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andysaint
Lions
andysaint (IP Logged)
17 April, 2017 19:01
Teo and Sinkler in.
Launchbury out.
Lawes in.
Hartley 50-50
Joseph out together with Robshaw Haskell and Ford.

14 England players to be England so: Marler, Vunipola, George, Lawes, Kruis, Vunipola, Youngs, Farrell, Teo, Sinkler, Nowell, Daly, Cole, Itoje?

BBC Sport



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Re: Lions
Robby Richmond (IP Logged)
17 April, 2017 20:48
Joe L is getting married.



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SaintED
Re: Lions
SaintED (IP Logged)
17 April, 2017 20:55
Is that you suggesting that's why he might not be picked Robby?

 
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Re: Lions
SaintMaul (IP Logged)
17 April, 2017 21:17
The apparent leaks to the press remind me of the Lancaster era.

It's wrong the media should find out before players - if true. The way different papers are reporting it confidently suggests they have a source.

Quite easily coincidence. But Andy Farrell is the common denominator.

 
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Re: Lions
Robby Richmond (IP Logged)
17 April, 2017 21:44
Quote:
SaintMaul
The apparent leaks to the press remind me of the Lancaster era.
It's wrong the media should find out before players - if true. The way different papers are reporting it confidently suggests they have a source.

Quite easily coincidence. But Andy Farrell is the common denominator.

Wiggy Roundtree was well known as the mole in the England camp

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SaintED
Is that you suggesting that's why he might not be picked Robby?

Merely pointing out a statement of fact.



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Eif Jones
Re: Lions
Eif Jones (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 01:34
The Aviva rugby commentators over the weekend were so obviously cheer leaders for the English hopefuls. At the BT game on Sunday, Hartley and Lawes were given the full treatment, Lawes deserved it but ?Hartley, how they could propose that both Sunday's hookers should be selected.

 
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Re: Lions
Robby Richmond (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 01:37
Quote:
Eif Jones
The Aviva rugby commentators over the weekend were so obviously cheer leaders for the English hopefuls. At the BT game on Sunday, Hartley and Lawes were given the full treatment, Lawes deserved it but ?Hartley, how they could propose that both Sunday's hookers should be selected.

Erm, cos Best & Owens throwing under pressure is poor & the Scots hookers are under sized.



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HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: Lions
HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 08:10
Set piece Dylan is rock solid. Plus fired up in his homeland.

 
Saintalex
Re: Lions
Saintalex (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 10:54
I think he has to go

 
LeicesterSaint
Re: Lions
LeicesterSaint (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 11:57
I say this as a huge fan of his but is the 'fired up in his homeland' a plus or a worry? For me there is a slight concern that the Kiwis will get under his skin, particularly if he ends up playing a central role in the midweek team where all the non-test kiwis will have a point to prove.

 
St tub
Re: Lions
St tub (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 12:25
If you start with the test side

2 Irish props - plus (likely) Owens
AWJ plus Itoje
Warburton, O'Brien, Billy V

Irish half backs
Farrell & Davies

North, Hogg plus one shirt up for grabs

The rest at that point kind of makes sense

 
HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: Lions
HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 12:51
Why does Davies deserve a starters jersey?

 
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Re: Lions
Neil-H (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 13:44
You could also say the same about O'Brien? he had a poor 6 Nations by his standards

My back 3 would be North, Hogg, Williams

My Back row would be Warburton, Billy V, Turpric

Both Irish Props

Itoje as lock

Then rest are up for grabs imho... you could argue Irish Half Backs, but depends on how we want to play... as if we didnt already know!!!

 
saintsfella
Re: Lions
saintsfella (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 13:47
Are you welsh by any chance Neil?



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Re: Lions
Neil-H (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 13:53
How bloody dare you!!!!! *

Nope English... well half Irish, but I am English

So which of the 4 Welsh i mentioned wouldnt you have in your team and who would you replace them with?

 
saintsfella
Re: Lions
saintsfella (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 13:59
Haha! I think hard to justify Liam Williams (as much as I rate him as a very good all rounder) with a place in the starting team, although I may take him. But would personally start Watson, Nowell and Zebo over him. I would also argue our George hasn't been in good enough form to start but I think he will get the chance and he will probably do very well on the big stage.

I personally don't even think I'd take Tipuric. A good all round game and very athletic but not enough grunt for me. I would even rather see Robshaw (no chance) there than him, but more realistically it should probably be O'Brien, or perhaps Warburton with CJ Stander or Taulupe at 6. I think Warburton a great shout for the 6 shirt if not, however.

 
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Re: Lions
Neil-H (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 14:15
English by any chance Fella? winking smiley

to beat the All Blacks, you will need some mavericks, game changers... IMHO Hogg and Williams are 2 guys that can make something happen, you have to have them, of the 3 you suggest, maybe Watson, purely for his pace, but he isnt in the maverick level as the other 2, ball in broken play, Williams n Hogg any day for me

George, if plays well, causes any team grief.

Tipuric, I just rate him, his work rate, at break down and interlink play, his ball handling, we need our back row all over the field, covering ground in attack and defense, and with Billy V n warburton at 6, gives balance, but maybe not a 3rd line out option, but then you have Hartley for his set piece

CJ Stander was great going forward, n ok he beaten All Blacks recently, so in with a chance? O'Brien hasnt been consistant enough recently, mainly due to injuries...

But what I love is there are sooooo many places up for grabs

 
Aylesbury Saint
Re: Lions
Aylesbury Saint (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 14:35
Quote:
Eif Jones
The Aviva rugby commentators over the weekend were so obviously cheer leaders for the English hopefuls. At the BT game on Sunday, Hartley and Lawes were given the full treatment, Lawes deserved it but ?Hartley, how they could propose that both Sunday's hookers should be selected.

Good about time the English commentators stood up for the English players. Get pig sick of all the Irish and Welsh ex players putting case for their old team mates and our commentators trying to be neutral.

 
saintsfella
Re: Lions
saintsfella (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 14:36
Haha yes! Although don't think my selections are too bias, worth remembering the nations respective positions in the 6N table. Afraid I have to disagree on Williams, I'd say he had little to no X-Factor but is a very rugged and reliable winger which I rate. But North and Watson for me, or possibly Nowell who I probably overrate.

O'Brien has been quiet in the 6N but I would imagine he would be the starting 7 if you asked the back rowers from the competing countries who they'd least like to face.

Agreed- genuinely could see anyone going tomorrow. Although as per previous years I expect Gatland to over pick welsh players, and possibly Irish as they did England in the 6N.

 
saintsfella
Re: Lions
saintsfella (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 14:45
For what it's worth, my Lions test team would be:

McGrath
Hartley
Furlong
AWJ
Courtney
Warburton
O'Brien
Vunipola

Murray
Sexton

Watson
Farrell
Joseph
North
Hogg

Best
Mako
Sinckler (over Cole for bench impact)
Launchbury
O'Mahony
Webb
Henshaw
L. Williams



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HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: Lions
HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 15:20
Saintsfella I agree although not convinced with Watson. Currently flatters to deceive IMHO....

 
saintsfella
Re: Lions
saintsfella (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 15:25
Definitely overrated but has bags of pace and can step anyone. We need a bit of spice to an otherwise solid backline- especially if JJ isn't picked as rumoured.

Daly on the bench could also be interesting. Can cover 11-15 and has a potentially match winning boot....

 
Saint Swill
Re: Lions
Saint Swill (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 15:34
Is Alun Wyn Jones really one of the current two best locks in Great Britain and Ireland?

 
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Re: Lions
OldPete (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 16:35
I just love the way that every Lions tour these petty nationalisms take over - perhaps we should just drop this post imperial nostalgia and go fora NH ( European team ) bringing French and Georgians into play - what fun .

 
Deesaint
Re: Lions
Deesaint (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 17:51
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Saint Swill
Is Alun Wyn Jones really one of the current two best locks in Great Britain and Ireland?

Thought that myself
Did he stand out in six nations ?
No

 
Brackleysaint
Re: Lions
Brackleysaint (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 17:56
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Saint Swill
Is Alun Wyn Jones really one of the current two best locks in Great Britain and Ireland?

My view as well, two years ago yes, on six nations form both Gray brothers, Ryan, Launchbury & Lawes had far better tournaments.



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SaintED
Re: Lions
SaintED (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 20:30
Deesaint I actually thought he had some very good games in the 6 Nations and for both Wales and Ospreys he's a hugely important player. None of that changes the fact that he isn't better than any of the four English locks at least one of whom will miss out because of his almost guaranteed selection.

 
HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: Lions
HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 20:35
Wyn Jones is a big leader, just for that alone he definitely goes.

 
Christoff
Re: Lions
smitferbrainz (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 22:35
Gatland is the boss. Stands to reason there'll be some selection bias. Chris Jones was suggesting Jonathan Davies would get selected in front of Jonathon Joseph. If true says everything for me.

 
HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: Lions
HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 22:35
Jesus Lord

Jamie Roberts and Keith Earls apparently going?

 
Aylesbury Saint
Re: Lions
Aylesbury Saint (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 22:57
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HungryLikeTheWolf
Wyn Jones is a big leader, just for that alone he definitely goes.

Is he really a big leader? Was talked around to kick for the corner and then came out in public and said wasn't his fault. Doesn't sound like someone I would want to follow

 
HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: Lions
HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 23:15
He is a leader just watch last Lions behind scenes video.


Anyway who cares? They've picked a garbage squad....

 
andysaint
Re: Lions
andysaint (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 23:16
Hartley set to miss out

BBC Sport

 
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Re: Lions
Robby Richmond (IP Logged)
18 April, 2017 23:37
http://i.imgur.com/MgkRVJf.gif



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Eif Jones
Re: Lions
Eif Jones (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 01:43
Ayelsbury Saint, you obviously do not watch as much rugby on 2W or S4C as I do, its the last thing I would suggest that the Welsh commentators do i.e. overpraise Welsh players, if anything they are too critical.

 
SaintED
Re: Lions
SaintED (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 06:51
Is it still 2013? We're playing Australia right? phew, everything will be fine then ...

 
St tub
Re: Lions
St tub (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 11:03
If that is the touring side then a certain Sturgeon will be prioritizing a national embargo of lamb - be it Welsh or Kiwi - for some time

 
Omnium
Re: Lions
Omnium (IP Logged)
20 April, 2017 00:04
Gatland. Your team is underwhelming.

 
Saintalex
Re: Lions
Saintalex (IP Logged)
20 April, 2017 11:31
Doesnt give me much confidence that... Really pleased for Courtney, very surprised neither Gray brothers got picked


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