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Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
DOK. (IP Logged)
26 April, 2018 09:11
Poor ticket sales - who'd have thought?

But apparently both the RFU and Harlequins have a stake in the company organising it.
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Wales-South Africa Test in the USA under threat as the company that set the game up is close to financial ruin.

A company that both the RFU and Harlequins invest in.

RFU now considering their position. #Wales #SouthAfrica #USA #England #Harlequins [t.co]

ó Will Kelleher (@willgkelleher) April 25, 2018

WK is a Daily Mail journalist

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
DOK. (IP Logged)
26 April, 2018 09:14
And here

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The game was set up by promotional company Rugby International Marketing, which is reported to have made a £3m loss by the end of 2017.

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
DOK. (IP Logged)
26 April, 2018 09:20

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
RleQuin (IP Logged)
26 April, 2018 12:07
Another investment gone wrong by the look of it
RleQ

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
DazzaS (IP Logged)
26 April, 2018 12:32
One of the ways Quins are losing money!! This is where the Chief Exec is going wrong. I understand need to diversify but investing money into a country which is already oversaturated with sport and is still not on board with rugby is just waiting to fail.

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
blucherquin (IP Logged)
26 April, 2018 13:25
Rugby in America is never ever going to work.

We have to stop spending money on it.

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
26 April, 2018 13:28
The new MLR season started last weekend. Seattle sold out the first game and have now sold out their second (I think the ground only holds 2000) but its a start!!

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
DazzaS (IP Logged)
26 April, 2018 13:35
Over three years the club has spend over £2.5 million on Welsh product that has not worked- this Welsh game and Jamie Roberts! (Sm100)

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
QuickerQuin (IP Logged)
26 April, 2018 13:49
What are we doing funding games in the USA between Wales and South Africa?

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
DazzaS (IP Logged)
26 April, 2018 14:11
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QuickerQuin
What are we doing funding games in the USA between Wales and South Africa?

Hoping to make money from ticket sales, sponsorships and endorsements etc

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
QuickerQuin (IP Logged)
26 April, 2018 14:12
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QuickerQuin
What are we doing funding games in the USA between Wales and South Africa?

Hoping to make money from ticket sales, sponsorships and endorsements etc

How is it working out, so far?

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
26 April, 2018 17:12
Difficult to say, I expect. But looking at how football clubs have benefited from marketing overseas, I don't blame anyone for trying.



O Fortuna, velut luna statu variabilis,
semper crescis aut decrescis

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
DazzaS (IP Logged)
26 April, 2018 17:28
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QuickerQuin
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QuickerQuin
What are we doing funding games in the USA between Wales and South Africa?

Hoping to make money from ticket sales, sponsorships and endorsements etc

How is it working out, so far?

Working out like a waste of money and one reason David Ellis has failed as the CEO and gotten the club in a financial calamity.

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
27 April, 2018 06:25
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Jammy Git
Difficult to say, I expect. But looking at how football clubs have benefited from marketing overseas, I don't blame anyone for trying.

They tend to carry out marketing in countries where there is a market for football though...

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
Squid (IP Logged)
27 April, 2018 07:15
Money and time that should've been spent on sorting out the Quins rugby team.

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
RleQuin (IP Logged)
27 April, 2018 11:46
Ellis has pushed this USA thing - if the company does go bust and the club loses £1.4m, it could be the end for him
RleQ

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
DOK. (IP Logged)
27 April, 2018 13:32
Something else to discuss at the meet DE evening.

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
Only Joe Quin (IP Logged)
27 April, 2018 14:43
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RleQuin
Ellis has pushed this USA thing - if the company does go bust and the club loses £1.4m, it could be the end for him
RleQ

Yeah, he might have woken up one morning and thought "let's bung £1.4m of cash that we don't have into a blind punt on US rugby". Or on the other hand he could have agreed the investment with the major shareholders who might well have a clear understanding of the risks involved. Who knows?

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
blucherquin (IP Logged)
27 April, 2018 15:20
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Only Joe Quin
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RleQuin
Ellis has pushed this USA thing - if the company does go bust and the club loses £1.4m, it could be the end for him
RleQ

Yeah, he might have woken up one morning and thought "let's bung £1.4m of cash that we don't have into a blind punt on US rugby". Or on the other hand he could have agreed the investment with the major shareholders who might well have a clear understanding of the risks involved. Who knows?

Rugby isnít going to work in America though,

Itíll increase reach a little and people will get some return on their money but itís going nowhere.

Club rugby is barely supported here for goodness sake.

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
27 April, 2018 16:39
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Difficult to say, I expect. But looking at how football clubs have benefited from marketing overseas, I don't blame anyone for trying.

They tend to carry out marketing in countries where there is a market for football though...

No, they tend to do it in emerging markets that haven't been captured by domestic teams.

Hence China, Korea, etc.



O Fortuna, velut luna statu variabilis,
semper crescis aut decrescis

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
blucherquin (IP Logged)
27 April, 2018 18:18
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Jammy Git
Difficult to say, I expect. But looking at how football clubs have benefited from marketing overseas, I don't blame anyone for trying.

They tend to carry out marketing in countries where there is a market for football though...

No, they tend to do it in emerging markets that haven't been captured by domestic teams.

Hence China, Korea, etc.

Hardly emerging. Huge football crazy nations.

America is not an emerging rugby market. There arenít legions of fans wearing Quins or Sarries or Tigers shirts desperate to see their heroes.

You canít move for Man U, Liverpool or now Man City shirts across most of Asia.

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
27 April, 2018 23:20
They're football crazy now. They weren't before. Efforts were made to tap into the market, first by broadcasters, then by clubs and countries. It didn't happen completely by random.



O Fortuna, velut luna statu variabilis,
semper crescis aut decrescis

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
1908 (IP Logged)
28 April, 2018 06:37
It's the holy grail for sports promoters dreaming of introducing rugby to another potentially huge audience. Is a very hard market to break into as we all know.

But whilst thousands of people are still watching Grid Iron and Baseball....two of the most boring sports, imo, that I can think of....then people like Ellis are going to try and crack the USA market. We all think that rugby is a far better spectacle. Trying to persuade the Americans that that is the case is another matter.

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
blucherquin (IP Logged)
28 April, 2018 07:07
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Jammy Git
They're football crazy now. They weren't before. Efforts were made to tap into the market, first by broadcasters, then by clubs and countries. It didn't happen completely by random.

But it did happen because football is the worldís most popular sport.

Rugby isnít very popular even where itís popular.

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
raedarius (IP Logged)
28 April, 2018 10:49
Isn't the thinking behind this that there is a supply of didn't-quite-make-it American Football players to build the sport from, a resource for which there isn't really an equivalent elsewhere?

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
28 April, 2018 11:36
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They're football crazy now. They weren't before. Efforts were made to tap into the market, first by broadcasters, then by clubs and countries. It didn't happen completely by random.

But it did happen because football is the worldís most popular sport.

Rugby isnít very popular even where itís popular.

And America is obsessed with quite a similar sport.

Not trying at all is daft. Which is why everyone is trying. Even the All Blacks.



O Fortuna, velut luna statu variabilis,
semper crescis aut decrescis

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
Squid (IP Logged)
28 April, 2018 13:30
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Jammy Git
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blucherquin
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Jammy Git
They're football crazy now. They weren't before. Efforts were made to tap into the market, first by broadcasters, then by clubs and countries. It didn't happen completely by random.

But it did happen because football is the worldís most popular sport.

Rugby isnít very popular even where itís popular.

And America is obsessed with quite a similar sport.

Not trying at all is daft. Which is why everyone is trying. Even the All Blacks.

The All Blacks offer a rugby culture, systems and results that are the undisputed best in the world.

Quins are no comparison and should stick to sorting out their own problems - like culture, systems and results.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 28/04/2018 13:42 by Squid.

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
blucherquin (IP Logged)
28 April, 2018 14:42
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Jammy Git
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blucherquin
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Jammy Git
They're football crazy now. They weren't before. Efforts were made to tap into the market, first by broadcasters, then by clubs and countries. It didn't happen completely by random.

But it did happen because football is the worldís most popular sport.

Rugby isnít very popular even where itís popular.

And America is obsessed with quite a similar sport.

Not trying at all is daft. Which is why everyone is trying. Even the All Blacks.

Sure - and Iím just saying - as I spend large parts of the year doing business and have family in the states - in my humble opinion - itís not going to work.

It took ďsoccerĒ 40 years - and even now (as weíve previously discussed) itís still eclipsed by college NFL. - and in places like Texas by high school NFL.

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
28 April, 2018 16:30
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Squid
The All Blacks offer a rugby culture, systems and results that are the undisputed best in the world.
Quins are no comparison and should stick to sorting out their own problems - like culture, systems and results.

Er, the All Blacks aren't trying to export anything other than marketing opportunities for money. My point was everyone's at it, from@#$%&sides to the best in the world.



O Fortuna, velut luna statu variabilis,
semper crescis aut decrescis

 
Re: Wales vs South Africa in USA in doubt
Scaramouche (IP Logged)
03 May, 2018 08:57
Looks like its going ahead with 12,00 tickets sold and a month to go....

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