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Team vs Wasps
WellingQuin (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 12:02
HARLEQUINS HAS NAMED THE MATCHDAY 23 TO PLAY WASPS RUGBY IN ROUND 14 OF THE AVIVA PREMIERSHIP AT THE STOOP (SUNDAY 11TH FEBRUARY, KICK-OFF 13:00).

There are nine changes to the starting 15 that lost to Northampton Saints last weekend.

Following his recent contract renewal, Tim Visser is named to start on the left wing, Jamie Roberts partners Joe Marchant in the centres and Marcus Smith comes in at fly-half.

There is a completely different front five - featuring a return from injury for Kyle Sinckler - while Mat Luamanu is named at Number Eight. Dave Ward takes over captaincy duties as James Horwill picked up a knock in last week's match against Northampton.

Ahead of the match, Harlequins Director of Rugby, John Kingston said: "Last month's match against Wasps was an absolute belter. For us to come back in the way that we did showed fantastic belief and desire, but we know they're a good side and they'll pose a huge threat on the weekend again.

"The next three home games against Wasps, Newcastle and Bath are going to have a significant impact on whether we will be able to sustain a genuine challenge for the top four. The crowd was massive in getting the team over the line a few weeks ago, so we need them right behind the side from the very first minute."

Harlequins squad to face Wasps (Harlequins appearances)

15. Ross Chisholm (88)
14. Alofa Alofa (47)
13. Joe Marchant (48)
12. Jamie Roberts (46)
11. Tim Visser (53)
10. Marcus Smith (19)
9. Dave Lewis (9)

1. Lewis Boyce (13)
2. Dave Ward (Captain, 135)
3. Kyle Sinckler (113)
4. Ben Glynn (17)
5. Charlie Matthews (156)
6. James Chisholm (50)
7. Luke Wallace (154)
8. Mat Luamanu (60)

16. Joe Gray (144)
17. Mark Lambert (225)
18. Will Collier (118)
19. Stan South (11)
20. Archie White (15)
21. Jono Kitto (6)
22. Ian Prior (5)
23. Aaron Morris (14)

 
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WellingQuin (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 12:03
Quartet return to boost Wasps' Premiership hopes
James Gaskell captains Wasps at Harlequins when the Aviva Premiership resumes on Sunday following a four-week break.
The matchday 23 named by rugby director Dai Young is boosted by the return from injury of Jimmy Gopperth, Matt Mullan, Gaby Lovobalavu and Nathan Hughes.

This quartet are joined on a power-packed bench by Ashley Johnson, Joe Simpson, Marty Moore and Tommy Taylor.

Last week’s Anglo-Welsh Cup man-of-the-match Jack Willis shifts from No.8 to the blindside flank, while Tom Cruse, who picked up the same award following the recent European Cup win over Ulster, starts at hooker.

Behind the scrum, Young makes only one change to the line-up that claimed a bonus point success over the Northern Irishmen.

This sees fit-again Josh Bassett, who claimed an Anglo-Welsh brace from the bench against Leicester last Sunday, selected on the left wing.

Young said the round 14 clash launches a sequence which he believes could define Wasps’ season.

“We have a block of four games now which will pretty much determine where we're going to sit in the league,” he said.

“If we can get the results we want we should be sitting comfortably in the top four after which we can push for the top two in the last three or four games.

“But if we don't get these results right, we're probably going to be fighting to get into that top four.

“When we played at the Stoop last month we dominated the game for 55 minutes, then let it slip, so it is essential we play for the full 80 minutes against them tomorrow.

“That result also knocked us out of Europe. The boys will carry that hurt with them this week and if we play to the best of our ability we're more than capable of going anywhere and winning.”

Wasps team to play Harlequins

15. Willie Le Roux

14. Christian Wade

13. Juan De Jongh

12. Kyle Eastmond

11. Josh Bassett

10. Danny Cipriani

9. Dan Robson

1. Simon McIntyre

2. Tom Cruse

3. Jake Cooper-Woolley

4. James Gaskell ©

5. Kearnan Myall

6. Jack Willis

7. Thomas Young

8. Guy Thompson

Replacements:

16. Tommy Taylor

17. Matt Mullan

18. Marty Moore

19. Nathan Hughes

20. Ashley Johnson

21. Joe Simpson

22. Jimmy Gopperth

23. Gaby Lovobalavu

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 12:21
Looks a very strong Quins team considering the time of year and our injuries.

Player for player I'd say we should have the edge, so no excuse for not winning this one.

Having said that we'll have to get it done early, as we don't have a lot coming off the bench. So if we get off to our customary slow start then we could be in trouble.

But overall I'm confident. Should be a Quins win. COYQ!

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
euroquin (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 12:24
As good as it could be, given 6N callups and injuries. We look a bit underpowered at lock.

That Wasps bench is a bit scary.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 12:34
Lock, half backs a concern. Would rather start Kitto.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
T-Bone (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 12:37
Sinckelr back already is great, as I thought he was meant to be out for most of the 6N.

No Horwill or Twomey is a shame.

No Cat or Saili not remotely surprising.

Lewis ahead of Kitto I find baffling.

Is Lang injured? Assume he must be.

Actually a much stronger team than I expected. Strong backline bar 9, and strong scrum. Forward replacements are decent, backs look a bit less convincing, but I'd have Kitto starting, and Morris is a decent option. Not sure I've seen Prior at 10 yet.

Really looking forward to this. My first game at the Stoop this year.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 12:49
It is a shame not to see Horwill and Twomey, but I suppose both must not be at the level of fitness required for a Premiership game yet.

Lang being out is a shame, but I actually don't think he'd have been in that starting team anyawy. Would have been nice to to have to rely on our 5th choice scrum half to cover the back line though.

I'm not sure I understand everyone's issue with Lewis. I know a lot of people were down on him when he joined, but I haven't seen him do a lot wrong in the few games he's played so far.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
oakhaven (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 13:07
Re Lewis, his pass is demonstrably slower than our other 9s and he doesn't appear to offer much of a running threat - from what I've seen of Kitto, both here at when he was at Leicester, he's definitely a step up from Lewis. Bizarre decision imo.

Shame about Horwill and Twomey. I fear our scrum may go backwards all game, but hope I'm wrong!

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 13:10
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oakhaven
Re Lewis, his pass is demonstrably slower than our other 9s and he doesn't appear to offer much of a running threat - from what I've seen of Kitto, both here at when he was at Leicester, he's definitely a step up from Lewis. Bizarre decision imo.
Shame about Horwill and Twomey. I fear our scrum may go backwards all game, but hope I'm wrong!

I'm not sure I've seen that from Lewis in the few appearances he's had, and think he actually takes fewer steps with the ball than Care. Agree about his lack of running game though.

I also agree that Kitto has looked good so would be happy for him to come on early if needed.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
DamonQuins (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 13:11
Lewis was v poor against Northampton last week and worries me. Kitto has far more exp especially next to Smith!

2nd row issues too....Our front 3 look good but I'm worried....

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 13:15
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DamonQuins
Lewis was v poor against Northampton last week and worries me. Kitto has far more exp especially next to Smith!
2nd row issues too....Our front 3 look good but I'm worried....

I didn't see much of the Saints game so fair enough if that's where the criticism is coming from.

As for the second row, I'd say there's enough there to make our lineout secure, but not a lot of 'go-forward' in either player.

I still think it's more than a strong enough team to beat Wasps, and if we don't it will be a disappointing result at home.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Stooperman (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 13:22
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RodneyRegis
Lock, half backs a concern. Would rather start Kitto.

That was my first thought looking at the teams too. Why start Lewis not Kitto, Kitto is a much much better scrum half than Lewis!

My second thought was blimey look at their bench. We had better get an early lead or we are in serious trouble.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
oakhaven (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 13:43
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talkshowhost86
and think he actually takes fewer steps with the ball than Care

Quite possibly - I'm talking more about the actual speed at which the ball travels, rather than how long he takes to pass. Every time I've seen him play for us, the ball has looped to our 10 rather than having the degree of "zip" you'd expect/hope for.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 13:43
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DamonQuins
Lewis was v poor against Northampton last week and worries me. Kitto has far more exp especially next to Smith!

There's no denying he didn't look good, but in fairness he was behind a pack that was struggling and didn't get a huge amount of clean ball.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
SiBolton (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 13:45
“ No excuse not to get a win” you are havin* a laugh
Their bench is V strong, as other have said can’t understand Kitto not starting
Going along in hope more than expectation

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Only Joe Quin (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 13:45
To me, Kitto always looks very busy on the field, but I'm not sure it's always to great effect. I wouldn't really rate him on game management from what I've seen.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Cookie (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 14:01
Lang paying for his poor defence last week?

Horwill seems to be starting to miss games regularly.

We'll need our starting XV to win this for us. Their bench is formidable. Ours isn't.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
akb1 (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 14:03
Quote:
Sinckelr back already is great, as I thought he was meant to be out for most of the 6N.
Yeah I am sure someone said he was out with a hamstring injury for 8 weeks. Good he is back

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 14:10
Quote:
SiBolton
� No excuse not to get a win� you are havin* a laugh
Their bench is V strong, as other have said can�t understand Kitto not starting
Going along in hope more than expectation

There shouldn't be a big gap between the teams. Reckon our starting XV is stronger and their bench is stronger.

So with home advantage we should win in my view and a loss would be a disappointment.

If we don't win any very slim hope of top 4 has gone (personally I think it's gone anyway but others have argued otherwise) and I think it would be a fairly big nail in the coffin of any top 6 chances.

And that would be an even bigger disappointment.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Cookie (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 14:24
Bookies have Wasps to win by 3.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
The Dead Baron (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 14:28
We're gonna get mullered.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Rocker (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 14:33
As others have said, 9 and 2nd row are the only areas of concern. Backline looks good 10-15, funny due and back row are strong. Just missing a big lump at 4 and a decent 9....

 
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RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 15:56
Quote:
Rocker
As others have said, 9 and 2nd row are the only areas of concern. Backline looks good 10-15, funny due and back row are strong. Just missing a big lump at 4 and a decent 9....

Funny due is better than ever.

 
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Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 15:59
Quote:
Rocker
As others have said, 9 and 2nd row are the only areas of concern. Backline looks good 10-15, funny due and back row are strong. Just missing a big lump at 4 and a decent 9....

I believe our funny due is the best in Premiership.

 
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oakhaven (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 16:37
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Quinky Kin
I believe our funny due is the best in Premiership

Our fantaloupe isn't up to standard though.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
blucherquin (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 17:46
Quote:
Cookie
Lang paying for his poor defence last week?
Horwill seems to be starting to miss games regularly.

We'll need our starting XV to win this for us. Their bench is formidable. Ours isn't.

Horwill has played once - last week - since the end of November if that’s what you mean, but it was just the one injury.

Lang was dreadful but think he took a knock.

Twomey may be as someone said, not back fully after last week - hope that’s the reason because it seems odd not to use him from the bench for example. No mention of an injury reoccurrence so let’s pray.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
The Quin Meister (IP Logged)
09 February, 2018 18:59
Great to see Collier and Sinckler back in the mix.

Lang injured? I think so, it looked like he was protecting his shoulder against Saints.

That Wasps team and bench look seriously strong - an embarrassment of riches. But as we all know, the most expensive teams in sport don't always win.....

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Buzzboy (IP Logged)
10 February, 2018 08:27
May the best team (or bench!) win.
Was gutted at our loss at yours in the European match. Will be a cracking first hour and I hope an even better last 20 for us. Enjoy the England game! And hope it’s another great game on Sunday.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
New Forest Quin (IP Logged)
10 February, 2018 10:12
Quote:
SiBolton
“ No excuse not to get a win” you are havin* a laugh
Their bench is V strong, as other have said can’t understand Kitto not starting
Going along in hope more than expectation

I agree regarding Kitto over Lewis. Starting a player signed as injury cover over a contracted player might have come in to JK's thinking.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
10 February, 2018 10:59
Meh, you play the best players available to you, especially at this stage of the season. I should think jk just rates Lewis, hence the signing.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
10 February, 2018 11:54
Lewis looks pretty decent when he has a good platform, and his play speeds up to suit us. He's not great at exerting any control on the game like Care is though.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
10 February, 2018 13:16
He makes horrific choices. All. The. Time.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:06
Yet another awful start. How did Robson have such a big gap to go through?

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:16
Another daft effort from the restart leaves us two tries down.

And now Visser butchers a potential try.

Maybe we'll wake up after 30 mins again.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:19
Eastmond has to go. Twice!

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:20
Agree, if he does not get sent off for that its a joke x2

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:21
Gone. Good.

Now we genuinely have to win.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:24
Another butchered try.

Wake up Quins!

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:24
Butchery. Pathetic.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Cookie (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:26
Anyone hear what Wardy said? Wasps allege it was serious. Barnes on Ref Link said would be dealt with after the game. Presume racist?

 
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talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:28
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Cookie
Anyone hear what Wardy said? Wasps allege it was serious. Barnes on Ref Link said would be dealt with after the game. Presume racist?

Didn't hear or see that.

Really hope it wasn't something like that.

 
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Quanks (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:28
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Re: Team vs Wasps
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:29
Guess Barnes never heard anything or he would have dealt with it then. Hope nothing out of order was said

 
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HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:30
Murdering these chances!!!

 
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RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:30
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RodneyRegis
Butchery. Pathetic.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:31
And a third try butchered. Comical really.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:35
Get in! Great run from Roberts.

We should win this handsomely from here. Opening them up at will.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:38
Dont count on it. Wasps have some cracking players, more than capable of causing us issues.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:43
Willis is a cracking player

 
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talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:47
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HonkyTonk
Willis is a cracking player

Looks fantastic doesn't he? Is he English?

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:49
Our composure in attack has been woeful.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:51
I make that 5 tries we've left on the pitch in that half.

Ridiculous.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
T-Bone (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:53
Our composite, discipline and defence are dire. Lewis is dreadful. Smith is incredible. Boyce and sink playing well. Butchered so many chances and Barnes is only reffing the breakdown one way

 
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HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:52
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talkshowhost86
Quote:
HonkyTonk
Willis is a cracking player

Looks fantastic doesn't he? Is he English?

Yes, his younger brother plays for the u20s. I did read somewhere that his brother was thought of as the better prospect. Cant be bad for England.

Back to the game, if we could finish we would have BP by now!!!!

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:52
Yep, we should be well in front. Butchered almost everything.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
T-Bone (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 13:59
Assuming James Chisholm won't reappear after half time. We could and should be so far ahead. Good on Barnes for not bottling the red card decision.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:07
Great from Morris. Tremendous assist from the wind.

Now go on to a BP win now Quins.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:15
Our pack has been fairly pathetic so far today. Getting bullied.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:17
Wasps showing us how to score a try.

Pulled apart by 14 men. Oh dear.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
WellingQuin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:17
Very happy kitto is on. Lewis is dreadful to watch.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:19
Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
WellingQuin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:19
Embarrassing to see this against 14 men

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
T-Bone (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:21
Looking forward to the positive spin on this one

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:21
If you try and be neutral, it's quite funny watching us when we play like this. I imagine the benny hill music in my head!!

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
T-Bone (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:23
Conor, injuries or call ups to blame? Another nick easter masterclass.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:24
If ever there was a game to show how poorly we are coached it's this one.

Meanwhile Wasps know what they are doing and have coped with having 14 very well.

Even if we make our way back into this game, this has highlighted how many serious problems we have.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
SussexMightyQuin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:25
Losing 20-12 since the red card. Shocking

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:30
Pretty painful to watch.

If this continues it will be a real low point in our season.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:33
I am fortunate that I have now learnt to not let it ruin my day!!! It helps when you have low expectations

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
RleQuin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:33
Total shambles - same old rubbish.
Still, we CAN make the top four!!! So says Kingston (Sm45)
RleQ

 
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Safri-quin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:34
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HonkyTonk
I am fortunate that I have now learnt to not let it ruin my day!!! It helps when you have low expectations

Never a truer word.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Navyquin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:35
This is absolutely pathetic, against 14 players the majority of the game and we have conceded 5 tries.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:36
Getting absolutely battered by 14 men.

Thank god Eastmond went off otherwise Wasps would be on 60.

Really don't know where we go from here.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
SussexMightyQuin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:36
If anyone in the playing squad or coaching staff take their wages this week they should be ashamed

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
T-Bone (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:37
Blame conor. He told us not to tackle. He told us never to compete in the lineout. He signed Lewis

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