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Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Cookie (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 01:56
Hats off to David Ellis and all involved. This is a stunning announcement.

[files.allblacks.com]

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 02:16
Wow indeed! I wonder if we'll get some AB players on sabbatical...

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 04:37
As much as I'm not an AB fan, this sounds like a brilliant agreement.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Nev's Left Boot (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 06:06
WOW! That makes more sense of getting the coaches signed up now!

We send them ours, which helps England win a RWC, and we get some of there's!

SIMPLES

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
QuickerQuin (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 06:47
I don't mind what they do as long as they don't do the haka.

Yours sincerely

Mr Grumpy

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
kevin (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 07:09
I wonder what they can ‘learn’ from us!

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 07:23
Quote:
Nev's Left Boot
WOW! That makes more sense of getting the coaches signed up now!
We send them ours, which helps England win a RWC, and we get some of there's!

SIMPLES

Not sure I see the link to the coaches signing up.

Great news though. Really hope we get some tangible benefit from this.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2018 07:24 by talkshowhost86.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
blucherquin (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 07:34
Quote:
talkshowhost86
Quote:
Nev's Left Boot
WOW! That makes more sense of getting the coaches signed up now!
We send them ours, which helps England win a RWC, and we get some of there's!

SIMPLES

Not sure I see the link to the coaches signing up.

Great news though. Really hope we get some tangible benefit from this.

I think he meant we send them our rubbish coaches to help England win the World Cup by making the ABs worse - hence making sure we didn’t lose our bad coaches.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Samquin (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 07:38
As a goodwill gesture please could we have Steve Hansen.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 07:58
Quote:
blucherquin
Quote:
talkshowhost86
Quote:
Nev's Left Boot
WOW! That makes more sense of getting the coaches signed up now!
We send them ours, which helps England win a RWC, and we get some of there's!

SIMPLES

Not sure I see the link to the coaches signing up.

Great news though. Really hope we get some tangible benefit from this.

I think he meant we send them our rubbish coaches to help England win the World Cup by making the ABs worse - hence making sure we didn�t lose our bad coaches.

Ah.

Well I'm definitely in favour of that!

Genuinely though would be great if they've got a few coaches who fancy taking on a challenge. Would be the ideal time for them to come in and replace our current setup.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Rocker (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 08:06
That's quite a scoop. I'm interested to see if it's more than just hot air. If it really develops into cooperation of the sort talked about in that release it would be quite remarkable!

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Dibden (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 08:12
I can’t see what’s in it for the All Blacks.Can anyone explain?It’ll Show our coaches how far they are out of touch with world class coaching

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 08:27
Quote:
Dibden
I can�t see what�s in it for the All Blacks.Can anyone explain?It�ll Show our coaches how far they are out of touch with world class coaching

I was listening to a podcast which mentioned these plans a week or so ago (although it didn't mention Quins).

Basically it's a way for their players to come and play in Europe, and earn some money, in the years between World Cups. I think they are also hoping that those players pick up some experience of Northern Hemisphere rugby which just increases their skill set.

Then those players will all be called back if they are in the World Cup plans.

If that's how it works then it can only be good for us, provided that it doesn't block our own players too much.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 08:25
Also to do with stopping players leaving NZ to earn big money in Japan/Europe.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Mr_B (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 08:28
Wow, fantastic for us, struggle to see what they get out of it from us currently. They will experience playing against northern hem for sure but they won't learn any secrets from us.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Grins (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 08:45
A real coup by Quins and a big feather in the cap for the club's leadership (which is regularly pilloried on here).

A clever partial solution to the ABs problems, and, as long as the club can manage the players / cultural challenges, a huge potential benefit for Quins.

Kieran Read / Sam Whitelock look in need of a sabbatical to me.....

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
DOK. (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 08:56
No-one has ever made this ex-pat community thing work. Not even Saracens when they were chock full of South Africans. However, a great coup for the club and well done the management for organising this.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
T-Bone (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 09:19
Sounds interesting and like it could be really good. Very low on detail though, and I do wonder how much of it is an adidas lead marketing thing. Anyway, I shall be positive, so good news

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
afropaul (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 09:14
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HonkyTonk
Also to do with stopping players leaving NZ to earn big money in Japan/Europe.

Pretty much entirely to do with stopping players leaving NZ to earn big money in Japan/Europe.

I think we're pretty lucky to have the links we have through Fitz & Nev - we're not exactly renowned for being the biggest payers (not since we paid Nev the first time) and we've never been in the market to pay anybody what Sopoaga/Cruden/Luatua/Piutau are allegedly being offered.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
PQ2 (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 09:25
Don't care about any of the rest - just get Easter out there ASAP to learn how to coach defence from Scott McLeod.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
02 March, 2018 09:27
Don't we have a link with USA rugby too? This hasn't produced anything tangible except for a few pre-season jollies. Want to be positive, lord knows we need some good news, but the proof will be in the eating. Anyway, well done the club and presumably the NZ contingent, Fitzy and Nev?

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
fandg2 (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 09:35
Quote:
afropaul
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HonkyTonk
Also to do with stopping players leaving NZ to earn big money in Japan/Europe.

Pretty much entirely to do with stopping players leaving NZ to earn big money in Japan/Europe.

I think we're pretty lucky to have the links we have through Fitz & Nev - we're not exactly renowned for being the biggest payers (not since we paid Nev the first time) and we've never been in the market to pay anybody what Sopoaga/Cruden/Luatua/Piutau are allegedly being offered.

Never underestimate the 'pull' of working in and around London and the 'Old Country' (Gcool smiley. I've been involved with enough large projects to know that 'client's like a London location and projects get awarded because it's a London location for the design

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 09:40
Hmmm. It really doesn't say anything, what do people actually think is going to happen, we suddenly get an influx of Allblacks?

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
DOK. (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 09:53
A bit of analysis here

What it seems to be saying is that you know NZ rugby own the rugby players and farm them out to the various NZ teams? We would just be another place to farm them out to if they wanted overseas experience, but NZ would still "control" them, whereas if they just push off to Toulouse there's no control.

No I don't know how it would work. I can't see an All Black saying "I could get £x with Harlequins or £xxx with Toulouse so I'll go to Harlequins", but presumably there's some sort of carrot and stick involved. Possibly it's for players just on the fringes of international duty.

I mean we couldn't take many players (a couple?) without damaging our England players hopes.Be Interesting to see this one unfold.

Oh, and you know the All Blacks. We must have been damned convincing we wanted to be the best to land them, not a mid table team!

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
QuinAlan (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 10:01
Quote:
“This alignment will create significant opportunities for both sides, with players, coaches and staff able to learn from different environments with different people, challenges and cultures.” The agreement will see NZR and Harlequins cooperate on a number of projects in relation to playing and coaching resources, team training and commercial leverage opportunities.

Does this mean we'll be getting Wayne Smith & Co..??

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
thomh (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 10:05
Smith has had health issues and it sounds like he is understandably winding down and taking on the odd part time consultancy role, rather than any full time coaching.

Not that the odd day from him here and there wouldn’t be welcome.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
quinsfan123 (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 10:27
That is fantastic news for the club.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
UQ (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 10:50
Would any player from the NZ squad on a sabbatical playing for Quins be included as marquee players?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2018 10:51 by UQ.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 10:52
Quote:
UQ
Would any player from the NZ squad on a sabbatical playing for the be included as marquee players?

I would imagine they'd have to be.

I assume the salary cap covers a situation where the NZ RFU decided to part fund a players salary, so don't think anyone can get around it that way.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
DOK. (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 10:53
Now I think of it, JK went over to NZ a few summers ago to look at coaching and the like. Three/four years ago? I wonder how long this union has been in the making? Not saying JK instigated it, but maybe he was an exploratory scout.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
DOK. (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 10:59
As for marquee players, it's hard to get them from other clubs. They're kind of designed for overseas players. Not sure where the salary cap comes in if you part fund a marquee player - I assume it doesn't. We're allowed two marquee players, which would be about all we could sensibly deal with and not disrupt the English players. I can't see this being for the absolute "top of the tree" All Blacks, they can still command too much money from France and the like, but next level down players? Great!

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 11:00
Quote:
talkshowhost86
Quote:
UQ
Would any player from the NZ squad on a sabbatical playing for the be included as marquee players?

I would imagine they'd have to be.

I assume the salary cap covers a situation where the NZ RFU decided to part fund a players salary, so don't think anyone can get around it that way.

May depend how long they are over here for. lets say its for a couple of months, we probably have that space in the cap to pay them 100k

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 11:05
I would guess it could be the fringe players, ones that are not quite there but still have a chance. Come over here, get some experience/cash and no need to give up the hope of an international career. Super rugby players are not payed massive amounts so a short spell over here would be a tidy boost. Think it was Haskell that said his contract with the Highlanders was the smallest he has had in his career.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
DOK. (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 11:06
I think the immigration requirement is that they have to have had 1 All Blacks cap in the last 10 years.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Scrumhead (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 11:07
My understanding is that NZ wanted this kind of deal with ‘selected clubs’ to prevent player drain to the NH.

Losing players in and around the AB squad like Cruden, Kerr-Barlow, Sopoaga etc. Has made them realise that they need to look at ways to give players the opportunity to get NH cash in a way they can control.

Someone like Whitelock would be awesome if he fancies a change of scenery.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
UQ (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 11:34
Quote:
DOK
Now I think of it, JK went over to NZ a few summers ago to look at coaching and the like. Three/four years ago? I wonder how long this union has been in the making? Not saying JK instigated it, but maybe he was an exploratory scout.

Wasn’t that prior to the 2012 season? It certainly had an impact, but definitely nothing since.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 11:57
Will this be one of several such partnerships with other Clubs or is it exclusive to Quins?



If at first you don't succeed, Try, Try and Try again.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
QuickerQuin (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 11:57
Quote:
quinsfan123
That is fantastic news for the club.

Please explain to me slowly and carefully precisely what it will mean in practice.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 12:28
Quote:
Scaramouche
Will this be one of several such partnerships with other Clubs or is it exclusive to Quins?

This is an interesting question.

I'd be surprised if they didn't have an equivalent in France at least.

As others have pointed out, we could only have a couple of players at a time from them so I assume they need more than one club to achieve their overall goal of stopping players leaving permanently.

If I was them I'd have a club in England, a club in France and a club from the pro-14.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
ArchQuin (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 12:45
sounds like a great link-up but I will wait to see the benefits before getting too carried away!

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
The Dead Baron (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 12:51
So, anyone fancy giving Mr Ellis some grief now?

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 12:54
Good Grief Mr Ellis! Well played.



If at first you don't succeed, Try, Try and Try again.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 12:54
Quote:
The Dead Baron
So, anyone fancy giving Mr Ellis some grief now?

Not over this.

As nothing else has changed though I imagine yes there are people still wanting to 'give him grief'.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Stooperman (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 13:01
Hats off to Ellis over this, it has to be a positive thing for the club and must have taken some negotiating!

Well done everyone at Quins.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Ayerzawannabe (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 13:50
Quote:
Scaramouche
Will this be one of several such partnerships with other Clubs or is it exclusive to Quins?

NZ fans seem to think their will be an agreement with a Japanese club soon.
Also think they will try and get an agreement with a pro 14 team aswell. (My bet Munster).

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
raedarius (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 14:06
Which other teams wear Adidas kit?

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 14:11
Good Point!



If at first you don't succeed, Try, Try and Try again.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 14:14
Munster
All the kiwi Super Rugby sides
In the Top League (Japan), about 4/5
Not sure about Top 14.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
DOK. (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 15:07
Saw this in the Telegraph

Not a lot there that you haven't read elsewhere until that final paragraph...

Quote:
Harlequins are the second Premiership team to be targeted by a rival union after Scotland revealed an interest in buying a stake in Newcastle Falcons.

I wonder if they might take a stake in the club? I dare say Duncan Saville would like to see some return on his investment (for which read huge money pit).

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
raedarius (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 15:14
Looks like Brive is the French Adidas team.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 15:15
They just want a share of the Property Development pot! smiling smiley



If at first you don't succeed, Try, Try and Try again.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Mayor West (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 15:31
A party from Quins went over for the Lions tour to look at stats and "things" . Wonder if this deal was part of the trip. If this tie up is what we hope it is, I'm getting quite excited. Announced in time for season ticket renewals in these difficult times. (Sorry that sounds more cynical than its meant to be).

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Fearless Fred (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 15:32
Quote:
DOK
Saw this in the Telegraph
Not a lot there that you haven't read elsewhere until that final paragraph...

Quote:
Harlequins are the second Premiership team to be targeted by a rival union after Scotland revealed an interest in buying a stake in Newcastle Falcons.

I wonder if they might take a stake in the club? I dare say Duncan Saville would like to see some return on his investment (for which read huge money pit).

I thought it was Worcester that the SRU were interested in?

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 15:38
Quote:
QuickerQuin
I don't mind what they do as long as they don't do the haka.
Yours sincerely

Mr Grumpy

Hakaquins

Fitzpatrick's hand?

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
DOK. (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 15:46
From snippets I read, this will be for up and coming men and women, rather than established stars. NZ rugby has said it has evidence of players as young as 15 targeted by overseas clubs.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
QuinAlan (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 19:16
I thought this was a joke at first. But thinking about it, would really like to understand the finer details.

Could be a coup for us. But a number of questions. Did Premier Rugby have to approve this, as perhaps it could be seen as giving us an advantage? What of the Salary Cap? What grade of players would be involved? Assume both Men & Women? Visa issues? How long would the players spend with us? Coaches? Are we the sole agreement for the Premiership? Will the Australian, South African, Argentinian Unions follow suit?

Well done to Dave Ellis & the team for coming up with an innovation which should benefit us significantly.

Personally I think we need input & help with Coaching & Strength & Conditioning issues in particular. The Kiwi players are nearly always fitter faster & stronger, so this would be a huge leg up.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
quinsfan123 (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 19:46
Quote:
QuickerQuin
Quote:
quinsfan123
That is fantastic news for the club.

Please explain to me slowly and carefully precisely what it will mean in practice.

What it will mean is that we will probably get a few big name/ less well known or unknown players being sent to us for either a sabbatical and a pay rise for them or a chance to develop. Likewise, coaches could come and go their way as "consultants" could see that happening with Nick Evans for instance. COuld really help us in getting to the next level as a team and combine with a "JKexit" we could finally return to where we were in Conor's golden years.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
kevin (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 20:28
It’ll come to nowt.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
TeddingtonQuin (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 20:54
From my (utterly disillusioned) POV, this is far more about Adidas than Quins or the AB's. I'm happy to be proved wrong but I'm not anticipating that to happen!



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Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
kevin (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 20:58
Quote:
TeddingtonQuin
From my (utterly disillusioned) POV, this is far more about Adidas than Quins or the AB's. I'm happy to be proved wrong but I'm not anticipating that to happen!

This. I’m far from excited.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
absent chief (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 20:58
I am amazed how everyone on this board is falling over themselves to say how good this is. Having toured New Zealand with the lions and hearing Steve Tew in action, all I can say is that under his lead the NZRFU have become the most selfish, money orientated union in the world. This has been done to benefit one union and one union only - the NZRU.
This will be a one way street lead from NZ.

So lets get this right Quins have less youngsters on the books to accommodate the 'great influx' of new players. And just before announcing his team . Kingston has to make a call to NZ to check it is OK to play 'their' players. How in any way is this good for the integrity of Quins.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
kevin (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 21:18
[quote absent chief]I am amazed how everyone on this board is falling over themselves to say how good this is. Having toured New Zealand with the lions and hearing Steve Tew in action, all I can say is that under his lead the NZRFU have become the most selfish, money orientated union in the world. This has been done to benefit one union and one union only - the NZRU.
This will be a one way street lead from NZ.

So lets get this right Quins have less youngsters on the books to accommodate the 'great influx' of new players. And just before announcing his team . Kingston has to make a call to NZ to check it is OK to play 'their' players. How in any way is this good for the integrity of Quins.[/quote

I just think this joint venture is a publicity exercise. No doubt we will see outcomes sometime but until they emerge I will remain sceptical.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2018 08:27 by kevin.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
OldMarovian (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 22:40
Could you please send Nick Easter to "sort out" the ABs defence ...

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
blucherquin (IP Logged)
03 March, 2018 07:53
Quote:
QuickerQuin
Quote:
quinsfan123
That is fantastic news for the club.

Please explain to me slowly and carefully precisely what it will mean in practice.

[www.telegraph.co.uk]

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
03 March, 2018 08:09
[quote kevin][quote absent chief]I am amazed how everyone on this board is falling over themselves to say how good this is. Having toured New Zealand with the lions and hearing Steve Tew in action, all I can say is that under his lead the NZRFU have become the most selfish, money orientated union in the world. This has been done to benefit one union and one union only - the NZRU.
This will be a one way street lead from NZ.

So lets get this right Quins have less youngsters on the books to accommodate the 'great influx' of new players. And just before announcing his team . Kingston has to make a call to NZ to check it is OK to play 'their' players. How in any way is this good for the integrity of Quins.[/quote
I just thing this is a silly deflection daft carry on . no way a canny on that will benefits us. Such a strange join..[/quote]

???

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
kevin (IP Logged)
03 March, 2018 08:30
Yes I know it didn’t make sense. I’ve edited in post above.
I just think this joint venture is a publicity exercise. No doubt we will see outcomes sometime but until they emerge I will remain sceptical.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2018 09:10 by kevin.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
03 March, 2018 09:09
Quote:
absent chief
I am amazed how everyone on this board is falling over themselves to say how good this is. Having toured New Zealand with the lions and hearing Steve Tew in action, all I can say is that under his lead the NZRFU have become the most selfish, money orientated union in the world. This has been done to benefit one union and one union only - the NZRU.
This will be a one way street lead from NZ.

So lets get this right Quins have less youngsters on the books to accommodate the 'great influx' of new players. And just before announcing his team . Kingston has to make a call to NZ to check it is OK to play 'their' players. How in any way is this good for the integrity of Quins.

It'll be about getting the balance right.

We won't be taking on hundreds of Kiwis at a time so I don't think it effects the number of young players at all, and it won't be much different than what we have to do with our England players now in terms of deference to the NZRFU.

It'll be designed for the benefit of NZ certainly but doesn't mean we can't reap the benefits at the same time.

Of course we'll need to see how it all works practically but seems odd to be so negative about it at this stage.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
03 March, 2018 09:24
Tell me about it! Negativity is such a b-ummer, man.



If at first you don't succeed, Try, Try and Try again.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
PJMQuin (IP Logged)
03 March, 2018 09:39
Kind of fits with the idea that the aim is to create a squad of stars or rugby celebrities (is there such a thing?) to pull bums onto seats in this new stadium. It’s a great thing no doubt but it won’t allow us to build squads around the greats like Evans, Wilson and Brooks like we have in the past who were 100% committed to this club rather than just passing through at the expense of other players.

Commercially great, but it won’t create a premiership winning squad.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
03 March, 2018 09:51
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PJMQuin
Kind of fits with the idea that the aim is to create a squad of stars or rugby celebrities (is there such a thing?) to pull bums onto seats in this new stadium. It�s a great thing no doubt but it won�t allow us to build squads around the greats like Evans, Wilson and Brooks like we have in the past who were 100% committed to this club rather than just passing through at the expense of other players.
Commercially great, but it won�t create a premiership winning squad.

Again it's about balance.

Our Premiership winning squad was built around a 'rugby celebrity' as you put it so we know it can work.

Of course Nev was different as he was here for the long haul, and I think you're right that in recent years it's been shown by Sarries and Exeter that good coaching and team play wins out over star names (just ask Wasps), but that doesn't mean that a spark of Southern Hemisphere skill won't help us.

I agree that we don't want to become a revolving door for NZ players, but if managed correctly then I definitely think it can benefit us.

Of course the main issue with that for me at the moment is whether we have anyone who can manage it correctly.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
fandg2 (IP Logged)
03 March, 2018 10:06
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Would any player from the NZ squad on a sabbatical playing for Quins be included as marquee players?

My guess is that it would be as a loan player or short term deal thing similar to what's just happened with our 2 scrum half's we've just lost (or losing shortly). Could prove useful given our luck with injuries the last few season's. A ready source of quality injury cover

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Fearless Fred (IP Logged)
03 March, 2018 12:05
Mid to long term I think the more advantageous part of the deal for us is the experience of younger players from our Academy hopefully on loan to play in the Mitre 10, gaining experience of living & playing in NZ alongside different players & coaches with different ideas. It should boost their skills & rugby "nous" which they can bring back to the club on their return.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
03 March, 2018 12:12
Also, if NZ are seeing it as a way to make money (somehow) commercially, I expect Quins to make a couple of quid as well.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
Fearless Fred (IP Logged)
03 March, 2018 13:01
How the Times is reporting it:


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Harlequins have struck a groundbreaking partnership with the New Zealand Rugby Union to become a host club for All Blacks wanting to cash in on a European sabbatical.
The deal will lead to the Twickenham Stoop becoming a breeding ground for the next generation of All Blacks and female New Zealand players as part of an exchange programme. Harlequins will send “pathway” players in the opposite direction and the deal also includes placements for coaches to spend time in New Zealand.

The RFU, which invests more than £60 million a year into English professional rugby, does not object to Harlequins entering into a partnership with New Zealand, even though it would appear to have performance benefits for England’s biggest rivals.

Fekitoa was one of seven New Zealand players who headed for Europe last year
Fekitoa was one of seven New Zealand players who headed for Europe last year
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“The All Blacks are the benchmark of excellence,” David Ellis, the Harlequins chief executive, said. “To be able to align with them both on and off the pitch will be of significant benefit to the club.”

The NZRU has been seeking out club partners in Europe and Japan in a bid to control an alarming exodus of players that risks weakening the All Blacks.

Seven New Zealand players left for Europe last year, including Malakai Fekitoa and Steven Luatua, with more to follow next season. Wasps have signed Lima Sopoaga, New Zealand’s second-choice fly half, on £500,000 a year, and recruited Brad Shields, while Jerome Kaino, Liam Messam and Charlie Ngatai are all heading to France. “We’re entering a period of greater risk than we’ve seen for quite some time,” Chris Lendrum, the head of professional rugby at NZRU, said recently.

New Zealand is having to come up with ever more inventive ways of retaining talent because it cannot match the money on offer in Europe.

The plan is that New Zealand players would be sanctioned to join approved clubs, such as Harlequins, on a sabbatical so that they could reap the benefits of a stint abroad while being monitored by the All Blacks and with a guarantee that they will return home. The NZRU is not looking to make a direct financial investment in Harlequins, but this deal is another example of how the economic power of English club rugby is tilting the balance of the global game.

Harlequins are the second Premiership club to be targeted by a rival union after The Times revealed that the Scottish Rugby Union is interested in buying a stake in Newcastle Falcons.

Harlequins did not require permission from the RFU to enter into their partnership with the NZRU, but they have provided assurances that the relationship will not have a negative impact on the number of English-qualified players produced by the club.

The project will not only give young Harlequins players experience abroad, but potentially provide John Kingston, the director of rugby, access to a stream of New Zealand players that he could not otherwise have signed. They have struggled in recent years to compete financially for the best overseas recruits, with Wasps and Bristol paying vast sums to land players such as Kurtley Beale and Charles Piutau.

New Zealand has identified Harlequins because that gives it a “strategic” base in London and they share a kit manufacturer in Adidas, which the club hope will generate commercial benefits down the line. Harlequins are looking to boost their commercial profile as they start working towards the planned construction of a 25,000-seat stadium.

The case of Evans, who spent nine seasons at Quins, is an example of what the NZRU hopes to avoid
The case of Evans, who spent nine seasons at Quins, is an example of what the NZRU hopes to avoid
HENRY BROWNE/REUTERS
Steve Tew, the NZRU chief executive, said: “This is new territory for New Zealand Rugby and this unique relationship will open some useful connections in that part of the world.”

He also said that he wanted a partner club with New Zealand connections. Harlequins have Sean Fitzpatrick, the former All Blacks captain, on the board, while their attack coach is Nick Evans, who is likely to be the first to head to New Zealand as part of the deal. Evans spent nine seasons playing for Harlequins and is a prime example of what the NZRU is trying to avoid: a talented player who was lost to its professional game for the best years of his career.

Similarly, Piutau turned down a chance to play at the 2015 World Cup to join Wasps and then Ulster. Next season he will earn £950,000 at Bristol.

New Zealand have a strict rule that they do not select players based abroad. Even when they were down to the bare bones at fly half during the 2011 World Cup, they could not call upon Evans.

This deal suggests a blurring of the edges of that rule at a time when Rassie Erasmus, who was yesterday appointed South Africa coach, admitted that he might select a squad comprised of overseas Springboks for their June Test against Wales in the United States.

 
Re: Quins Announce Partnership With The All Blacks.....Wow!
DOK. (IP Logged)
03 March, 2018 18:21
That makes it sound like we're going to be getting established All Blacks rather than/as well as inexperienced All Blacks. I appreciate we may be first choice for a Piutau or Fekitoa, but surely we're not going to be able to compete with Toulouse etc... monetary wise?

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