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Re: Team vs Wasps
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:38
At least it is equal numbers, not so bad now!!!!

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:39
I wonder what JK is saying into his Walkie Talkie there.

"I know...I can't believe they gave me a new contract either"

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Dibden (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:40
It is totally beyond me that JK is not prepared to admit we have serious failings defence wise and until these are rectified top 4 is a dream.He is a past master at optimistic spin

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:41
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talkshowhost86
I wonder what JK is saying into his Walkie Talkie there.
"I know...I can't believe they gave me a new contract either"
"yep, I'm thinking blame the injuries too, over and out"

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
blucherquin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:41
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T-Bone
Blame conor. He told us not to tackle. He told us never to compete in the lineout. He signed Lewis

Give up. Conor started to bury us, Kingston has finished the job.

Lewis should never wear the shirt again

And for the record - since Im really bored of your posts - I never said a) Kingston was good or b) Quins were good.

OShea isnt blameless for where we are now.

Kingston is to blame for how much worse weve got.

Maybe you can now post something without the endless oh so funny, Im so good at sarcasm stuff - or maybe not.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Barnetsarrie12 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:42
I think objectively and realistically Quins are very far away from being a top 4 club. Trying to get into the top 6 again this year should be the goal, you are not getting anywhere near the top 4.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
SussexMightyQuin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:43
And the belated comeback begins....

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
ironquin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:44
Rugby players get cauliflower ears but JK has a cauliflower brain!!

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:48
I really hope JK admits after the game that this isn't good enough.

If he tries to put any positive spin on this it will be embarrassing.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
QuinAlan (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:48
Were getting totally Mullered..!!

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:49
JK out. Coaches out. Good night

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
T-Bone (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:50
Deleted as unnecessary and in heat of the moment. Apologies



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/02/2018 15:53 by T-Bone.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
SussexMightyQuin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:50
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HonkyTonk
JK out. Coaches out. Good night

You may have missed some recent news HT

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:51
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JK out. Coaches out. Good night

You may have missed some recent news HT

contracts are there to be broken!!!

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
blucherquin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:51
Never left early before - did today. As did hundreds of others.

Club dont deserve my support.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:54
Ground looks empty, eerie silence

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:58
That finish was brilliant, how to balls up an attack in multiple naff phases!!!

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:59
And we miss the bonus point as well.

Completely inept, completely lacking cohesion, completely lacking any passion.

And we've just signed up our coaching team for presumably at least 2 more years of this.

Really don't know where the club is going at the moment.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Boffboy (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 14:59
THE MELON MUST GO

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
RleQuin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 15:02
Cant fault the effort though
(Sm161)
RleQ

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
blucherquin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 15:04
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Blame conor. He told us not to tackle. He told us never to compete in the lineout. He signed Lewis

Give up. Conor started to bury us, Kingston has finished the job.

Lewis should never wear the shirt again

And for the record - since I�m really bored of your posts - I never said a) Kingston was good or b) Quins were good.

O�Shea isn�t blameless for where we are now.

Kingston is to blame for how much worse we�ve got.

Maybe you can now post something without the endless oh so funny, I�m so good at sarcasm stuff - or maybe not.

Calm down dear. I wasn't addressing you at all. Im sorry you find my posts dull. I'm not that interested in you constantly bragging about how close you live to the stoop but there we go. Cheerio

Yeah I brag about where I live. We had a long exchange about the OShea thing mate - and in this thread youve mentioned it in every post.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/02/2018 15:07 by blucherquin.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
QuinAlan (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 15:04
Gobsmacked, Bemused, Confused, Shocked, & a tad Depressed. What on earth went on there..??? Bit tricky to put any positive spin on that one. Top 6? No chance.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
ironquin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 15:11
JK brought players in so we didn't suffer as much during Autumn Internationals and Six Nations. Quins were at home, Wasps down to 14. It really is embarrassing.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
T-Bone (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 15:13
The really frustrating thing is that this will just be dismissed. Excuses will be found. I obviously have no idea if it's poor coaching or players not following the plan, but that's now two heavy losses and inept performances on the spin, after hopeful talk of turning the corner. We actually had a decent team out. We got worse as the match went on. The lack of composure and discipline and refusal to defend is so disappointing.

Positives were taken from close losses to Sale, falcons and la Rochelle, maybe rightly so but that was abject

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
FleetQuin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 15:14
Clearly the board are happy with mid-table mediocrity (or crap). Kingston's efforts so far are depressing and just feels as if, for the time being and next few years we'll be bottom half of the table. If the board are comfortable with that and the money that does or doesn't bring, then fair enough. However we were dreadful today and there seems little to be cheerful about.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Hellequin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 15:21
Another game where we concede 30+ points. Our defence isn't good enough. We need to bring in coaches who can actually improve the team.

Possibly the biggest crowd clear out before full time I have seen which probably sums up how suppotrees feel at the moment.

Lewis shold never be allowed near a Quins shirt again simply isn't good enough.

Quins only anywhere near decent thanks to the performances of Smith, Visser, Boyce and Luamanu.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
blucherquin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 15:22
Today an absolute breaking point for me

Been giving Kingston time and thought we needed better squad - but today it was all wrong

Not only coaches but players should be utterly ashamed

They had no passion, commitment or clue and i hope they saw the empty stands at the end and felt ashamed - but I doubt it.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
kevin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 15:23
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Clearly the board are happy with mid-table mediocrity ...

Thats being optimistic!

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 15:33
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Today an absolute breaking point for me
Been giving Kingston time and thought we needed better squad - but today it was all wrong

Not only coaches but players should be utterly ashamed

They had no passion, commitment or clue and i hope they saw the empty stands at the end and felt ashamed - but I doubt it.

Snap

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Rocker (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 15:45
I'm glad I was ill and didn't get to the game.
Looked like a total shambles on TV :-(

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
blucherquin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 17:09
From club Twitter

JK: "Wasps put some good rugby together but we did things that we shouldn't be doing. We gave them broken-field ball, and they are lethal.

The stadium was half-empty with 20 minutes to go, and I've made that clear to the lads. (1/2)

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
thomh (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 17:11
From BBC: Harlequins director of rugby John Kingston:

"We've let our supporters and our families down as there was a half-empty stadium with 20 minutes to go and I let the players know my feelings in the changing rooms.

"We should have gone into half-time well ahead but we blew at least three good chances.

"We were level with 30 minutes to go and well set against 14 men but we switched off for a five-minute period and they were pretty lethal."

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Bucksquin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 17:37
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thomh
From BBC: Harlequins director of rugby John Kingston:
"We've let our supporters and our families down as there was a half-empty stadium with 20 minutes to go and I let the players know my feelings in the changing rooms.

"We should have gone into half-time well ahead but we blew at least three good chances.

"We were level with 30 minutes to go and well set against 14 men but we switched off for a five-minute period and they were pretty lethal."

So that's all right then. Just another day at the office.

I look forward to it being "JK's squad" and JK's coaches" so that he has no more excuses left.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
blucherquin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 17:47
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Bucksquin
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thomh
From BBC: Harlequins director of rugby John Kingston:
"We've let our supporters and our families down as there was a half-empty stadium with 20 minutes to go and I let the players know my feelings in the changing rooms.

"We should have gone into half-time well ahead but we blew at least three good chances.

"We were level with 30 minutes to go and well set against 14 men but we switched off for a five-minute period and they were pretty lethal."

So that's all right then. Just another day at the office.

I look forward to it being "JK's squad" and JK's coaches" so that he has no more excuses left.

I want Kingston out and loathe our players for their lack of passion today - but honestly where does he say its all right?

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Bucksquin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 17:49
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blucherquin
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thomh
From BBC: Harlequins director of rugby John Kingston:
"We've let our supporters and our families down as there was a half-empty stadium with 20 minutes to go and I let the players know my feelings in the changing rooms.

"We should have gone into half-time well ahead but we blew at least three good chances.

"We were level with 30 minutes to go and well set against 14 men but we switched off for a five-minute period and they were pretty lethal."

So that's all right then. Just another day at the office.

I look forward to it being "JK's squad" and JK's coaches" so that he has no more excuses left.

I want Kingston out and loathe our players for their lack of passion today - but honestly where does he say its all right?

I didn't say he said it was alright but he grossly understated the manifold problems, didn't he? It was a whole lot more than that quote suggests ...

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 17:53
I don't really care what JK says after the game (well....within reason) if he can sort things out.

It's fairly clear he can't though.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/02/2018 18:13 by talkshowhost86.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
FBQuin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 17:59
Not that I like this sort of thing, but I noticed that when the big screens fed in pictures of JK in his seat from the BT sport feed there were a lot of boos from some in the South Stand! Wonder if our board heard it or were they in a box watching the Jocks V France game?

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Bucksquin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 18:04
No doubt there would have been more boos from the other stands too, if they hadn't been empty by then.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Mayor West (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 18:49
It's odd that nobody has mentioned mr Barnes at all so far. With all the howling coming from the stands and the blank looks from the people around me after numerous descisions I would have thought he would be slated on here. What was wrong with Vissers first try? I'm sure after watching a replay of the game it will be revealed that he was spot on with all the calls.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
DOK (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 18:52
Well, much as I like shouting at Mr Barnes, he's proved on many occasion to actually be right. Our team's problem with him is we don't play the way he referees, and we don't like adapting to him.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
blucherquin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 18:53
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From BBC: Harlequins director of rugby John Kingston:
"We've let our supporters and our families down as there was a half-empty stadium with 20 minutes to go and I let the players know my feelings in the changing rooms.

"We should have gone into half-time well ahead but we blew at least three good chances.

"We were level with 30 minutes to go and well set against 14 men but we switched off for a five-minute period and they were pretty lethal."

So that's all right then. Just another day at the office.

I look forward to it being "JK's squad" and JK's coaches" so that he has no more excuses left.

I want Kingston out and loathe our players for their lack of passion today - but honestly where does he say its all right?

I didn't say he said it was alright but he grossly understated the manifold problems, didn't he? It was a whole lot more than that quote suggests ...

No sure, but its three sentences off the BBC website.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 18:54
Visser grounded ball in front of line and when he tried to replace it, he lost it. Correct call.

Whomever we might think is the worst ref in the NH wouldnt have made a difference this afternoon.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
blucherquin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 19:08
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It's odd that nobody has mentioned mr Barnes at all so far. With all the howling coming from the stands and the blank looks from the people around me after numerous descisions I would have thought he would be slated on here. What was wrong with Vissers first try? I'm sure after watching a replay of the game it will be revealed that he was spot on with all the calls.

Visser dropped it short of the line.

Didnt really get a call wrong that I could see.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Stooperman (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 19:10
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Lewis looks pretty decent when he has a good platform, and his play speeds up to suit us. He's not great at exerting any control on the game like Care is though.

Fantastic analysis, absolutely spot on QP. Lewis is amazingly good

(Sm161)

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
TitusQuin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 19:11
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It's odd that nobody has mentioned mr Barnes at all so far. With all the howling coming from the stands and the blank looks from the people around me after numerous descisions I would have thought he would be slated on here. What was wrong with Vissers first try? I'm sure after watching a replay of the game it will be revealed that he was spot on with all the calls.

Visser dropped it short of the line.

Didnt really get a call wrong that I could see.

Except for the forward pass for their second try which he refused to review. He wasn't good but no way contributed to that dreadful performance

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 19:14
Hardly had a platform though - more like an uninflated lilo in a swimming pool...

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
euroquin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 19:14
Before I gave up watching (after they went to 32 points), I didn't see any reffing decisions I disagreed with.

Unlike in the Scotland v France game. The French got crucified by Lacey (who is consistently awful IMHO).

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Nickevans10 (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 19:16
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Mayor West
It's odd that nobody has mentioned mr Barnes at all so far. With all the howling coming from the stands and the blank looks from the people around me after numerous descisions I would have thought he would be slated on here. What was wrong with Vissers first try? I'm sure after watching a replay of the game it will be revealed that he was spot on with all the calls.

Visser non try was called by the TMO to Mr Barnes so as a ref he is looking for the TMO to help him. As for our sin bin Wayne clearly said to Ward that the next player to infringe goes in the bin. This was after at least 4-5 pens in short succession. Other refs might also have punished Sinckler for the reaction to the Red card tackle.

The ref didnt make our players switch off or make a hash of the 4-5 chances we had in the game!

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 19:41
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Lewis looks pretty decent when he has a good platform, and his play speeds up to suit us. He's not great at exerting any control on the game like Care is though.

Fantastic analysis, absolutely spot on QP. Lewis is amazingly good

(Sm161)

I've already had a word with myself, and actually came quite close to punching myself in the face for penance.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Stooperman (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 22:55
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Lewis looks pretty decent when he has a good platform, and his play speeds up to suit us. He's not great at exerting any control on the game like Care is though.

Fantastic analysis, absolutely spot on QP. Lewis is amazingly good

(Sm161)

I've already had a word with myself, and actually came quite close to punching myself in the face for penance.

(Sm128) Quality riposte!

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
kevin (IP Logged)
11 February, 2018 23:50
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blucherquin
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It's odd that nobody has mentioned mr Barnes at all so far. With all the howling coming from the stands and the blank looks from the people around me after numerous descisions I would have thought he would be slated on here. What was wrong with Vissers first try? I'm sure after watching a replay of the game it will be revealed that he was spot on with all the calls.

Visser dropped it short of the line.

Didnt really get a call wrong that I could see.
His calls are usually correct. But he does get fixated on a particular teams front row, pack , ruck involvement etc which leads to inconsistency. He does tend to offer excuses for his favoured side/ pack/ when questioned.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
12 February, 2018 09:35
Any attempt to place any of the blame on Barnes is laughable to be honest.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Wightwasp (IP Logged)
12 February, 2018 10:36
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Any attempt to place any of the blame on Barnes is laughable to be honest.
Well said I thought he had a good game as usual
Also
Whilst I can understand the anger regarding your team and coaches it might be worth acknowledging that wasps played a great game considering they only had 14 for the majority of the match

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
12 February, 2018 10:38
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Any attempt to place any of the blame on Barnes is laughable to be honest.
Well said I thought he had a good game as usual
Also
Whilst I can understand the anger regarding your team and coaches it might be worth acknowledging that wasps played a great game considering they only had 14 for the majority of the match

Wasps did play well certainly, but you can understand why on this board we would be focusing more on our problems.

At this level, a team with 15 should always beat a team with 14, particularly when it was for that length of time and considering Quins did get it back level at one point. From there they should have gone on to win but instead crumpled to an embarrassing defeat.

So yes...well played Wasps. But I think most other premiership teams would have picked up a win from that position of having the extra man for 65 minutes.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
ChipsteadQuin (IP Logged)
12 February, 2018 15:52
A few facts ...

[www.espn.co.uk]

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
oakhaven (IP Logged)
12 February, 2018 16:36
Thanks CQ. Bizarre stats - about 50% more metres made, more clean breaks, defenders beaten and offloads, and an almost identical tackle success %, yet miles away in terms of the score.

I suppose what can be inferred is:

1) When we make breaks, we squander the chances that are created from them, either through handling errors or giving away turnovers (sustained pressure in first half a prime example).

2) The quality of our kicking left a lot to be desired. Cips controlled the game very well - many of his kicks were probing and either forced our back 3 to turn or managed to find an intelligent touch. Contrast that with our kicking, which was often aimless (both Lewis and Smith guilty here) and gave them a strong platform to either counter-attack or nudge a better kick beyond our retrievers.

3) Our back row got mullered. Wallace was presumably picked as a fetcher but Ward ended up having to do the bulk of the work at the breakdown and kept getting (correctly) penalised. If he's not trying to snaffle ball, or at least help secure our own, I'm not sure what Wallace adds as he certainly doesn't offer the physicality of Luamana, Chisholm, Bothma etc. Not suggesting he shouldn't have been picked - more than he didn't do the job he had been picked for.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Dave L (IP Logged)
12 February, 2018 16:46
Our kicking was woeful yesterday. We coughed it up time after time and they just ran it straight back at us. They made the most of the clean breaks, we managed to squander virtually all of them.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
kentwasp1 (IP Logged)
12 February, 2018 16:55
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From BBC: Harlequins director of rugby John Kingston:
"We've let our supporters and our families down as there was a half-empty stadium with 20 minutes to go and I let the players know my feelings in the changing rooms.

"We should have gone into half-time well ahead but we blew at least three good chances.

"We were level with 30 minutes to go and well set against 14 men but we switched off for a five-minute period and they were pretty lethal."

So that's all right then. Just another day at the office.

I look forward to it being "JK's squad" and JK's coaches" so that he has no more excuses left.

I want Kingston out and loathe our players for their lack of passion today - but honestly where does he say its all right?

Wasps fan in peace. Firstly let me say I was at the Stoop with my son. No way did I see the Quins lads having no passion. I saw myself the pain on their bodies and faces. To say you "loath" them is way bad- they tried and they don't deserve that. . You get good days and bad days and you caught us on a red letter day. We've had bad ones before - against you guys at the Ricoh 17 September last year. I was there and it hurt. It's easy to over-react and I suspect a few here are. I have too after a debacle like this, usually after a few beers.To be honest I felt sorry for your players when whole swathes of your fans left en masse well before the whistle went. One thing we've learnt at Wasps, and I've supported them through the bad times before we went to the Ricoh, is stick together when s''t happens. Ripping players and coaching staff apart gets it off your chest but achieves nothing. Nor does football style mass spectator desertion when things go Pete Tong. Stick together and you'll come good

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
12 February, 2018 16:59
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From BBC: Harlequins director of rugby John Kingston:
"We've let our supporters and our families down as there was a half-empty stadium with 20 minutes to go and I let the players know my feelings in the changing rooms.

"We should have gone into half-time well ahead but we blew at least three good chances.

"We were level with 30 minutes to go and well set against 14 men but we switched off for a five-minute period and they were pretty lethal."

So that's all right then. Just another day at the office.

I look forward to it being "JK's squad" and JK's coaches" so that he has no more excuses left.

I want Kingston out and loathe our players for their lack of passion today - but honestly where does he say its all right?

Wasps fan in peace. Firstly let me say I was at the Stoop with my son. No way did I see the Quins lads having no passion. I saw myself the pain on their bodies and faces. To say you "loath" them is way bad- they tried and they don't deserve that. . You get good days and bad days and you caught us on a red letter day. We've had bad ones before - against you guys at the Ricoh 17 September last year. I was there and it hurt. It's easy to over-react and I suspect a few here are. I have too after a debacle like this, usually after a few beers.To be honest I felt sorry for your players when whole swathes of your fans left en masse well before the whistle went. One thing we've learnt at Wasps, and I've supported them through the bad times before we went to the Ricoh, is stick together when s''t happens. Ripping players and coaching staff apart gets it off your chest but achieves nothing. Nor does football style mass spectator desertion when things go Pete Tong. Stick together and you'll come good

If it was a one-off we wouldn't be at this level of irritation believe me.

That mass exodus yesterday was the first time that's happened since I've been a Quins fan and I think it showed the level of discontent generally, which has only been heightened by the fact that we've just given the regime that has got us into this position contract extensions.

It's easy to criticise other fans for their actions when you've only seen it for one week, but yesterday's outburst of frustration has been coming for about 4 years now.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Raggs (IP Logged)
12 February, 2018 17:04
Wasps went from champions to just avoiding relegation in 4 years. I only joined that story at the bottom but i suspect older members know precisely what you're going through.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Dave L (IP Logged)
12 February, 2018 17:16
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Wasps went from champions to just avoiding relegation in 4 years. I only joined that story at the bottom but i suspect older members know precisely what you're going through.

Firstly, very well played to Wasps yesterday. A fantastic performance when down to 14 after a moment of utter brainlessness from Eastmond.

You guys have been through it too however, Wasps have at least, on the surface it appears never been too afraid to change things. OK, you had some years where things weren't so good recently but there was a sense that you could always turn it around. There is an insularity about Quins these days that utterly frustrates me, things appear too comfortable. Post league win COS went on an Arsene Wenger tunnel vision style of management which became less and less effective season after season. In the last couple of years we've had some utterly humiliating games, Exeter home 2016, most Wembley performances, yesterday, our previous visits to the Ricoh prior to September and I think even the most tolerant supporters are now getting seriously bored of some of the ineptitude on display which is made even more annoying by the really very good performances that they have proved they have in them at times.

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot right about the club, but there's also a lot wrong and the stuff that's wrong shows very little sign of improving in the near future with the same old excuses.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
oakhaven (IP Logged)
12 February, 2018 17:17
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That mass exodus yesterday was the first time that's happened since I've been a Quins fan

Ditto. Even during the horrorshow that was the Edinburgh game last year most people stayed in their seats.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Cookie (IP Logged)
12 February, 2018 17:22
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From BBC: Harlequins director of rugby John Kingston:
"We've let our supporters and our families down as there was a half-empty stadium with 20 minutes to go and I let the players know my feelings in the changing rooms.

"We should have gone into half-time well ahead but we blew at least three good chances.

"We were level with 30 minutes to go and well set against 14 men but we switched off for a five-minute period and they were pretty lethal."

So that's all right then. Just another day at the office.

I look forward to it being "JK's squad" and JK's coaches" so that he has no more excuses left.

I want Kingston out and loathe our players for their lack of passion today - but honestly where does he say its all right?

Wasps fan in peace. Firstly let me say I was at the Stoop with my son. No way did I see the Quins lads having no passion. I saw myself the pain on their bodies and faces. To say you "loath" them is way bad- they tried and they don't deserve that. . You get good days and bad days and you caught us on a red letter day. We've had bad ones before - against you guys at the Ricoh 17 September last year. I was there and it hurt. It's easy to over-react and I suspect a few here are. I have too after a debacle like this, usually after a few beers.To be honest I felt sorry for your players when whole swathes of your fans left en masse well before the whistle went. One thing we've learnt at Wasps, and I've supported them through the bad times before we went to the Ricoh, is stick together when s''t happens. Ripping players and coaching staff apart gets it off your chest but achieves nothing. Nor does football style mass spectator desertion when things go Pete Tong. Stick together and you'll come good

As you have found out, it's always dangerous to go on to another club's forum and misread the level of feeling.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Dave L (IP Logged)
12 February, 2018 17:27
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That mass exodus yesterday was the first time that's happened since I've been a Quins fan

Ditto. Even during the horrorshow that was the Edinburgh game last year most people stayed in their seats.

And there was a fair trickle in the Ulster match. I think that was also driven by the shoddy weather.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
ironquin (IP Logged)
12 February, 2018 18:42
What gets me is we could have won that game when Wasps were down to 14. We dont have the strongest team but while our internationals are away we should have took them to the cleaners.

 
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12 February, 2018 20:21
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From BBC: Harlequins director of rugby John Kingston:
"We've let our supporters and our families down as there was a half-empty stadium with 20 minutes to go and I let the players know my feelings in the changing rooms.

"We should have gone into half-time well ahead but we blew at least three good chances.

"We were level with 30 minutes to go and well set against 14 men but we switched off for a five-minute period and they were pretty lethal."

So that's all right then. Just another day at the office.

I look forward to it being "JK's squad" and JK's coaches" so that he has no more excuses left.

I want Kingston out and loathe our players for their lack of passion today - but honestly where does he say its all right?

Wasps fan in peace. Firstly let me say I was at the Stoop with my son. No way did I see the Quins lads having no passion. I saw myself the pain on their bodies and faces. To say you "loath" them is way bad- they tried and they don't deserve that. . You get good days and bad days and you caught us on a red letter day. We've had bad ones before - against you guys at the Ricoh 17 September last year. I was there and it hurt. It's easy to over-react and I suspect a few here are. I have too after a debacle like this, usually after a few beers.To be honest I felt sorry for your players when whole swathes of your fans left en masse well before the whistle went. One thing we've learnt at Wasps, and I've supported them through the bad times before we went to the Ricoh, is stick together when s''t happens. Ripping players and coaching staff apart gets it off your chest but achieves nothing. Nor does football style mass spectator desertion when things go Pete Tong. Stick together and you'll come good

As you have found out, it's always dangerous to go on to another club's forum and misread the level of feeling.

Au Contraire Blackadder. I haven't - I know you hurt god knows I don't know it. And sorry seems a lots of Wasps here invading your pain. It's also not dangerous. Lets get this in context. Syria is dangerous and people are dying. This was a rugby match when one team played better than the other team, when the same team played better than the other 5 months ago. I'm just trying to get things in perspective and think when your forum posters start saying they "loathe" your players someone, you lot, need to pull them up.
And stay in the seats - or your brave players know you come to watch the good times only - boy did your boys hurt (witness Jamie Roberts humble speech after the match) and left to hurt alone

 
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T-Bone (IP Logged)
12 February, 2018 20:45
Why have people started reminding us that it's a game of rugby, nor Syria? Thank you, but I think we all know that.

I stayed in my seat as I was hanging around afterwards anyway, but if people want to leave early, as long as they are considerate to those still watching, why shouldn't they.

Also, playing badly isn't brave. And there were 23 of them, coaches, non playing squad members, so they didn't hurt alone.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
DOK (IP Logged)
12 February, 2018 22:08
Wasn't the mass exodus because the Scotland game was starting? A couple of the fans leaving early told me that was why they were going.

 
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12 February, 2018 22:18
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Wasn't the mass exodus because the Scotland game was starting? A couple of the fans leaving early told me that was why they were going.

Nah it was bloody freezing and the game was long since over - people wanted out.

 
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12 February, 2018 23:18
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Wasn't the mass exodus because the Scotland game was starting? A couple of the fans leaving early told me that was why they were going.

Really?

 
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13 February, 2018 09:04
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Wasn't the mass exodus because the Scotland game was starting? A couple of the fans leaving early told me that was why they were going.

That really is clutching at straws!

 
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13 February, 2018 09:08
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Wasn't the mass exodus because the Scotland game was starting? A couple of the fans leaving early told me that was why they were going.

That really is clutching at straws!

It's Tuesday...

 
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blucherquin (IP Logged)
13 February, 2018 09:15
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Wasn't the mass exodus because the Scotland game was starting? A couple of the fans leaving early told me that was why they were going.

That really is clutching at straws!

It's Tuesday...

I think that since even Kingston said he used it in his message to the players to show how they'd let the supporters down (yes, yes I know..but don't bite here, it's not about him) we can all just agree that everyone left because it was one of the worst displays we've ever seen.

I have always maintained I'd never leave a match early -- I went to the bar with 10 mins to go, just couldn't take any more humiliation and needed to warm up.

 
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blucherquin (IP Logged)
13 February, 2018 09:20
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From BBC: Harlequins director of rugby John Kingston:
"We've let our supporters and our families down as there was a half-empty stadium with 20 minutes to go and I let the players know my feelings in the changing rooms.

"We should have gone into half-time well ahead but we blew at least three good chances.

"We were level with 30 minutes to go and well set against 14 men but we switched off for a five-minute period and they were pretty lethal."

So that's all right then. Just another day at the office.

I look forward to it being "JK's squad" and JK's coaches" so that he has no more excuses left.

I want Kingston out and loathe our players for their lack of passion today - but honestly where does he say its all right?

Wasps fan in peace. Firstly let me say I was at the Stoop with my son. No way did I see the Quins lads having no passion. I saw myself the pain on their bodies and faces. To say you "loath" them is way bad- they tried and they don't deserve that. . You get good days and bad days and you caught us on a red letter day. We've had bad ones before - against you guys at the Ricoh 17 September last year. I was there and it hurt. It's easy to over-react and I suspect a few here are. I have too after a debacle like this, usually after a few beers.To be honest I felt sorry for your players when whole swathes of your fans left en masse well before the whistle went. One thing we've learnt at Wasps, and I've supported them through the bad times before we went to the Ricoh, is stick together when s''t happens. Ripping players and coaching staff apart gets it off your chest but achieves nothing. Nor does football style mass spectator desertion when things go Pete Tong. Stick together and you'll come good

As you have found out, it's always dangerous to go on to another club's forum and misread the level of feeling.

Au Contraire Blackadder. I haven't - I know you hurt god knows I don't know it. And sorry seems a lots of Wasps here invading your pain. It's also not dangerous. Lets get this in context. Syria is dangerous and people are dying. This was a rugby match when one team played better than the other team, when the same team played better than the other 5 months ago. I'm just trying to get things in perspective and think when your forum posters start saying they "loathe" your players someone, you lot, need to pull them up.
And stay in the seats - or your brave players know you come to watch the good times only - boy did your boys hurt (witness Jamie Roberts humble speech after the match) and left to hurt alone

I don't need pulling up. I loathed them for their total lack of commitment in a game we could and should have won and I was very angry.

And as above, I've never left my seat before - nor seen that happen at Quins in the 7 years I've had a season ticket. But that was the final straw after years of decline - and it broke a lot of people's will.

You would like to think it will mean the team will pull together - but i doubt it. After believing Kingston might be onto something in turning us around I'm now back to thinking theres something seriously wrong in our dressing room that no one is addressing successfully.

So yeah, in a dream world, we'd all pull together but we've tried that for four years and nothing happened.

Just finally on "brave" - not sure I have ever or will ever consider any rugby player to be "brave", as above it's just a sport.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 13/02/2018 09:24 by blucherquin.

 
Re: Team vs Wasps
Cookie (IP Logged)
13 February, 2018 09:41
Syria again. Really? Why does rugby chat have to get so maudlin??

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