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STOOPER (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 11:06
Notice that Wasps have re-signed Carr again the Sagffer who looked really useful last season.So now have him plus Shields and Hughes.

Even with Bothma hopefully returning fit and properly mended we look a bit thin thin on ball carriers in this area. Robshaw plus a mix of Clifford. Chisholm. Luamanu and Wallace, The latter gentleman really do not seem to offer much in this area so who is going to do the hard yards ?

 
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HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 15:42
TRP stated that Gustad wanted a ball carrying back row and some names had been put forward

 
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blucherquin (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 17:00
I disagree a bit on Chisholm carrying - but overall it’s a worry. I think Bothma could be the answer though.

 
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plzd (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 20:20
Chis and cliff are constantly injured matt l has a gut like a good drinker think he good be useful but how can a professional rugby player be be so out of condition is ridiculous it is a huge weakness mo f and Easter have not been replaced

 
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blucherquin (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 20:49
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Chis and cliff are constantly injured matt l has a gut like a good drinker think he good be useful but how can a professional rugby player be be so out of condition is ridiculous it is a huge weakness mo f and Easter have not been replaced

How do you know he’s out of condition? Or is rugby only now for one body type?



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Banstead Quin (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 10:40
Don’t rise to the troll Blucher.

Bothma, Clifford and Baby Chis are all good carriers and if they bring in one more, it’ll give us cover for injuries and internationals. But we also need grafters at the breakdown so don’t just focus on carriers.

Danny, Sailli & Mike are good carriers as well in the backs so how do we get them engaged sooner from the breakdown. Danny more obvious of course.

Luamanu doesn’t make the Mo type breaks you’d expect him to so I’d like to see Clifford or Baby Chis at 8 and Bothma, Robshaw, newbie and Wallace covering the flanks.

 
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ChipsteadQuin (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 11:02
Doubt Luamanu is too out of condition s he's just been selected as No 8 for his International Debut for Samoa against Fiji

The new lad Dombrandt is a good ball carrier if you watch his highlights reel , although he played Lock and Back row for Cardiff Met it seems we signed him as a 4 or 5 .

Gregor Townsend commented that James Lang was a powerful ball carrier and tackler and that's why hes given him his debut .

Carrying into contact is a lot about confidence and knowing that support players will be close behind you - I think we have some excellent ball carriers , hopefully the coaches can give them that confidence that was lacking last term .



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Cookie (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 11:24
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Banstead Quin
Don’t rise to the troll Blucher.
Bothma, Clifford and Baby Chis are all good carriers and if they bring in one more, it’ll give us cover for injuries and internationals. But we also need grafters at the breakdown so don’t just focus on carriers.

Danny, Sailli & Mike are good carriers as well in the backs so how do we get them engaged sooner from the breakdown. Danny more obvious of course.

Luamanu doesn’t make the Mo type breaks you’d expect him to so I’d like to see Clifford or Baby Chis at 8 and Bothma, Robshaw, newbie and Wallace covering the flanks.

But what else do Bothma, Clifford and Chis have in common.........? Never seem to look at our team sheet and think ‘yeah, we’ll outmuscle them today’.

 
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blucherquin (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 11:44
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Cookie
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Banstead Quin
Don’t rise to the troll Blucher.
Bothma, Clifford and Baby Chis are all good carriers and if they bring in one more, it’ll give us cover for injuries and internationals. But we also need grafters at the breakdown so don’t just focus on carriers.

Danny, Sailli & Mike are good carriers as well in the backs so how do we get them engaged sooner from the breakdown. Danny more obvious of course.

Luamanu doesn’t make the Mo type breaks you’d expect him to so I’d like to see Clifford or Baby Chis at 8 and Bothma, Robshaw, newbie and Wallace covering the flanks.

But what else do Bothma, Clifford and Chis have in common.........? Never seem to look at our team sheet and think ‘yeah, we’ll outmuscle them today’.

Not sure that’s fair - Bothma is a bit of a monster, he looked the real deal in his brief appearance and has bulked up more now. Here’s praying his arm holds up.

 
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Cookie (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 14:35
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blucherquin
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Banstead Quin
Don’t rise to the troll Blucher.
Bothma, Clifford and Baby Chis are all good carriers and if they bring in one more, it’ll give us cover for injuries and internationals. But we also need grafters at the breakdown so don’t just focus on carriers.

Danny, Sailli & Mike are good carriers as well in the backs so how do we get them engaged sooner from the breakdown. Danny more obvious of course.

Luamanu doesn’t make the Mo type breaks you’d expect him to so I’d like to see Clifford or Baby Chis at 8 and Bothma, Robshaw, newbie and Wallace covering the flanks.

But what else do Bothma, Clifford and Chis have in common.........? Never seem to look at our team sheet and think ‘yeah, we’ll outmuscle them today’.

Not sure that’s fair - Bothma is a bit of a monster, he looked the real deal in his brief appearance and has bulked up more now. Here’s praying his arm holds up.

That’s my point. They can only be useful if they’re on the pitch.

 
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quinsfan123 (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 15:21
I disagree, Chisholm consistency made big carries this season and will only get better at this as he gains age, experience and some size. Likewise Bothma carried feriously against Sarries when we beat them in December.

Would like to see a back row of Bothma and Robshaw on the flanks with Chisolm at 8 for next season. With Luamanu or Clifford on the bench.

 
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Rocker (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 16:46
Wallace, Robshaw and Bothma for me. Clifford and Baby Chisholm as back ups.

 
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raedarius (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 17:31
Depends on how Gustard plans to use Wallace for me. If he's back as the main turnover option, I'd have him at seven, otherwise it's Chisholm, Robshaw, Bothma.

Wonder if Clifford will stick around...

 
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Rocker (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 17:33
Clifford has hardly played the last couple of seasons

 
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blucherquin (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 22:51
Wallace seemed to rediscover some form near the end of the season but was otherwise poor.

Can’t work out if Clifford is any good or not anymore coz he never plays.

 
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Rocker (IP Logged)
10 June, 2018 08:13
Don't forget Wallace had what most of us thought would be a season (if not career) ending injury in preseason. Might account for him not being on terribly good form last season.

 
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blucherquin (IP Logged)
10 June, 2018 15:16
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Don't forget Wallace had what most of us thought would be a season (if not career) ending injury in preseason. Might account for him not being on terribly good form last season.

Totally forgot - fair point

 
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Boonie (IP Logged)
11 June, 2018 16:22
Looking at the x-rays of Bothma's arm, half of it is metal now, so it should stand up better than before. I'd have been happier if he'd had the "full Wolverine" treatment, but steel pins ought to help somewhat.



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HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
11 June, 2018 16:24
Lets just hope he does not rust in the winter!!!

 
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Yareet (IP Logged)
11 June, 2018 18:20
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Lets just hope he does not rust in the winter!!!

Tape, gum shield, WD-40



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blucherquin (IP Logged)
12 June, 2018 11:00
He’s spent most the last month promoting what appears to be his new business - a Namibian version of check-a-trade

 
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poorfour (IP Logged)
13 June, 2018 10:28
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blucherquin
He’s spent most the last month promoting what appears to be his new business - a Namibian version of check-a-trade

Man whose current career will end in next few years spends holiday promoting next opportunity shocker!

Not the world's snappiest headline, but it's only doing what plenty of players have done before him.

 
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blucherquin (IP Logged)
14 June, 2018 06:46
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He’s spent most the last month promoting what appears to be his new business - a Namibian version of check-a-trade

Man whose current career will end in next few years spends holiday promoting next opportunity shocker!

Not the world's snappiest headline, but it's only doing what plenty of players have done before him.

I don’t get it. I thought it was interesting coz I follow the bloke on twitter and that’s his new business.

 
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Fearless Fred (IP Logged)
14 June, 2018 08:52
I believe poorfour may have thought you were knocking Bothma, rather than just mentioning it as an interesting fact.



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poorfour (IP Logged)
14 June, 2018 09:09
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I believe poorfour may have thought you were knocking Bothma, rather than just mentioning it as an interesting fact.

Yeah, sorry. Over-reacted a bit. Given the frequency with which any action, or inaction, by anyone to do with Quins gets knocked on this board, I tend to over-assume any offhand comment is a criticism - a lot of which I think are unreasonable and unjustified.

 
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Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
14 June, 2018 20:22
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Fearless Fred
I believe poorfour may have thought you were knocking Bothma, rather than just mentioning it as an interesting fact.

Yeah, sorry. Over-reacted a bit. Given the frequency with which any action, or inaction, by anyone to do with Quins gets knocked on this board, I tend to over-assume any offhand comment is a criticism - a lot of which I think are unreasonable and unjustified.

Agreed.

 
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Kent Fan (IP Logged)
15 June, 2018 07:18
Most ball carrying back rowers seem injury prone, Hughes for Wasps, Billy V Sarries, Ben Morgan Glos, and our boys Chis, Clifford, Matt L plus Tom Guest in the past have all been out for long periods.

Just shows you how durable Nick Easter was....maybe this was due to his relatively late start in the pro game after he had finished growing.

Can’t see how this can be addressed. Maybe superman Itoje who seems to be less effective for England recently will start to tail off in the prem.

 
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blucherquin (IP Logged)
15 June, 2018 08:44
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Kent Fan
Most ball carrying back rowers seem injury prone, Hughes for Wasps, Billy V Sarries, Ben Morgan Glos, and our boys Chis, Clifford, Matt L plus Tom Guest in the past have all been out for long periods.
Just shows you how durable Nick Easter was....maybe this was due to his relatively late start in the pro game after he had finished growing.

Can’t see how this can be addressed. Maybe superman Itoje who seems to be less effective for England recently will start to tail off in the prem.

Then Sarries can just play their new giant 4 from the U20 team. Can’t remember his name but he looks like another all round monster.


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