Quote:Quinten Poulsen
They'll need to revise the 98% at stadium capacity figure after this season's disappointing crowd numbers.
Quote:DOKQuote:Quinten Poulsen
They'll need to revise the 98% at stadium capacity figure after this season's disappointing crowd numbers.
Not if previous history is anything to go by. For whatever reasons, Mark Evans managed to build the crowd numbers in the teeth of some consistently bad performances and so far we haven't seen the numbers drop since winning the prem way back. Indeed wasn't it this season we hit an all time record for season tickets?
Quote:Her indoors Quin
I have not ventured to comment before and apologies for any lack of cultural fit with the board but this “Vision” email from the club really exasperated a patient other half supporter. Firstly, it does not have the honesty to admit that the proposals are essentially a property deal. Secondly, in all my years of business I have never seen such dreadful marketing timing or such inappropriate tone. Any enhanced match day experience is irrelevant when the first team pitch up without any hope or heart at season ticket renewal time. We are attracting national press attention for all the wrong reasons, e.g. Times podcast casting us in a far worse light than Northampton or Bath. For once, could not the CEO consider the power of a well written letter to paying and loyal supporters, acknowledging poor performance, asking for patience and setting out what he will have achieved by the opening game of next season. Existing customers are so much easier to keep than replace. In good and bad times there should surely be mutual respect and loyalty between a club and it’s supporters.
Quote:never sleep
This is a major investment. You can't put in on hold due to a poor result on the field. There is probably a communication timeline and meetings with investors set up, etc.
I think that the Stoop struggles with crowds at AP games. The queues at the toilets in the South Stand are so long that going at 1/2 time is an issue. There are large outdoor areas for food and drink that are great on a sunny day - but no good on a rainy day. The Queens Head bar is too small.
Also, from a commercial point of view, there are too many "low value" seats in the North and South Stands and not enough "premium" seats in the East and West - - basically, we make more money out of the East and West stands than the North and South even though the number of seats is similar. Therefore, just extending the North stand would be just papering over the cracks and would probably not increase numbers or earnings.
I want:
1. more toilets
2. bigger bars
3. TVs that are big enough to see (behind the sticks would be good).
4. A bigger Kings bar with a proper stage so that we could see the band
5. A raised front row of seats so that we can see over the promenaders.
6. More legroom for the seats in the East stand.
7. A clubhouse for Quinsa
8. A museum
9. A large indoor cafeteria/coffee shop
10. wider pavements outside the ground for pedestrian access
11. speed bumps and traffic calming access road from the a316 to make drivers slow down
that's all for now :-)
Quote:never sleep
I want:
1. more toilets
2. bigger bars
Quote:Fearless FredQuote:never sleep
This is a major investment. You can't put in on hold due to a poor result on the field. There is probably a communication timeline and meetings with investors set up, etc.
I think that the Stoop struggles with crowds at AP games. The queues at the toilets in the South Stand are so long that going at 1/2 time is an issue. There are large outdoor areas for food and drink that are great on a sunny day - but no good on a rainy day. The Queens Head bar is too small.
Also, from a commercial point of view, there are too many "low value" seats in the North and South Stands and not enough "premium" seats in the East and West - - basically, we make more money out of the East and West stands than the North and South even though the number of seats is similar. Therefore, just extending the North stand would be just papering over the cracks and would probably not increase numbers or earnings.
I want:
1. more toilets
2. bigger bars
3. TVs that are big enough to see (behind the sticks would be good).
4. A bigger Kings bar with a proper stage so that we could see the band
5. A raised front row of seats so that we can see over the promenaders.
6. More legroom for the seats in the East stand.
7. A clubhouse for Quinsa
8. A museum
9. A large indoor cafeteria/coffee shop
10. wider pavements outside the ground for pedestrian access
11. speed bumps and traffic calming access road from the a316 to make drivers slow down
that's all for now :-)
I'd agree with pretty much all of this. The toilet issue is just as bad at the north end at the moment. There's the small loos in the West Stand North that have to cater for half the West & Half the North Stands, while the facilities at the North End of the East stand do the same job for the remaining North Stand & half the East Stand. Yes, there are loos in the Kings Bar & Players bar, but the Players bar ones are sometimes out of use if there's Corporate Hostility in there.
The food Village is certainly an improvement over the last few years, with the range of offerings & location away from the gates. Instead of a permanent roof over it, I'd like it to still be able to be open to the sun on those rare days that it's shining.
Permanent Screens shouldn't be an issue in a new-build like this. As TMOs are now required at all games, screens are going to be required for the Ref to see the review. I think the only reason we haven't had fixed screens so far is the design of the Stoop at the moment.
I'd guess that all the bar/entertainment venues in the New Stoop will be designed to try to make people want to stay loner after games, as well as the potential for being used on non-matchdays. Maybe regular band nights throughout the year...
I'd also like to see them design the stadium so it can be used as a concert venue more often. The two gigs last year were obviously a trial run to see if they could market music. A 25k venue would be a good size for bands/artists that can't sell out a 70k stadium, but would sell out smaller venues. It would also offer a replacement for the old Earls Court as a venue in the West of London that is larger than existing theatre/nusic venues. Another revenue stream to help the club finances...
Quote:Yes - sometimes walking to an A-league, you are taking your life in your hands. There are also a lot of kids etc. Lets make it safer for them.RodneyRegis
Speedbumps on an A road? Srsly?
Quote:Why?7. A clubhouse for Quinsa
Quote:What's wrong with the bridge?e. build a pedestrian tunnel under the a316 to capitalise on matches at the Big Stoop
Quote:They could open the bar now on a full time basis if they wanted to.d. open a full time pub (Harlequins themed)
Quote:Clearly, there is not enough custom. But, this is likely due to the Stoop not in use for most of the time. Expand the Stoop and these sort of things are more profitable.akb1Quote:They could open the bar now on a full time basis if they wanted to.d. open a full time pub (Harlequins themed)
Why do you think they don't?
Quote:I would agree it doesn't get enough use, but I am sure it is used more than 16 - 20 days a year.The point is the stoop is used for 16-20 days year, it needs to be earning money 200 days a year
Quote:RodneyRegis
Speedbumps on an A road? Srsly?
Quote:never sleepQuote:Clearly, there is not enough custom. But, this is likely due to the Stoop not in use for most of the time. Expand the Stoop and these sort of things are more profitable.akb1Quote:They could open the bar now on a full time basis if they wanted to.d. open a full time pub (Harlequins themed)
Why do you think they don't?
Quote:RodneyRegis
How much do you think it would cost?
Quote:Bolly-QuinQuote:never sleepQuote:Clearly, there is not enough custom. But, this is likely due to the Stoop not in use for most of the time. Expand the Stoop and these sort of things are more profitable.akb1Quote:They could open the bar now on a full time basis if they wanted to.d. open a full time pub (Harlequins themed)
Why do you think they don't?
They could open the Kings Head or Members bar more now, but would need a "pull". If the many bands that play at the Stoop on match days were given slots on non-match days and drinks prices were managed to compete with those on the high street (rather than a flat £1-1.50 less), then the size of the Kings bar could attract decent music or comedy cloud at a venue with much more room than others in the area. A stage would be easy to make.
Quote:rodders1
a total distraction from a company that is about making money not playing better rugby!
Show me the better rugby and "they" have earned the right to be outrageous
until then just start WINNING
Quote:Soz, I meant the tunnel.Bolly-QuinQuote:RodneyRegis
How much do you think it would cost?
Traffic lights? I have no idea (do you?), but if they plan to redevelop to the extent they are planning, better transport access would be crucial, especially to local residents that won't want their roads completely blocked up on match days and would be part of the consultation that is planned.
Quote:rodders1
a total distraction from a company that is about making money not playing better rugby!
Show me the better rugby and "they" have earned the right to be outrageous
until then just start WINNING
Quote:never sleep
A believe that Quinsa sometimes receive gifts from other supporters associations. These should have a home. The French clubs tend to have a place in ground for their supporters association. this would be a good addition.
The bridge is good - but, a tunnel would feed more people to the Stoop and the car parks on the other side of the A316 - and it is accessible to less mobile people. I think that this would give us more opportunity to earn money on games over the road.
Quote:HonkyTonkQuote:never sleep
A believe that Quinsa sometimes receive gifts from other supporters associations. These should have a home. The French clubs tend to have a place in ground for their supporters association. this would be a good addition.
The bridge is good - but, a tunnel would feed more people to the Stoop and the car parks on the other side of the A316 - and it is accessible to less mobile people. I think that this would give us more opportunity to earn money on games over the road.
Out of interest, what does happen to the gifts currently??
Quote:blucherquin
No club/bar/venue is going to work there - we can walk to so many already - why would people drive to the Stoop? (Assuming very few are going to walk out of Twickenham past lots of bars and restaurants to get there).
Quote:blucherquin
If a high-end restaurant was going to make it in Twickers it would have done by now -- and the only alternative is yet another family place, and as I say, why would I bother going as far as the Stoop?
I'll be amazed if that place opposite the station that serves £100 wagu steaks lasts long. Guess it depends if they're making any more from drinks for people in the new development.
Quote:Bolly-QuinQuote:blucherquin
No club/bar/venue is going to work there - we can walk to so many already - why would people drive to the Stoop? (Assuming very few are going to walk out of Twickenham past lots of bars and restaurants to get there).
Out of interest, where are the club/bar/venues that can be walked to in Twickenham?
Quote:Scaramouche
if you have a top chef, people will travel specially.
Quote:YareetQuote:blucherquin
If a high-end restaurant was going to make it in Twickers it would have done by now -- and the only alternative is yet another family place, and as I say, why would I bother going as far as the Stoop?
I'll be amazed if that place opposite the station that serves £100 wagu steaks lasts long. Guess it depends if they're making any more from drinks for people in the new development.
I think your first statement is a little naive. Manchester has famously not had a Michelin star in forever but people keep trying. By your reckoning, it’s a pointless task.
On that note, I heard the other day that Salt Flakes is going for a star. We’ll see.
M (opposite the station) should do OK. It’s not just wagu beef and tomahawks. They do more reasonably priced stuff as well. They’re also rammed on match day and with the Simon Shaw connection, get player appearances that can’t hurt. Although I guess it didn’t work for Stokes & Moncrieff!
Quote:Quinky Kin
The Stoop could also go the route of having other leisure-related stuff - a gym/spa/health club, or something other activity-based. The obvious sporting connection would be a good draw. Is there still a gym opposite the ground? I can't recall...
Quote:Mayor West
What are everybody's ideas for moneymaking from the stoop? So far we have a soft play unit and a health club Gym. Nuffield might not be too happy about that though. But not a permanent bar or eateries . Not forgetting our large car park is a plus for the area.
Quote:Dark Pies
As a father of 3 i'd say the best thing Quins can do with the Superstoop is build in a massive kids soft-play with a soundproof glass wall, so I can take the children there on away-match days or during 6N and keep an eye on them (with pint) whilst i watch a big telly. (And earn free bonus points with Mrs Pies)
And the rest of the month non-rugby mums could park up directly outside with their offspring and spend much dollar on lattes and fruit shoots.... winning formula.
Quote:DazzaS
Weddings with follow up receptions, buisness conferences, different types of conventions, books, sci fi etc.
AGMs, Business away days etc.
There is a fair amount that can cater for the smaller and cheaper end of the market when compared to what Twickenham Stadium can host.
Quote:blucherquin
Conferences, events, networking things, comedy nights, etc etc.
Quote:blucherquinQuote:DazzaS
Weddings with follow up receptions, buisness conferences, different types of conventions, books, sci fi etc.
AGMs, Business away days etc.
There is a fair amount that can cater for the smaller and cheaper end of the market when compared to what Twickenham Stadium can host.
Yeah I assume it’s this - look at what they do at Exeter.
Conferences, events, networking things, comedy nights, etc etc.
Quote:Quinky KinQuote:blucherquinQuote:DazzaS
Weddings with follow up receptions, buisness conferences, different types of conventions, books, sci fi etc.
AGMs, Business away days etc.
There is a fair amount that can cater for the smaller and cheaper end of the market when compared to what Twickenham Stadium can host.
Yeah I assume it’s this - look at what they do at Exeter.
Conferences, events, networking things, comedy nights, etc etc.
These things happen now. They could do a lot more though.
Quote:Dark Pies
As a father of 3 i'd say the best thing Quins can do with the Superstoop is build in a massive kids soft-play with a soundproof glass wall, so I can take the children there on away-match days or during 6N and keep an eye on them (with pint) whilst i watch a big telly. (And earn free bonus points with Mrs Pies)
And the rest of the month non-rugby mums could park up directly outside with their offspring and spend much dollar on lattes and fruit shoots.... winning formula.
Quote:blucherquinQuote:DazzaS
Weddings with follow up receptions, buisness conferences, different types of conventions, books, sci fi etc.
AGMs, Business away days etc.
There is a fair amount that can cater for the smaller and cheaper end of the market when compared to what Twickenham Stadium can host.
Yeah I assume it’s this - look at what they do at Exeter.
Conferences, events, networking things, comedy nights, etc etc.
Quote:Bolly-QuinQuote:blucherquinQuote:DazzaS
Weddings with follow up receptions, buisness conferences, different types of conventions, books, sci fi etc.
AGMs, Business away days etc.
There is a fair amount that can cater for the smaller and cheaper end of the market when compared to what Twickenham Stadium can host.
Yeah I assume it’s this - look at what they do at Exeter.
Conferences, events, networking things, comedy nights, etc etc.
Oooh, you are awful - I already proposed gig/major music/comedy nights but you stated there were already plenty of “venues” within walking distance - make you’re mind up!
There is a very different opportunity than that presently offered in Twickenham available, if marketed well. I realise the Quins brand has plummeted in your estimation - with good reason - but that doesn’t need negate anything that might be we’ll planned - if they get the right people to promote it.