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Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
07 February, 2018 16:34
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Yes, and JK has done neither

You seriously believe that there was no medical, no due diligence?

Not sure how they did - he’s currently injured.

You can do a medical on an injured person. That's how you assess the injury.

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
T-Bone (IP Logged)
07 February, 2018 16:35
To me denying that his injury record is something of a concern shows a level of blind faith in JK and inability to be remotely objective about him generally that is just as silly as those who scream "JK out" at every opportunity.

Hopefully he'll come good and be a great signing, but it is clearly a big risk.

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
Cookie (IP Logged)
07 February, 2018 16:38
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Yes, and JK has done neither

You seriously believe that there was no medical, no due diligence?

Not sure how they did - he’s currently injured.

You can do a medical on an injured person. That's how you assess the injury.

Only if there's an urgent need e.g. to make a transfer deadline. Where's the urgency here?

As T-Bone says, some comments need to be filed under 'Blind Faith'.

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
07 February, 2018 16:39
To me, the suggestion that any professional sports club would sign a player without a medical and due diligence, is blind criticism and shows a greater inability to be objective. This isn't about JK, it's about Harlequins.

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
T-Bone (IP Logged)
07 February, 2018 16:47
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To me, the suggestion that any professional sports club would sign a player without a medical and due diligence, is blind criticism and shows a greater inability to be objective. This isn't about JK, it's about Harlequins.

Alex Ferguson signed some chap, Bebe I think, without any DD.

I'm not for one moment saying I don't think the club have done DD and given him a medical, but just think that injury record is a big risk. As you say, it depends a lot on what those injuries are, but even if they're all unrelated, it would at least suggest he's rather injury prone. Who knows, they could all be freak and very minor injuries.

Pointing out that a player who has a track record of injuries is not criticismof DoR or club, in the same way that pointing out that such and such a player has never managed to be first choice for their previous clubs is not necessarily a criticism of DoR or club, just an observation.

JK's track record on signings is so far pretty good, and would be better still if three of the big ones hadn't suffered bad injuries, so I'm more than happy to acknowledge that, but stuill think this is a risk. Ho hum

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
Cookie (IP Logged)
07 February, 2018 16:50
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To me, the suggestion that any professional sports club would sign a player without a medical and due diligence, is blind criticism and shows a greater inability to be objective. This isn't about JK, it's about Harlequins.

Not blind criticism. And not calling out JK.

But can you explain what the urgency was to sign someone currently injured?

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
07 February, 2018 16:56
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To me denying that his injury record is something of a concern shows a level of blind faith in JK and inability to be remotely objective about him generally that is just as silly as those who scream "JK out" at every opportunity.
Hopefully he'll come good and be a great signing, but it is clearly a big risk.

Quite.

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
07 February, 2018 17:32
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To me, the suggestion that any professional sports club would sign a player without a medical and due diligence, is blind criticism and shows a greater inability to be objective. This isn't about JK, it's about Harlequins.

Not blind criticism. And not calling out JK.

But can you explain what the urgency was to sign someone currently injured?

Interest from elsewhere in him??

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
Steve05 (IP Logged)
07 February, 2018 18:26
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Surely they had access to the info Pat Lam is quoting.
Would anyone employ someone with a sick record like that to do any job (apart from Quins of course!!)
RleQ

Ok so lets think rationally here, The lad has been released from a club mid-season, who has released a very blunt statement regarding his release. Something has obviously gone on here and it mustn't be as amicable as it has been made out to be. Lets also be reminded that players sign contracts, Max wouldn't have been able to just 'decide' to leave Bristol like some of you are insinuating, this would have had to have been initiated by Bristol. They're reasons for release are unknown, but i don't think we should delve too deeply into statements and comments made by a club who have just released a player. I will remind you, a player that has made 51 appearances, 18 tries. A pretty decent record for a hooker! Give the kid a chance instead of pre judging him and lets see how he does for us. He played all age levels for England, and maybe just hasn't been given the exposure he deserves at Bristol.

With regards to injuries, i think we should look at this in more detail. Pat Lam stated he has had 12 injuries since being with them? So, from a bit of research i can see he has had two 'serious' injuries. First being a knee injury back in December 2014 which ruled him out for 5 months and then another knee injury this season from Sept til now, another 4/5 months. Those two in itself are the approx 272 days, so whatever the other 10 injuries he felt relevant to mention, they were clearly only niggles and nothing to be concerned about. Look at facts before judging a young player, whom from his actual playing record look rather promising!!

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
T-Bone (IP Logged)
07 February, 2018 20:48
People aren't writing him off in terms of his ability, just stating that his injury record is a concern. Not sure why that is do controversial or how it suggests we're looking for any old stick to beat the club with

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
kevin (IP Logged)
07 February, 2018 21:41
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Surely they had access to the info Pat Lam is quoting.
Would anyone employ someone with a sick record like that to do any job (apart from Quins of course!!)
RleQ

Ok so lets think rationally here, The lad has been released from a club mid-season, who has
Are you his agent?

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
blucherquin (IP Logged)
07 February, 2018 23:58
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Surely they had access to the info Pat Lam is quoting.
Would anyone employ someone with a sick record like that to do any job (apart from Quins of course!!)
RleQ

Ok so lets think rationally here, The lad has been released from a club mid-season, who has
Are you his agent?

And if you are, has he considered Sunbury as a place to live?

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
fandg2 (IP Logged)
08 February, 2018 08:20
I haven't seen my thought posted here, so thought I'd just throw my bit in. I guess we are actually paying him?

It may be that JK has just thrown him a lifeline that's costing us zip but may pay dividends if 'we' can get him fit to play. Only needs a clause in his contract ie paid so much IF fit.

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
08 February, 2018 11:56
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To be fair, 272 days out from June 2014 (between 1250-1300 days in total) is not that bad, and must be in the fairly average allowance for rugby player injuries.
But 165 days out in six months (that's basically the entire time) is a concern, particularly when that's come from 4 different injuries rather than one long term injury.

But as I've said...4th/5th choice hooker probably so I imagine we've just taken a bit of a gamble that he'll be fine in the long term.

The season is not 365 days a year.

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
08 February, 2018 13:39
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To me, the suggestion that any professional sports club would sign a player without a medical and due diligence, is blind criticism and shows a greater inability to be objective. This isn't about JK, it's about Harlequins.

Not blind criticism. And not calling out JK.

But can you explain what the urgency was to sign someone currently injured?

No. But we don't know if it was urgency, or if there have been discussions going on for a long time. He was released with immediate effect - that's Bristol's decision. Quins may have been looking to sign him from next season, but brought that forward to provide emergency cover, or to get him fit and training with the squad sooner.

None of us know, and we likely never will. He may turn out to be just not good enough, or injury prone, or fourth choice and rarely seen; he may also find the inspiration and coaching that he needs, and become the next Keith Wood. Time will tell.

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
fandg2 (IP Logged)
08 February, 2018 14:29
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......and become the next Keith Wood. Time will tell.

Oh, don't get me dreaming ;-)

Good post as well

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
never sleep (IP Logged)
08 February, 2018 16:09
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......and become the next Keith Wood. Time will tell.

Oh, don't get me dreaming ;-)

Good post as well

Its a pity he isn't a prop - then he could have been the next John Kingston :-)

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
RleQuin (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 00:09
I reckon Bristol couldn’t believe that anyone wanted him!
The whole thing makes no sense at all to me.
This is just the latest in a long line of “Harlequins is excited to announce the signing of....” another injured player.
Surely you are better off signing someone who is fit and able?
RleQ

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 06:45
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To be fair, 272 days out from June 2014 (between 1250-1300 days in total) is not that bad, and must be in the fairly average allowance for rugby player injuries.
But 165 days out in six months (that's basically the entire time) is a concern, particularly when that's come from 4 different injuries rather than one long term injury.

But as I've said...4th/5th choice hooker probably so I imagine we've just taken a bit of a gamble that he'll be fine in the long term.

The season is not 365 days a year.

True but I'm not sure if Lam is making that distinction.

Obviously it's even more worrying if he was.

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 08:57
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I reckon Bristol couldn’t believe that anyone wanted him!

You think they seemed glad to be rid of him?

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
Cookie (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 11:54
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I reckon Bristol couldn’t believe that anyone wanted him!

You think they seemed glad to be rid of him?

Teams don't let players go mid-season. Unless..........

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 13:36
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I reckon Bristol couldn’t believe that anyone wanted him!

You think they seemed glad to be rid of him?

Teams don't let players go mid-season. Unless..........

They didn't seem too happy to me. Players may be released for a number of reasons. Perhaps they're saving money, and if he's not playing that make perfect sense. Or they could be sending a message to others that they don't like talks going on mid-season. I guess we'll never know.

 
Re: Quins sign Max Crumpton
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 13:37
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......and become the next Keith Wood. Time will tell.

Oh, don't get me dreaming ;-)

Good post as well

Thank you smileys with beer

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