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French “head injuries”
blucherquin (IP Logged)
03 February, 2018 20:04
A new low?

 
Re: French “head injuries”
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
03 February, 2018 20:39
A new low for the official match medic maybe. It was pretty farcical.

 
Re: French “head injuries”
Bedfordshire Boy (IP Logged)
03 February, 2018 20:50
Pretty obvious that Nigel Owens didn`t believe that it was an HIA, thought the player might at least have had the good grace to walk off holding his head rather than hobbling.

 
Re: French “head injuries”
QuickerQuin (IP Logged)
03 February, 2018 21:13
Didn't do them much good.

 
Re: French �head injuries�
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
03 February, 2018 21:24
Ridiculous but not sure who's to blame.

The whole HIA system is still a bit flawed but not sure what they need to do to stop people taking advantage.

 
Re: French “head injuries”
Samquin (IP Logged)
03 February, 2018 22:04
The French medic called HIA twice in this match for 2 unrelated injuries. Very similar to the Supposed prop head injury last season. The FRU are making a mockery of the rules in place to protect players.

 
Re: French “head injuries”
Rocker (IP Logged)
03 February, 2018 22:29
Maybe they need to have an impartial medic like with refs? I agree it was farcical but if they have an "independent" wrfu medical officer the ref has to listen to him. There's also the problem that the medic won't want to be sued of he gets an hia call wrong and someone gets a bad result from a head injury.

 
Re: French “head injuries”
Boffboy (IP Logged)
04 February, 2018 07:15
Not sure any Quins supporters are any position to talk about cheating with substitutes

 
Re: French “head injuries”
hamptonquin (IP Logged)
04 February, 2018 08:05
Au contraire mon ami. Au contraire.

 
Re: French “head injuries”
raedarius (IP Logged)
04 February, 2018 08:44
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Boffboy
Not sure any Quins supporters are any position to talk about cheating with substitutes

Just so we're clear, how many generations of our families are also not allowed to talk about cheating?

Should we not have talked about cheating after Bloodgate? If I remember correctly, one or two of us did. If so, to whom should we apologise?

 
Re: French “head injuries”
blucherquin (IP Logged)
04 February, 2018 09:14
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Boffboy
Not sure any Quins supporters are any position to talk about cheating with substitutes

Yes mon chere. Bless you, you’re a cutie.

 
Re: French “head injuries”
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
04 February, 2018 09:15
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raedarius
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Boffboy
Not sure any Quins supporters are any position to talk about cheating with substitutes

Just so we're clear, how many generations of our families are also not allowed to talk about cheating?

Should we not have talked about cheating after Bloodgate? If I remember correctly, one or two of us did. If so, to whom should we apologise?

In North Korea they sentence three generations of a family for certain crimes. I doubt that's enough for some people though.

I guess Leicester fans also can't speak about cheating? Saints fans can't talk about acts of violence? Sarries fans can't mention the salary cap? Wasps can't mention London?

I hope Boffboy never had a speeding ticket or a parking fine... Not unless he was subsequently banned from driving for life.

 
Re: French �head injuries�
T-Bone (IP Logged)
04 February, 2018 21:24
In the game, Owens was asking someone if it was the match doctor who said it was a hia. Is that an independent doctor or does each team have one? First injury I thought he might have taken a knock on the way down. Second one was ridiculous. I'd say as blatant as bloodgate

 
Re: French “head injuries”
Barnetsarrie12 (IP Logged)
04 February, 2018 21:26
The First one could have been an HIA, I agree with T-Bone, the second one was a joke, that was in no way an HIA. This is now 2 seasons in a row that the french have done this and it should be stopped, every injury for them now is an HIA so they have enough time to treat the player and get him back on the field. I was supporting France yesterday until that incident, it makes a mockery of the rules and blatant cheating should always be discouraged.

 
Re: French “head injuries”
blucherquin (IP Logged)
04 February, 2018 21:45
It’s an independent doctor.

6 Nations is now investigating.

 
Re: French “head injuries”
thomh (IP Logged)
04 February, 2018 22:12
Is it an independent doctor who gets their information from the team doctors/physios? That would make a bit of a mockery of the system.

 
Re: French “head injuries”
kevin (IP Logged)
04 February, 2018 22:24
Head injury related to injury to leg episode or previous incident? Any uncertainty as to when head injury did actually occur? Would a doctor risk getting decision incorrect? Backlash?

 
Re: French “head injuries”
Robertquin (IP Logged)
04 February, 2018 23:11
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kevin
Head injury related to injury to leg episode or previous incident? Any uncertainty as to when head injury did actually occur? Would a doctor risk getting decision incorrect? Backlash?

I must admit that's what I was thinking. If a player is limping but claims he's banged his head no doctor is going to refuse a head injury assessment.

 
Re: French �head injuries�
T-Bone (IP Logged)
04 February, 2018 23:59
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Robertquin
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kevin
Head injury related to injury to leg episode or previous incident? Any uncertainty as to when head injury did actually occur? Would a doctor risk getting decision incorrect? Backlash?

I must admit that's what I was thinking. If a player is limping but claims he's banged his head no doctor is going to refuse a head injury assessment.

Yep, no doctor, ref or official is going to risk calling a player's bluff or getting it wrong

Not sure there's any suggestion the player claimed to need a hia on this occasion but you can see how it might creep in



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/02/2018 00:01 by T-Bone.

 
Re: French �head injuries�
QuickerQuin (IP Logged)
05 February, 2018 06:29
He was an independent doctor....who just happened to be French.

AIUI.

 
Re: French “head injuries”
blucherquin (IP Logged)
05 February, 2018 07:54
The doctor doesnt liaise with team doctor over the decision apparently. So it’s all very odd.

 
Re: French “head injuries”
Boffboy (IP Logged)
05 February, 2018 08:18
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blucherquin
The doctor doesnt liaise with team doctor over the decision apparently. So it’s all very odd.
Why would he feel it necessary to do so . He is a professional and can make his own decisions surely

 
Re: French “head injuries”
blucherquin (IP Logged)
05 February, 2018 09:02
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Boffboy
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blucherquin
The doctor doesnt liaise with team doctor over the decision apparently. So it’s all very odd.
Why would he feel it necessary to do so . He is a professional and can make his own decisions surely

I was answering the question above about how it works.

I don’t mean it’s odd they don’t liaise.

It’s odd that HIA decisions were made apparently in the absence of evidence. 2nd one could have been based on Nigel's hand signal. But can’t see how first one became HIA.

 
Re: French “head injuries”
never sleep (IP Logged)
05 February, 2018 09:33
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blucherquin
based on Nigel's hand signal.

My thoughts were that the second one had to be checked for HIA based on the hand signal given by Owen. I know that on review of the video it looked like a knee injury - but, the first call by the ref was for HIA.


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