class Teo as an untried inside centre. After all starting the first Lions test would imply he has talent.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
Hellequin (IP Logged)
01 February, 2018 19:36
If England want to try out some new players/ combinations this weekend is probably the best opportunity. Italy away after the other 4 teams have played as long as COS doesn't spring any suprises this year.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
blucherquin (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 07:24
Thankfully Jones just picks the side he wants and ignores all the noise from fans and journos saying “but why isn’t so and so playing” “he’s the form player” “you have to start x” “y has to be the 12”

Long may he ignore all of us.

Fun to discuss but so far I’ll take his choices. At least he seems to have finally killed off the Goode, Wade, Kvesic, Abendenon nonsense.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 10:24
So Te'o is starting at 13.

Interesting, but I suppose this is to try and counter the lack of power we've got in the back row.

Robshaw and Lawes are the 6.5s with Simmons at 8 which looks like a nice balance.

All in all it's still a strong team despite all the injuries.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 10:56
With the English depth of player availability we should be able to field half a dozen First Teams tbh.



If at first you don't succeed, Try, Try and Try again.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
T-Bone (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 11:35
Youngs starts. Oh joy

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
Candelamaria (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 13:02
So they realise Boyce back to us as well. Part of me thinks was Robshaw injured all this time or was it like another Joe Marler incident?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2018 13:03 by Candelamaria.

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
Bedfordshire Boy (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 13:08
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Rodney.....the reason why I opined that Brown, Robshaw and Brown might well all be on the bench is fairly obvious. All three have been recovering from "injuries" and will be a bit rusty.
It looks like Brown will be starting...alas...so that means May and Watson on wings in all probability. I think Lawes and Itoje will do the 6 role, Simmonds at 8 and Robshaw at 7. I really, really hope he plays Farrell at 10 with Teo at 12. If Ford and Youngs are the half backs I shall be annoyed.

Prepare yourself, it is the combination EJ seems to favour.

Care will start

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Youngs starts. Oh joy

 
Re: Robshaw, Brown & Nowell fit for Italy
poorfour (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 13:46
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Youngs starts. Oh joy

Eddie's view is that Care's particular skill set is best used against tiring brains and legs, and when he's had time to read the game and spot where the gaps are going to be.

The evidence of the autumn suggests that he's right. I've argued elsewhere that people should stop getting hung up on starters and subs. Calling the bench "finishers" isn't just to make them feel better: their job is to go for the kill in the last quarter, and players like Care, Sinckler and George are picked as finishers because their skills and physical characteristics are better used in that phase of the game.


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