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HungryLikeTheWolf
Clermont thoughts
HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 17:59
Let’s try talking about this weeks rugby instead of all the other noise!

I actually think we have a sensible outside chance. We have been written off as 18 point underdogs but Clermont have been far from scintillating this season apart from the odd game.

They are 9th, repeat, 9th in the Top 14.

They only beat a really poor Ospreys by 5 last week.

They’re a team slightly in transition from the old guard of Rougerie, Parra and the like.

Apart from Saracens twice we’ve been good or very good every game. Assuming Horne is back I fancy us to score plenty of points. The last time we were given a pasting at home in this comp we then won in Dublin against similar odds.

We haven’t become a bad team overnight assuming we do not kick aimlessly to Abendanon, Raka etc


Thoughts?

 
tedge
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tedge (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 18:09
Saints to lose by 30 points

 
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Chris Hoddle (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 18:12
Team already selected as they fly out Friday. Expect a few changes Saints show suggest at 10 and maybe some in pack



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Duckonstilts
Re: Clermont thoughts
Duckonstilts (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 18:19
I tend to agree with you HLTW. 2 bad games vs the same team. We need to solve that but not for a while. We have every chance with the right 10/12/13.



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HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: Clermont thoughts
HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 18:20
Groome
Francis
Foden
Burrell
Horne
Collins
Tuala


Non negotiable IMHO.

 
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Le marseillais (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 18:21
You've lost G North, but we lost today Peceli Yato (suspended for 3 weeks) and Greg Laidlaw (fracture of the fibula).
We have a lot of injuries, for main players (Chouly, Nakaitaci, Fofana etc )
But we never loose in Clermont..



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Duckonstilts
Re: Clermont thoughts
Duckonstilts (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 18:25
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HungryLikeTheWolf
Groome
Francis
Foden
Burrell
Horne
Collins
Tuala


Non negotiable IMHO.

Mostly agrer but if foden went to 15 and Pisi or one of the million wingers we have come in I could accept that. The above is good though.

 
HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: Clermont thoughts
HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 18:31
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Le marseillais
You've lost G North, but we lost today Peceli Yato (suspended for 3 weeks) and Greg Laidlaw (fracture of the fibula).
We have a lot of injuries, for main players (Chouly, Nakaitaci, Fofana etc )
But we never loose in Clermont..


Good intel Phil. Never hey?

 
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Re: Clermont thoughts
Le marseillais (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 18:36
Quote:
HungryLikeTheWolf
Quote:
Le marseillais
You've lost G North, but we lost today Peceli Yato (suspended for 3 weeks) and Greg Laidlaw (fracture of the fibula).
We have a lot of injuries, for main players (Chouly, Nakaitaci, Fofana etc )
But we never loose in Clermont..


Good intel Phil. Never hey?

Should I say: "it is very difficult to beat Clermont in Clermont" ? (Sm115)



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HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: Clermont thoughts
HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 18:41
Understood ...

 
Deesaint
Re: Clermont thoughts
Deesaint (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 18:46
Harry at 15 for me
If we are going to offer an attacking game
Let’s go all out

 
HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: Clermont thoughts
HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 18:56
Not averse to that idea..... not much to lose.

 
Brackleysaint
Re: Clermont thoughts
Brackleysaint (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 19:05
If Harry at 15 then Tuala to wing in place of Foden.

 
Saint in Florida
Re: Clermont thoughts
Saint in Florida (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 19:23
This is the kind of post I want to read. Means I can put away the knife and recover my wrists.

We cannot change what is behind us and we can influence what is in front and can only say a loud hear hear to HLTW for his realistic take.

 
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shendy (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 19:29
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Le marseillais
Quote:
HungryLikeTheWolf
Quote:
Le marseillais
You've lost G North, but we lost today Peceli Yato (suspended for 3 weeks) and Greg Laidlaw (fracture of the fibula).
We have a lot of injuries, for main players (Chouly, Nakaitaci, Fofana etc )
But we never loose in Clermont..


Good intel Phil. Never hey?

Should I say: "it is very difficult to beat Clermont in Clermont" ? (Sm115)

That's what Agen and Leicester said :-)
A while ago I will admit...



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andysaint
Re: Clermont thoughts
andysaint (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 19:31
A lot of talk about backs again but for me it will be the forwards where the biggest gain or loss will be.

Waller Hartley Ford-Robinson
Ribbans Day (if available)
Lawes Harrison
Dickinson

Not seen enough of Van Wyk and whilst I am not Waller’s biggest fan he is relatively consistent.

Brookes needs to be very much more involved off the ball. Ford-Robinson will give us more there. Brookes’ form has not improved sufficiently to be considered a first choice prop I think.

We need Day for some leadership and go forward. Patterson has had a good season but was quiet on Sunday. Api for all of his bulk does not get through enough work I think.

How back row needs to be more active which is why I’d have Harrison in who will bring more dynamism. Dickinson I still rate and is consistent.

Amongst the backs, I’d have Groom Francis Collins Burrell Horne Elliott Tuala

On the bench I’d go

Van Wyk Haywood Hill Patterson Gibson Reinach Mallinder Stephenson

Foden is not the future and does not show enough pace anymore. Myler or Mallinder on the bench and get Francis bedded in. Mallinder for me as he can cover 10 12 15. Stephenson can cover 12 and 13 and we need options at centre. Francis and Mallinder are not options there. Groom as starter should be a given. Elliott has proved he is dependable in big games and can defend well.

 
Walks11
Re: Clermont thoughts
Walks11 (IP Logged)
18 October, 2017 22:38
HLW's back line.. a change at prop and suspect Woody will be in the starting XV this week. Eadie Wood Harrison would be nice but too early for Mitch I guess. So Lawes, Wood, Harrison. Jamie G to have a rest

we have come back from a hiding to win in week 2 before so no reason why we cant this week and probably no better time to play Clermont. We need to have a strong first quarter with some points on the board and then who knows. If we concede early it could be tin hat time

 
Nath-coys
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Nath-coys (IP Logged)
19 October, 2017 06:35
Groom
Francis
Collins
Burell
Horne/Stephenson
Foden
Mallinder

Would quite like too see Harry at Fullback too see how he goes.
Could be a second playmaker, but like goode at sarries I guess. And then allows us too have to physicality at 12 of
Burell.
Ace has been good but don't want too play him in too the ground.

Just a thought so you think Tuala could make a decent winger? He is a great finisher and always seems to beat the first man.
With North injured, Collins Harry ace looks a pretty good back 3?

 
Brackleysaint
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Brackleysaint (IP Logged)
19 October, 2017 08:08
Tuala has played on the wing for us and made some decent finishes.

 
Remy63
Re: Clermont thoughts
Remy63 (IP Logged)
19 October, 2017 08:15
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HungryLikeTheWolf
I actually think we have a sensible outside chance. We have been written off as 18 point underdogs but Clermont have been far from scintillating this season apart from the odd game.

They are 9th, repeat, 9th in the Top 14.

They only beat a really poor Ospreys by 5 last week.

They’re a team slightly in transition from the old guard of Rougerie, Parra and the like.

From a Clermont's point of view, it's hard to deny that you have a chance to win in Clermont this time.

Although we have seen something new so far this season at the Liberty Stadium, some aggressiveness in the tackle, some defensive consistency and a 100% at the set piece, we are clearly beatable notably if your backs play a wide and fast game. As you said, we only beat a poor side by 5.

We have a lot of injuried guys (Vahaamahina, Iturria, Fofana, Nakaitaci, Chouly, Abendanon, Laidlaw) or suspended (Yato). Even if Fofana and bendy could be back for the game, our forwards are really weakened by the missing of our best one (Vahaamahina) and the two who are bringing some binders between the forwards and the backs (Iturria and Chouly).

Sarries are out of the radar for now, not only for you but for every single team in Europe.

Toeava's return is a big boost for us. The most gifted player I've ever seen apart of Sivivatu.

Ps : Parra is 28 grinning smiley



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HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: Clermont thoughts
HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
19 October, 2017 08:37
Thank you Remy, although you're making me a little too optimistic now...

 
tboullem
Re: Clermont thoughts
Mobbs (IP Logged)
19 October, 2017 09:33
Oh what the hell, lets be optimistic. I remember that Ulster, Leinster and going back a little further Biarritz never seemed to lose at home !

 
Mike Parton
Re: Clermont thoughts
TOKS (IP Logged)
19 October, 2017 09:36
I was optimistic in Clermont the last time we played there.

Then I took my seat in the Stade Marcel Michelin and looked (and listened) around me....

Clermont 18 Saracens 3.

Still that was a couple of years ago. Good luck to both teams for an entertaining game and a fair result.

 
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Matthew (IP Logged)
19 October, 2017 10:28
Last time we were in Clermont it was (another) one of our infamous European (lack of) performances:

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Clermont 37-5 Saints. Clermont were 37-0 up until the end too.

Now that I think about it, when was the last time we lost narrowly (LBP territory) in the top European competition proper (ie, not the Stade game last season)? Glasgow away a few seasons back when we blew a win at the death? It feels like in Europe we seem either to win or to lose badly with little inbetween.



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HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: Clermont thoughts
HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
19 October, 2017 11:20
I was there last time, the atmosphere alone was worth the trip.


Why did we lose? Our genius tactics of thumping the ball to the Clermont back 3.

3 separate tried came from Dickson kicking aimlessly into their 22, they ran them back for tries.


Luckily Dickson isn’t playing but Cobus was starting to do a rather worryingly good impression last week.


Groome starts, quick ball, have a go at them. Smash the breakdown. Quick D line speed.

 
fair_weather_fan
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fair_weather_fan (IP Logged)
19 October, 2017 14:21
Ford Robinson gave Sarries problems last week when he came on.

Ace was brought in as an injury replacement and has somehow become a starter. Better as wing than FB so yes why not Ace on the wing and Harry at FB.

 
Christoff
Re: Clermont thoughts
smitferbrainz (IP Logged)
19 October, 2017 14:49
We're gonna get creamed!

 
SaintSurrey
Re: Clermont thoughts
SaintSurrey (IP Logged)
19 October, 2017 16:19
Van Wyk
Hartley
JFR
Api
Ribbans
Lawes
Wood
Harrison
Groome
Francis
Pisi
Burrell
Horne (Ace if Horne not fit)
Collins
Mallinder

Heywood
Waller
Hill
Paterson
Gibson
Cobus
Stephenson
Foden



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ch saint
Re: Clermont thoughts
ch saint (IP Logged)
19 October, 2017 17:49
For me the issue is whether we stand a chance of qualifying, because if we do not then I would want to protect key players needed for the premiership, so I would not play Francis, Lawes, Groom or Horne. We stand a good chance of doing something in the premiership if we are injury free. Last week we lost one of our "top" men while losing by the greatest margin I have ever seen. This is not being negative just planning beyond europe.
Furthermore it's the forwards who need to step up this week.

 
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Abington Adam (IP Logged)
19 October, 2017 19:15
If we start well then we've got half a chance, if Clermont get an early try or two then it will be a cricket score.

 
HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: Clermont thoughts
HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
19 October, 2017 19:26
CHSaint

If we win every other game apart from Saracens then we have a shot as best runner-up, bonus points relevant of course.

If we lose on Saturday then we can't. SO I would play a full team this Saturday and see what happens.


We have only got a banged up Wasps next week.... confident we beat them even with a few players out.

 
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Le marseillais (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 08:33
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Abington Adam
If we start well then we've got half a chance, if Clermont get an early try or two then it will be a cricket score.
Clever man.
That's it: Clermont is a simple team to understand.
The ten first minutes are the most impotant. We, the fans, know quickly if the team is "in" or "out".
We know if the players will fight, or not.
The score wil depends on that.



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Re: Clermont thoughts
Le marseillais (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 08:37
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HungryLikeTheWolf
CHSaint
If we win every other game apart from Saracens then we have a shot as best runner-up, bonus points relevant of course.

If we lose on Saturday then we can't. SO I would play a full team this Saturday and see what happens.


We have only got a banged up Wasps next week.... confident we beat them even with a few players out.

The wolf is really hungry...
Same thing for us: we do not hope to finish first of tis pool, sarries will.
Our hope is to finish second best to be qualified, and so it depends on the bonus points won or lost.



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HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: Clermont thoughts
HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 08:54
Philippe have you been sent a link to your interview with BBC radio?

 
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Re: Clermont thoughts
Le marseillais (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 09:08
No Tom.
Unfortunatly, the ITW has been cancelled because of my job.
Maybe for the retun match ?



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Re: Clermont thoughts
Le marseillais (IP Logged)
20 October, 2017 10:43
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