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“JK’s squad”
blucherquin (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 13:30
For fear of being told it was Kingston’s squad before (he says he had no control over signings or contracts).....

Interestingly, Bayfield said on Rugby Tonight that Saints are going to have to be patient because with the way contracts and signings work, it’s going to take three years before you can say it’s “his” squad.

Thought it was a good insight given the debate on here.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2018 13:41 by blucherquin.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 13:35
As much as I have not been a fan of JK, I dont have much to complain about the signings he has made. I think he is doing a good job of clearing out (for want of a better word) the deadwood (and before anyone moans about certain players, I do not include all the leavers in that).

I think he is building a pretty useful squad.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 13:44
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HonkyTonk
As much as I have not been a fan of JK, I dont have much to complain about the signings he has made. I think he is doing a good job of clearing out (for want of a better word) the deadwood (and before anyone moans about certain players, I do not include all the leavers in that).
I think he is building a pretty useful squad.

He's chosen some really good players, but they seem to be injury magnets!

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
Hants Hog Dean (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 15:24
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HonkyTonk
As much as I have not been a fan of JK, I dont have much to complain about the signings he has made. I think he is doing a good job of clearing out (for want of a better word) the deadwood (and before anyone moans about certain players, I do not include all the leavers in that).
I think he is building a pretty useful squad.

He's chosen some really good players, but they seem to be injury magnets!

Agree about the quality of JK's signings and would add Matt Symons to that list (if, as the strong rumours are suggesting, it's now a done deal)

Just hope he's fully over his own recent injury problems though!

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 15:43
His signings in the second year, and for next year have certainly been better, well we assume they will be better when they all get back from injury.

One thing I'm still not sure on is why we did chuff all signings wise in JK's first year. Most new DORs might say that they need a year to get to know who is in their plans, but that cannot have been the reason for JK and co.

I do agree generally that a DOR needs at least 2/3 years to turn things around, although as I've said before I think JK deservedly gets shorter shrift than that by the fact that he was part of the regime in the first place.

I think 2 years is enough time to put things in process that start to show improvements, so if we end up finishing 9th this season I'm not sure how anyone will show that is the case.

Big few weeks coming up after tonight's game to make sure that isn't the case.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 16:23
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One thing I'm still not sure on is why we did chuff all signings wise in JK's first year.

Maybe not enough time for him - I can't remember when he was officially announced as taking over from COS. I guess there could be other reasons why he'd want to actually be in the job before he started looking at signings.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
Boonie (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 16:34
Depends also on the length of contracts of the then current squad, and how much was available to spend.



"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to bleat about it all over the internet"

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 16:47
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One thing I'm still not sure on is why we did chuff all signings wise in JK's first year.

Maybe not enough time for him - I can't remember when he was officially announced as taking over from COS. I guess there could be other reasons why he'd want to actually be in the job before he started looking at signings.

Well either one of two things happened.

1. As the board have said, he was 'always our first choice' meaning he had plenty of time to sort out signings etc.

2. The board were talking nonsense and we were always looking for someone else but had to fall back on JK, meaning he didn't get a lot of time to sort things out.

I'm not sure which is worse from a club management perspective, but if it was option 2 then perhaps JK is due a bit more slack (with the board copping the blame instead).

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
blucherquin (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 17:11
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talkshowhost86
His signings in the second year, and for next year have certainly been better, well we assume they will be better when they all get back from injury.
One thing I'm still not sure on is why we did chuff all signings wise in JK's first year. Most new DORs might say that they need a year to get to know who is in their plans, but that cannot have been the reason for JK and co.

I do agree generally that a DOR needs at least 2/3 years to turn things around, although as I've said before I think JK deservedly gets shorter shrift than that by the fact that he was part of the regime in the first place.

I think 2 years is enough time to put things in process that start to show improvements, so if we end up finishing 9th this season I'm not sure how anyone will show that is the case.

Big few weeks coming up after tonight's game to make sure that isn't the case.

He said we were spent up to the cap when he took over. So presumably he had no room to move.

I hated his appointment but now will give him until end of next year. Good signings, changed method of play and I don’t think you can blame him for O’Shea’s failures in signings and contracts.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 17:17
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blucherquin
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talkshowhost86
His signings in the second year, and for next year have certainly been better, well we assume they will be better when they all get back from injury.
One thing I'm still not sure on is why we did chuff all signings wise in JK's first year. Most new DORs might say that they need a year to get to know who is in their plans, but that cannot have been the reason for JK and co.

I do agree generally that a DOR needs at least 2/3 years to turn things around, although as I've said before I think JK deservedly gets shorter shrift than that by the fact that he was part of the regime in the first place.

I think 2 years is enough time to put things in process that start to show improvements, so if we end up finishing 9th this season I'm not sure how anyone will show that is the case.

Big few weeks coming up after tonight's game to make sure that isn't the case.

He said we were spent up to the cap when he took over. So presumably he had no room to move.

I hated his appointment but now will give him until end of next year. Good signings, changed method of play and I don’t think you can blame him for O’Shea’s failures in signings and contracts.

I agree about the signings and I don't blame him for O'Shea's failures in signings certainly (although he is culpable elsewhere for the problems in that regime).

If he was given the job at a point where he couldn't change anything then that's the fault of the board.

Personally I disagree about method of play other than our defence being worse, but I do agree that in terms of squad building he's doing a lot more than COS did.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
blucherquin (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 19:12
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talkshowhost86
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Quinten Poulsen
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One thing I'm still not sure on is why we did chuff all signings wise in JK's first year.

Maybe not enough time for him - I can't remember when he was officially announced as taking over from COS. I guess there could be other reasons why he'd want to actually be in the job before he started looking at signings.

Well either one of two things happened.

1. As the board have said, he was 'always our first choice' meaning he had plenty of time to sort out signings etc.

2. The board were talking nonsense and we were always looking for someone else but had to fall back on JK, meaning he didn't get a lot of time to sort things out.

I'm not sure which is worse from a club management perspective, but if it was option 2 then perhaps JK is due a bit more slack (with the board copping the blame instead).

How did he have “plenty of time” if no contracts were up for players he wants rid of and we were spent to the cap?

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 19:19
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talkshowhost86
Quote:
Quinten Poulsen
Quote:
One thing I'm still not sure on is why we did chuff all signings wise in JK's first year.

Maybe not enough time for him - I can't remember when he was officially announced as taking over from COS. I guess there could be other reasons why he'd want to actually be in the job before he started looking at signings.

Well either one of two things happened.

1. As the board have said, he was 'always our first choice' meaning he had plenty of time to sort out signings etc.

2. The board were talking nonsense and we were always looking for someone else but had to fall back on JK, meaning he didn't get a lot of time to sort things out.

3. None of the above.


Fixed it for you.

I'm thinking option 3.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
kevin (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 19:58
I just do not believe Bayfield. He has never run a club and it seems a rather uninformed opinion.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
quinsfan123 (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 20:00
We are getting absolutely hammered by Saints - embarrassing.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
DOK (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 20:47
And there's even a thread for you to mention it on! smiling smiley

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
quinsfan123 (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 21:23
Well Kingston's so called squad players are a shambles. Same old, same old, as soon as we lose our internationals go there isn't the quality or leadership to make a good fist of it.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
blucherquin (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 21:24
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quinsfan123
Well Kingston's so called squad players are a shambles. Same old, same old, as soon as we lose our internationals go there isn't the quality or leadership to make a good fist of it.

Remind me which of his signings beyond scrum half injury cover were at fault tonight?

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
raedarius (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 21:41
Dave Lewis. That's it though.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
kevin (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 21:50
JK is in overall control. He left coaches in charge for build up? Then he should act on the basics let us down by addressing those building for this display . But i doubt we will know if that will happen.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 21:51
We need to know what you mean before we know if it happens or not!

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 22:01
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Quinten Poulsen
We need to know what you mean before we know if it happens or not!

Yep, I'm struggling to translate that as well...

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
blucherquin (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 22:07
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Quinky Kin
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Quinten Poulsen
We need to know what you mean before we know if it happens or not!

Yep, I'm struggling to translate that as well...

He’ll probably take great offence at this.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
kevin (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 22:10
For those of poor comprehension.
“You are in charge for this game. Jk
“ ok boss we will accept responsibility for your trust in us” et al
“ we failed miserably sorry” et al
“ then get yourselves sorted for future games” jk
I’m not a SEN specialist!

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
blucherquin (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 22:11
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kevin
For those of poor comprehension.
“You are in charge for this game. Jk
“ ok boss we will accept responsibility for your trust in us” et al
“ we failed miserably sorry” et al
“ then get yourselves sorted for future games” jk
I’m not a SEN specialist!

Nope. Not a clue.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
kevin (IP Logged)
02 February, 2018 22:21
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blucherquin
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kevin
For those of poor comprehension.
“You are in charge for this game. Jk
“ ok boss we will accept responsibility for your trust in us” et al
“ we failed miserably sorry” et al
“ then get yourselves sorted for future games” jk
I’m not a SEN specialist!

Nope. Not a clue.
I realise now.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
03 February, 2018 07:41
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blucherquin
Quote:
kevin
For those of poor comprehension.
“You are in charge for this game. Jk
“ ok boss we will accept responsibility for your trust in us” et al
“ we failed miserably sorry” et al
“ then get yourselves sorted for future games” jk
I’m not a SEN specialist!

Nope. Not a clue.

Ditto. Is it a code?

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
03 February, 2018 21:59
No, just the ramblings of an Internet discussion board sociopath...

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
kevin (IP Logged)
04 February, 2018 22:45
Quote:
Bolly-Quin
No, just the ramblings of an Internet discussion board sociopath...
This place just gets so bizarre!
Still got KY jelly on your mind?

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
blucherquin (IP Logged)
05 February, 2018 14:38
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kevin
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Bolly-Quin
No, just the ramblings of an Internet discussion board sociopath...
This place just gets so bizarre!
Still got KY jelly on your mind?

Kev - genuinely - do not understand your posts on this thread. Nor do they.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
kevin (IP Logged)
06 February, 2018 20:44
Yet you don’t question a post about KY jelly? Perverts.
So I’ll cut it short for those of lower ability.
Our DOR leaves build up to game to rest of coaching staff.
Disaster follows.
Ultimately DOR to take remedial action for his poor delegation.
Savvy? Now let’s see response.
Btw it’s kevin, not kev!

I honestly don’t know anyone but me does not question the rather weird ref to ky jelly by another poster! Strange

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
quinsfan123 (IP Logged)
06 February, 2018 21:27
If JK is to sort out our squad then we need a world beater of an 8 and a new 2 not a bloody Max Crumpton. Brown probably has 2/3 seasons left in him so should be searching for a replacement 15 now.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
06 February, 2018 21:36
Quote:
blucherquin
Quote:
kevin
Quote:
Bolly-Quin
No, just the ramblings of an Internet discussion board sociopath...
This place just gets so bizarre!
Still got KY jelly on your mind?

Kev - genuinely - do not understand your posts on this thread. Nor do they.

It's not getting any easier.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
07 February, 2018 07:46
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kevin
Yet you don’t question a post about KY jelly? Perverts.
So I’ll cut it short for those of lower ability.
Our DOR leaves build up to game to rest of coaching staff.
Disaster follows.
Ultimately DOR to take remedial action for his poor delegation.
Savvy? Now let’s see response.
Btw it’s kevin, not kev!

I honestly don’t know anyone but me does not question the rather weird ref to ky jelly by another poster! Strange


To quote Hammy from "Over the Hedge",...."but I'm not stupid..."



If at first you don't succeed, Try, Try and Try again.

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
blucherquin (IP Logged)
07 February, 2018 10:34
Dime Bar?

 
Re: “JK’s squad”
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
07 February, 2018 13:36
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blucherquin
Dime Bar?

Tree house?


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