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Chris Biller
Posted by: King Curtis (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2012 18:18

You're signing him. Arriving tomorrow.

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: Scrummy (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2012 18:26

Is he a friend of Samu?

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: St Francis (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2012 18:28

A spare hooker would come in handy at the mo.

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: St Marlowe (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2012 18:30

wikiPedia
Chris Biller (born 10 October 1985 in Concord, California) is an American rugby union player who is currently on a short term contract with Bath Rugby.
Chris is currently playing rugby for San Francisco Golden Gate, following his collegiate career with the California Golden Bears. He was named to the Collegiate All-Americans before his debut on the Men's National Team vs Ireland in May 2009 which he scored a try.
In November 2011 Bath Rugby signed him on a short term contract to cover for injured players.



David L

What if there were no hypothetical questions?

- Live wrong and preposterously

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: St Marlowe (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2012 18:32

It would suggest that Mikey Haywood's shoulder injury is bad.



David L

What if there were no hypothetical questions?

- Live wrong and preposterously

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: John Rickerd (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2012 18:37

Or hopefully, they don't want to rush him back to early this time?

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: soapinthebath (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2012 18:56

Good player, solid skill set.

Came in and was one of few positives during our thrashing in Dublin. Foreign player rules stopped him playing more for us IMO, and now Mears, Dixon and Batty are all fit.

Who else are your foreign guys besides Samu?



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Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: steve393 (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2012 18:56

If Haywood's injury is indeed a dislocation, then I'm amazed he came back so soon, and not surprised in the slightest it went again. Like one or two others on here, I've had personal experience, and boy it ain't nice.

Suspect he might be going under the surgeon's knife. Good wishes to the lad.

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: Matthew (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2012 19:02

I'm sure Jim indicated in the interview after the game Haywood did his shoulder again that it might be best to get him under the knife and get the shoulder fixed.

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: Rubadubdub; remember Seb Tubb? (IP Logged)
Date: 26 February, 2012 19:47

Quote:
steve393
If Haywood's injury is indeed a dislocation, then I'm amazed he came back so soon, and not surprised in the slightest it went again. Like one or two others on here, I've had personal experience, and boy it ain't nice.
Suspect he might be going under the surgeon's knife. Good wishes to the lad.

Having dislocated it twice in short succession, surgery is the only course of action as a professional sportsman, especially as a hooker. In fact I'm surprised that they went the conservative route, given his position, and the relative long term success rate of surgery in the sporting shoulder. Flexion/Abduction and lateral rotation at the shoulder is what is known as the close packed position; I.e. the shoulder's most vulnerable position in regards to anterior dislocation (think back to Ian Hunter during the 93 lions tour, when he tackled the new zealander by their pocket). As a hooker, the binding position and any subsequent 'dropped' scrum would leave him hugely susceptible to further dislocation. However It could have been that Posterior dislocation was the culprit in heywoods case, and maybe felt that the risks of further dislocation may have been minimal. Nevertheless, I reckon surgery is the likeliest option.

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: RedSaint (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 04:52

Quote:
soapinthebath
Who else are your foreign guys besides Samu?

Samu holds a Tongan passport, Vas doesn't.

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: St Owen (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 07:52

Quote:
steve393
If Haywood's injury is indeed a dislocation, then I'm amazed he came back so soon, and not surprised in the slightest it went again. Like one or two others on here, I've had personal experience, and boy it ain't nice.
Suspect he might be going under the surgeon's knife. Good wishes to the lad.

Yes, completely agree. Having also had a similar injury to what i understand Haywod might have I was concerned & amazed that the club saw fit to play him so soon.

Obviously, we're not present at the club during the week / at medical assessments and don't know the judgement calls that are made... but the results would suggest that he was rushed back far too early.

Somebody needs shooting if thats the case because this type of injury really could be absolutely critical for a hooker's career.



You can't always get what you want, But if you try sometimes well you might find, You get what you need.

Richards/Jagger

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: Saint Dom (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 08:58

Had no idea there were so many experienced medics on this board, but their contribution is well made!

But let's hope surgery for Haywood really is highly successful, because if this promising young player is not repaired it will be a tragedy indeed.

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: St Owen (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 09:04

Quote:
Saint Dom
Had no idea there were so many experienced medics on this board, but their contribution is well made!


Ha, if only.

I just look at the circumstances and draw the only logical conclusion...



You can't always get what you want, But if you try sometimes well you might find, You get what you need.

Richards/Jagger

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: MoANjAm (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 10:52

Hold on, so Vas isn't Tongan all of a sudden?



"sup·port·er"

Noun:
1.A person who approves of and encourages someone or something (typically a public figure, a movement or party, or a policy).
2.A person who is actively interested in and wishes success for a particular sports team.



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Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: Former Hollywood Saint (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 12:06

So it's a done deal?


FHS.

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: marshie10 (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 12:24

Chris is on his way up to Northampton today, really nice guy and a very solid player. Put in a couple of 80 minutes shifts for us and gets around the park really well. Good luck to him and Saints.

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: steve393 (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 13:00

Quote:
Saint Dom
Had no idea there were so many experienced medics on this board, but their contribution is well made!

I may not be a medic, but clearly events would prove they've got it wrong in this case. In fact I'd go as far as to say imo the club's medical staff has let down Mike rather badly here. Whoever passed him as fit to play should be getting a rollicking.



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Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: tws (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 17:39

I may not be a medic, but clearly events would prove they've got it wrong in this case. In fact I'd go as far as to say imo the club's medical staff has let down Mike rather badly here. Whoever passed him as fit to play should be getting a rollicking.[/quote]

Oh please,we don't know the details. It's not an exact science and there is huge pressure to get players on the field. guys play with injuries all the time. Our record for getting and keeping, people fit is remarkable. Wasps have had three premature retirements and another 8 out for the season . Give our people some credit.

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: SaintsDuncan (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 19:50

[quote tws]I may not be a medic, but clearly events would prove they've got it wrong in this case. In fact I'd go as far as to say imo the club's medical staff has let down Mike rather badly here. Whoever passed him as fit to play should be getting a rollicking.[/quote]

Oh please,we don't know the details. It's not an exact science and there is huge pressure to get players on the field. guys play with injuries all the time. Our record for getting and keeping, people fit is remarkable. Wasps have had three premature retirements and another 8 out for the season . Give our people some credit.[/quote]

I suspect there's huge pressure to be allowed on the field too...

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: Rubadubdub; remember Seb Tubb? (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 20:05

Quote:
steve393
Quote:
Saint Dom
Had no idea there were so many experienced medics on this board, but their contribution is well made!

I may not be a medic, but clearly events would prove they've got it wrong in this case. In fact I'd go as far as to say imo the club's medical staff has let down Mike rather badly here. Whoever passed him as fit to play should be getting a rollicking.

Harsh judgement; if it was an anterior dislocation then research dictates that the reduction should have been Followed by surgical, due to the high probability of repeat dislocations as a direct result of rotator cuff, ligament and capsular damage. However, if the dislocation was posterior (head of humerus pops out towards the back) then if the area retained good mobility, and the rotator cuff remained intact then it is possible, and fair to believe that Closed Conservative reduction with physio may be the best route, especially considering the unusual position the joint would have to get into to re-dislocate i.e. the classic behind the back arm lock position that you learn in the playground; but to complete dislocation!

Of course, it could be that whilst the club is saying that it is a dislocation, it could be something entirely different, such as a SLAP lesion, or (labrum tear) this is the piece of cartliganous tissue that makes the shoulder socket deeper and ensures that the head of the humerus is congruant to the socket. The club may have just released the dislocation as an umbrella term which, the pay person can associate with.

Either way it is reasonable that both the club and heywood (let's not forget that as a consenting adult he would have give informed consent to any treatment; I.e. he would have to be told and understand the implications of surgery/non-surgery) would come to the conclusion that non surgical intervention may be the best course of action in the immediacy of the injury.

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: SaintsDuncan (IP Logged)
Date: 27 February, 2012 20:23

Seem to recall Jim saying post match it popped out then straight back in

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: Rubadubdub; remember Seb Tubb? (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 06:35

The problem is that the shoulder or glenohumeral joint, although classed as a ball and socket joint is, without the labrum, very much a convex bone (the head of the humerus) on a very flat bone (the glenoid fossa of the scapula). Consequently the glenoid labrum, is a gristly piece of tissue, which surrounds the edge of the glenoid fossa and makes it concave enough for the head of the humerus to sit in. This means that when a dislocation occurs it can quite often tear the labrum which leaves the joint unstable. Further more, the damage to the joint capsule is also an important factor to consider. The joint capsule in the shoulder is relatively weak when comparing to that of the hip, the other ball and socket joint. This is due to the two structures differing functions I.e. the hip requires greater stability in order to stand for long periods of time, whilst the shoulder requires greater mobility so that you can use your hands in a functional manner. Resultantly whilst many of the structures are similar in their most basic aspects, they are also completely different in regards to shape, size and function. The socket of the hip, the acetabulum, is deep and offers greater congruency to the bulbous head of he femur. There is a greater ligamentous component in the hip, which is very much part of a very thick joint capsule (for an example of th capsule think about the joint of a Sunday roast lamb; the capsule is the white and extremely thick and relitively immobile material that surrounds the joint on the bone, which makes it difficult to just pull And tear the joint apart); whilst the surronding muscle is very much needed for power and strength, rather than its stabilising ability. This is why the hip rarely becomes dislocated. In contrast, if we had the same amount of ligamentous and capsular tissue in the shoulder, along with a deep socket joint, we would not be able to function as we do as our arms would have a serious lack of range in regards to movement. The compromise is very little ligament and joint capsule, and greater reliance on stabilising muscles; specifically the four that make up the rotator cuff. Resultantly, even a minor and brief dislocation definitely causes capsular damage, although you may get away without rotator cuff lengthening, and labrum tears; which may explain the reasoning for conservative treatment.

So yes, whilst JIM may have said Popped out and in, there are still a lot of structures which remain compromised by this.

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: St Francis (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 06:40

Ah, RRST... all those years training at Dewhurst's have paid off!

 
Re: Chris Biller
Posted by: Rubadubdub; remember Seb Tubb? (IP Logged)
Date: 28 February, 2012 13:54

Actually st francis, I got all my education at the red brick institute of Sauls of spratton...

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