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Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
15 April, 2018 19:59
RIL (yes i know, I am a mug for looking at it) has said that Robertson from Crusaders is the front runner. Must day that would not surprise me if we were interested

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
15 April, 2018 20:11
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RIL (yes i know, I am a mug for looking at it) has said that Robertson from Crusaders is the front runner. Must day that would not surprise me if we were interested

Imagine that's just based on the fact his name was mentioned in the Daily Mail article.

Still not sure what we've got to offer someone like Robertson, but I just hope that the pull of the Premiership is strong enough, together with the All Black linkup.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
15 April, 2018 20:14
Stating it was confirmed from 2 sources. In terms of what we can offer, despite our situation I would imagine it is still an attractive job. Good salary (I would guess more than a provincial kiwi role). Chance to live in London. Chance to enhance his cv with his eye on the kiwi job one day. Yes we are cack right now but in rugby terms Quins are still a famous club worldwide. We have a decent squad (that is underachieving). I would see it as a great challenge for an ambitious coach/DOR

I know we stated we searched everywhere last time but my own view (with no proof) is that we went for the cheap option.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
15 April, 2018 22:27
It should be an attractive job for any ambitious DOR. A good squad playing like cretins should be a fairly easy turnaround.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
15 April, 2018 22:41
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Quinten Poulsen
It should be an attractive job for any ambitious DOR. A good squad playing like cretins should be a fairly easy turnaround.

This is true, but apparently that wasn't the case last time we appointed a DOR.

I think a big thing will be if we allow a new man to bring in his own coaches.

Not much good asking someone to turn around a talented squad of players if you don't allow them their team to help do that.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Dave L (IP Logged)
16 April, 2018 08:04
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talkshowhost86
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Quinten Poulsen
It should be an attractive job for any ambitious DOR. A good squad playing like cretins should be a fairly easy turnaround.

This is true, but apparently that wasn't the case last time we appointed a DOR.

I think a big thing will be if we allow a new man to bring in his own coaches.

Not much good asking someone to turn around a talented squad of players if you don't allow them their team to help do that.

This is a key issue. Weíll go nowhere fast if the new man canít pick who he wants. It maybe that heíll keep some of the incumbents but it must be his choice.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
16 April, 2018 14:47
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Jammy Git
The Blues have major issues that are beyond the help of a single person, I think.

That sounds familiar...

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
18 April, 2018 13:36
could this be our new DOR?


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Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
18 April, 2018 13:52
Hope not - what experience does he have?

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
18 April, 2018 13:55
Does that matter round here?



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Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
18 April, 2018 13:59
He'll be joining last week...

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Brabz (IP Logged)
18 April, 2018 15:43
The more I think about this Ben Ryan idea the more I like it. He took an underperforming Fiji side and identified the problem areas, fixed the problem areas, and developed a plan to successfully dominate sevens. Heís done something similar as a consultant to the New Yourk Knicks in the NBA. So yes he hasnít had a fifteens job in a while, but surely heís shown he can identify the problems within a team and fix them and implement a successful plan going forward

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
18 April, 2018 18:40
Job is very simple.....get superstars to start behaving more like a TEAM.....get squad super-fit.....play pragmatic, heads up rugby....pick a good strong leader....simples!!

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Bedfordshire Boy (IP Logged)
18 April, 2018 20:04
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Job is very simple.....get superstars to start behaving more like a TEAM.....get squad super-fit.....play pragmatic, heads up rugby....pick a good strong leader....simples!!

The job is yours.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Cookie (IP Logged)
19 April, 2018 08:50
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Brabz
The more I think about this Ben Ryan idea the more I like it. He took an underperforming Fiji side and identified the problem areas, fixed the problem areas, and developed a plan to successfully dominate sevens. Heís done something similar as a consultant to the New Yourk Knicks in the NBA. So yes he hasnít had a fifteens job in a while, but surely heís shown he can identify the problems within a team and fix them and implement a successful plan going forward

Raised his name months ago. Think heíd be excellent.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Banstead Quin (IP Logged)
19 April, 2018 09:53
Robbie Deans.

What he achieved with Canterbury not just in Super Rugby but in the NPC (or whatever they call it now) as well was fantastic. I know he had umpteen All Blacks in the side which helped but he showed he could manage the bigger names and get the best out of them.

The NPC stuff is the biggest reason though, because it showed he could motivate a squad without the big names around. Ignore the spell with Austrailia as he was on a hiding to nothing with a poor squad in a country that was against him from the start and they still came within one kick of winning a Lions series against a Lions side that should have hammered them.

Maybe bring Dean Ryan in with him as Head Coach with a view to stepping up to DOR after a couple of seasons.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
QuinAlan (IP Logged)
19 April, 2018 21:12
BQ. Robbie Deans was my first thought when Conor announced his departure. But I think Iím right here in that Deans is coaching in Japan & said at that time he would be honouring his contract, which I think was up to the RWC in Japan. Heíd be a great fit for us no doubt. Possibly first choice. But we would have to wait until the RWC is over & that is still a long way off. Our need is more immediate.

Would Dean Ryan do enough to keep us up on his own? Not sure. Anyone have ideas? This has gone cold recently. Who have we had mentioned who might be serious contenders?

Robertson
Deans
Joseph
Richards
Lancaster
Mallinder
Ben Ryan
Dean Ryan
Cockerill

A name that came into my mind & he did very well at Leicester is Pat Howard. He might be out of work shortly! He was very well liked by all at Tigers. Itís really difficult to think of others & the board have a tough decision here, but they should have done this two years ago! Get it right this time chaps!

Joseph or Deans for me but not sure if they will come?

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
BuckQuin (IP Logged)
19 April, 2018 21:12
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Banstead Quin
Maybe bring Dean Ryan in with him as Head Coach with a view to stepping up to DOR after a couple of seasons.

Assuming you mean Ben Ryan? I'm with Brabz. The more I mull the idea of BR - in either DOR or Head Coach capacity - the more I love it. If we have money to throw at this then an established elite DOR of the calibre of that Crusaders geezer or Robbie Deans and then BR as Head Coach with a view to him succeeding as DOR is a concept I love on paper. Won't happen of course...

I can't stop myself liking the idea more because he's an Englishman too - even though I know I shouldn't have hangups about a Southern Hem DOR coming in with a full Southern Hem backroom team, I do. And it's more to do with them having to adapt to the rugby up here - the Todd Blackadder example is a case in point.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Brabz (IP Logged)
19 April, 2018 22:47
I agree Ben Ryan needs someone with him. So whatís Aaron Mauger doing these days? Did a good job at Leicester, no one seemed to be too happy that he went which is surely a good sign

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Rocker (IP Logged)
19 April, 2018 22:55
Mauger would fit in with the NZ connection....

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
19 April, 2018 23:12
Iíd be interested to know what Ben Ryan could bring to Quins. Iíd admit to not knowing his strengths and weaknesses - do those promoting him wish to advise?

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
20 April, 2018 00:37
I think his main strength is that he's an excellent 7s coach. We'd walk through everyone at Rosslyn Park.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Banstead Quin (IP Logged)
20 April, 2018 09:38
Yes, thanks BuckQuin, I did mean Ben....doh!

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
BuckQuin (IP Logged)
20 April, 2018 11:44
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I think his main strength is that he's an excellent 7s coach. We'd walk through everyone at Rosslyn Park.

Think it's more the discipline he seems to be able to instil and his apparent ability to man manage brilliantly. From what I've read and heard from pundits and commentators, he seems to be one of those studious types who has a tight grip on the psychological side of sport - and the mental side of things is where we seem to be really struggling as a collective. No doubt there's an element of risk given his 7s background, hence the seasoned DOR above him is an intriguing option. I just have a nagging feeling it would be inspired - and obviously David Ellis will be reading this and will be inspired by me. And then the whole thing will be a flop and I'll change my name on this board again...

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
20 April, 2018 11:51
smiling smiley



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Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Cairns Family (IP Logged)
20 April, 2018 12:02
Looks like Cockers is out.

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Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
20 April, 2018 12:30
Not disappointed tbh



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Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
20 April, 2018 16:37
BuckQuin, he may turn out to be a very good head coach or DOR but I'd prefer it if it wasn't Quins who took the risk!

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 01:44
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Brabz
I agree Ben Ryan needs someone with him. So whatís Aaron Mauger doing these days? Did a good job at Leicester, no one seemed to be too happy that he went which is surely a good sign

Coaching the Highlanders. Can't see him wanting to leave already.



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Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
QuinAlan (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 08:56
If Mauger was any good as a coach then surely Tigers would have kept him? He seemed to be part of the problem there rather than the solution.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
QuinAlan (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 09:46
Genuine question. Has anyone ever considered Johnny Wilkinson as a coach? There can't be anyone alive who prepares more thoroughly & with such attention to detail & the guy is a winner. Very highly thought in France.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 09:48
Love St Jonny but feel he is a little cerebral for the rufty tufty side of man management.



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Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
BuckQuin (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 10:12
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Quinten Poulsen
BuckQuin, he may turn out to be a very good head coach or DOR but I'd prefer it if it wasn't Quins who took the risk!

The logical me feels this way too but when has being a Quins fan ever been logical? Quins fans are the ultimate masochists. If we didn't feed off the thrills of living in constant limbo from one game to the next we'd all be up the North Circular standing up for the... yeah, okay, maybe not that.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
DOK (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 10:26
Once again. I don't want to see anyone who hasn't got a good CV of DOR or similar. I don't want coaches, I don't want sevens specialists, I don't want people "ready to step up". We can't afford to screw this one up.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 11:53
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QuinAlan
Genuine question. Has anyone ever considered Johnny Wilkinson as a coach? There can't be anyone alive who prepares more thoroughly & with such attention to detail & the guy is a winner. Very highly thought in France.

That has little to do with whether he'd be a good coach or not.



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Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Bossman99 (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 12:35
Shaun Edwards apparently has bought a house in Twickenham. I was on a bus week before last with Ben Ryan, seems he lives in East Twickenham, near Richmond Bridge. Iíd take that as a very exciting long-term and forward-thinking 1-2. Keep Rowntree to run the pack, Evans on skills, with Ryan setting the attack programme and Edwards overseeing defence - doubt heís impressed by Easter (who is?) but he could either mentor him or bring someone else in to help out as I donít think the DoR should be doubling up on the defence full-time.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
blucherquin (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 15:05
Weíve never had a defence coach before and donít need one. We certainly donít need Easter anywhere near the team.

Mapletoft, Osborne, Easter - sacked.

Evans - kept on solely as a skills coach, likewise Jones and possibly Rowntree (but frankly our forwards have hardly excelled so Iím giving him the benefit of the doubt)

Any other decision is madness. Weíve got far too many coaches anyway and most are part of the problem.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 17:37
Diprose was defence coach for years, and our defence improved noticeably when he started.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
blucherquin (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 20:27
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Quinten Poulsen
Diprose was defence coach for years, and our defence improved noticeably when he started.

Oh - they said in a piece I read weíd never had a dedicated defence coach before.

Either way Easter is clearly a buffoon and needs to go. As does anyone else whoís been there more than 10 yeas - waste of space.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
22 April, 2018 08:56
A buffoon, eh? Hmm. Maybe he's just a promising coach promoted above his experience and capabilities right now, and is unable to get the side to defend consistently in a manner required at the top end of club rugby.



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Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
22 April, 2018 09:41
That's the point though isn't it? Earning his stripes at our expense and will probably go off somewhere and do really well next.



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Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
SiBolton (IP Logged)
22 April, 2018 09:54
Sounds like Blackadder may be off from Bath sooner than expected unless next two games are great results
Tana Umanga, probably looking for a job
Heard Martin Jonson mentioned the other day, but think he has enough on without taking on Quins challenge and letís be honest itís a massive challenge

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
DOK (IP Logged)
22 April, 2018 11:15
Not Tana Umaga. Hardly set the world alight as a coach, turned out to have feet of clay as a player.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
SiBolton (IP Logged)
22 April, 2018 14:47
Iím not recommending DOK just saying possibly in the frame

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
DOK (IP Logged)
22 April, 2018 21:01

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
22 April, 2018 21:03
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Scaramouche
That's the point though isn't it? Earning his stripes at our expense and will probably go off somewhere and do really well next.

That's certainly your point, but not blucherquin's.



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Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
DOK (IP Logged)
22 April, 2018 21:10
Ermm....another off the wall suggestion who seems to be free at the mo', John Kirwan.
Coached Italy, Japan, Auckland Blues. Played union and league. Advocated speed and agility for Japan when he ran them, so likes running rugby. Age 53 so not exactly in his dotage. From New Zealand so going to be shocked at our basic level of skills.

Possibility?

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
22 April, 2018 22:28
He was pretty bad at all 3 jobs.



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Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
talkshowhost86 (IP Logged)
23 April, 2018 09:11
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I'm not sure I see it being any of those guys.

I think the New Zealand link is going to be key, which would presumably mean we'd get someone either from NZ, or at least approved by NZ, and I'm not sure who on there meets that criteria.

Whoever it is I hope we get some sort of announcement relatively soon. The later we leave it, the less time the new person has to start trying to improve things.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Cookie (IP Logged)
23 April, 2018 09:37
Whilst I agree this is a key appointment, to say we will only hire someone who has a perfect coaching record is ludicrous. Just about anyone worth their salt will have had a setback somewhere. For example, to discount Cockerill and Mallinder, who have both won the AP within the past 5 years is so short sighted. Cockerill has won it 3 times.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
blucherquin (IP Logged)
23 April, 2018 10:31
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Jammy Git
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Scaramouche
That's the point though isn't it? Earning his stripes at our expense and will probably go off somewhere and do really well next.

That's certainly your point, but not blucherquin's.

Heís a Quins legend but isnít a coach - he may be one day but weíre not a charity for ex players.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
fandg2 (IP Logged)
23 April, 2018 10:37
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Bossman99
Shaun Edwards apparently has bought a house in Twickenham. I was on a bus week before last with Ben Ryan, seems he lives in East Twickenham, near Richmond Bridge.

Might just be to be near his son who use to turn out for Richmond and be close to the M4 for Wales ;-)

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
DOK (IP Logged)
23 April, 2018 11:26
The thing is, and here's the problem, I believe different people are best for clubs in certain circumstances. We need a DOR who can pick up what is basically a good team, give them some confidence and inspiration and then improve on what he started with.

The situation of DOR at Harlequins is very different to what you'd want if you were incoming DOR of Saracens.

Now Dean Richards could do that standing on his head, agreed.

Of all the other coaches floating around, I'd say Mallinder took a club like Sharks from bottom to the top of the table. He had a good record coaching England U21s, he took Saints from being relegated to top of the table. When a few years back I asked the two Davids who was the club we most wanted to emulate, the answer was Northampton (then under Mallinder).

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Cookie (IP Logged)
23 April, 2018 12:03
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DOK
The thing is, and here's the problem, I believe different people are best for clubs in certain circumstances. We need a DOR who can pick up what is basically a good team, give them some confidence and inspiration and then improve on what he started with.
The situation of DOR at Harlequins is very different to what you'd want if you were incoming DOR of Saracens.

Now Dean Richards could do that standing on his head, agreed.

Of all the other coaches floating around, I'd say Mallinder took a club like Sharks from bottom to the top of the table. He had a good record coaching England U21s, he took Saints from being relegated to top of the table. When a few years back I asked the two Davids who was the club we most wanted to emulate, the answer was Northampton (then under Mallinder).

Precisely. Cockerill isnít suddenly rubbish after winning 3 titles because of the last couple of years at Leicester. Northampton won it 5 years ago and Mallinder isnít suddenly rubbish because of how the last 18 months have gone at Saints.

Iíd be delighted with a Mallinder/Ryan combo of experience and fresh ideas including a succession plan.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
blucherquin (IP Logged)
23 April, 2018 13:27
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Cookie
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DOK
The thing is, and here's the problem, I believe different people are best for clubs in certain circumstances. We need a DOR who can pick up what is basically a good team, give them some confidence and inspiration and then improve on what he started with.
The situation of DOR at Harlequins is very different to what you'd want if you were incoming DOR of Saracens.

Now Dean Richards could do that standing on his head, agreed.

Of all the other coaches floating around, I'd say Mallinder took a club like Sharks from bottom to the top of the table. He had a good record coaching England U21s, he took Saints from being relegated to top of the table. When a few years back I asked the two Davids who was the club we most wanted to emulate, the answer was Northampton (then under Mallinder).

Precisely. Cockerill isnít suddenly rubbish after winning 3 titles because of the last couple of years at Leicester. Northampton won it 5 years ago and Mallinder isnít suddenly rubbish because of how the last 18 months have gone at Saints.

Iíd be delighted with a Mallinder/Ryan combo of experience and fresh ideas including a succession plan.

But Kingston is rubbish even though he helped win the Prem just before Northampton.

Not sure of your logic. Coz Kingston is rubbish.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
mandator (IP Logged)
23 April, 2018 14:01
The question is does any one good want the job? The way the squad has been playing recently is a mountain to climb for any one new coming in. The next two games are crucial.
If we get a 50 point thrashing by Exeter and there is booing and mass walkouts this is bound to put off any good candidate.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Cookie (IP Logged)
23 April, 2018 14:19
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DOK
The thing is, and here's the problem, I believe different people are best for clubs in certain circumstances. We need a DOR who can pick up what is basically a good team, give them some confidence and inspiration and then improve on what he started with.
The situation of DOR at Harlequins is very different to what you'd want if you were incoming DOR of Saracens.

Now Dean Richards could do that standing on his head, agreed.

Of all the other coaches floating around, I'd say Mallinder took a club like Sharks from bottom to the top of the table. He had a good record coaching England U21s, he took Saints from being relegated to top of the table. When a few years back I asked the two Davids who was the club we most wanted to emulate, the answer was Northampton (then under Mallinder).

Precisely. Cockerill isnít suddenly rubbish after winning 3 titles because of the last couple of years at Leicester. Northampton won it 5 years ago and Mallinder isnít suddenly rubbish because of how the last 18 months have gone at Saints.

Iíd be delighted with a Mallinder/Ryan combo of experience and fresh ideas including a succession plan.

But Kingston is rubbish even though he helped win the Prem just before Northampton.

Not sure of your logic. Coz Kingston is rubbish.

Both Cockerill and Mallinder were DoRs when successful. JK was a Head Coach. So youíre comparing apples and oranges.

Both needed to move as they had become stale and, in Mallinderís case at least, he was let down by Dorian West, something he failed to address meaning he had to fall on his sword (although West has now also been sacked).

JK may well go on to be successful somewhere else (albeit as a HC not a DoR), the same as RC and JM can. To say they canít be successful elsewhere after winning 4 Premierships between them is folly at best.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
poorfour (IP Logged)
23 April, 2018 14:46
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mandator
The question is does any one good want the job? The way the squad has been playing recently is a mountain to climb for any one new coming in. The next two games are crucial.
If we get a 50 point thrashing by Exeter and there is booing and mass walkouts this is bound to put off any good candidate.

Why would it do that? Being relegated (with all the concomitant boos and walkouts) didn't deter Deano. Bloodgate (with all the concomitant boos and walkouts) didn't deter COS.

Quins is a big brand, a big club, financially stable by rugby club standards, with the promise of a new, larger stadium and what is - despite current performances - a decent squad and a connection to NZ that should prove handy for improving it.


The hardest thing to do in sport is to take on a team where everything is working and keep it at the top of the pile. It's much easier to take something where most of the ingredients are in place and make the last few changes to make it better. That's what COS did with Quins. That's what Eddie Jones did with England. It's even, in a lesser way, what JK did in his first season - but he couldn't back it up.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
DazzaS (IP Logged)
23 April, 2018 15:07
Daily Mail in their review of Leinster match over the weekend has a line in there saying Lancaster is possibly shortlisted for Quins DOR.

 
Re: New DOR Rumour Thread
Yareet (IP Logged)
23 April, 2018 15:39
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mandator
The question is does any one good want the job? The way the squad has been playing recently is a mountain to climb for any one new coming in. The next two games are crucial.
If we get a 50 point thrashing by Exeter and there is booing and mass walkouts this is bound to put off any good candidate.

Are Quins in any worse a position than Saints were yet they've managed to bag a seemingly decent replacement for Mallinder.



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