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fair_weather_fan
An apology
fair_weather_fan (IP Logged)
14 January, 2018 10:23
I would like to apologise to the 60 or so crowd members and the one official that I verbally abused yesterday.

On our way from the village to the top end of the churchs where we sit, we found a very elderly gentleman pushing a disability tricycle. He was struggling to use the tarmac section of the access, and avoiding getting the tricycle wheels in the drain, which could have sent him tumbling. We escorted him to his seat with difficulty, passing people loitering near the pitch line, sometimes 5 deep, holding conversations, oblivious to how they were blocking the access. I told off the steward for not doing his job in moving these people on.

Ten minutes before KO, no-one has any business standing blocking the access routes. I'm afraid its time for the club to adopt a more forceful approach. Its clear that the offenders in the churchs are standing near to their own seat access so can get to the seat in 30s, and they simply don't care how they hinder other people. I imagine this gentleman and probably others have to battle through this nonsense every week.

So how about a bit of consideration for others? Not much to ask is it.

 
HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: An apology
Wilson Pickett (IP Logged)
14 January, 2018 10:25
I am sure it is ignorance over deliberate selfishness

A little education over the tannoy and some proactive stewarding probably solves it

 
fair_weather_fan
Re: An apology
fair_weather_fan (IP Logged)
14 January, 2018 10:29
The education over the tannoy is a weekly event Hungry.

 
tedge
Re: An apology
tedge (IP Logged)
14 January, 2018 10:31
There is regular "education over the tannoy" 20 minutes before ko from Geoff Allen and the response from people is usually minimal. It must be quite difficult from a steward's point of view to persuade people to move if they don't want to.

 
HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: An apology
Wilson Pickett (IP Logged)
14 January, 2018 11:10
ďcan everyone please move now from the pitch, you are blocking disabled and elderly accessĒ alongside blokes in high vis ushering

If they donít move ďyou will be asked to leave the ground if you donít move right nowĒ

solved

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: An apology
Flook (IP Logged)
14 January, 2018 11:32
I think the average age of a steward at FG is north of 60, so understandably I cannot see them getting involved with any proactive stewarding.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: An apology
OldPete (IP Logged)
14 January, 2018 11:38
Those of us at the front of the terrace have complained about this for years - they quite simply bloc our view of players warming up etc.

It is also a very real Heath and safety issue in all parts of the ground - which needs addressing quite simply standing in front of the terrace churches etc should be banned.

 
Christoff
Re: An apology
smitferbrainz (IP Logged)
14 January, 2018 12:21
FWF - perhaps you should contact the club via the contact us section on the offy. I agree with HLTW. This has been going on far too long and is easily solvable with pro-active stewarding, which it doesn't seem to be. Geoff on the PA seems to treat it as a joke, the crowd all giggle with him so it'll not be taken seriously as he doesn't mean it seriously. It needs sorting.

 
Garracc
Re: An apology
Garracc (IP Logged)
14 January, 2018 14:55
We were discussing this yesterday, perhaps some double yellow lines and a steward constantly walking this would eventually educate people. It's where we are today though, very few ever consider any one else.

 
Saintly Pursuit
Re: An apology
Saintly Pursuit (IP Logged)
14 January, 2018 14:59
All Geoff can do is politly ask people to go to their seats and explain why. I really don't see what else he can do. He is simply trying to point out that he is constantly ignroed but that is hardly his fault and sometimes humour get a message through where a more formal approach doesn't

Regardless of the age of the Stewards they should be capable of and instructed to start moving people on. It's hardly an age related task to ask people to go to their seats and, if done in the right manner wil probably be successful. They are there to help ensure safety of the spectators and people causing a blockage will at some point cause an issue.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: An apology
shendy (IP Logged)
14 January, 2018 15:31
If the stewards aren't able to "actively" steward, should they be there?

 
Christoff
Re: An apology
smitferbrainz (IP Logged)
14 January, 2018 16:41
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Saintly Pursuit
All Geoff can do is politly ask people to go to their seats and explain why. I really don't see what else he can do. He is simply trying to point out that he is constantly ignroed but that is hardly his fault and sometimes humour get a message through where a more formal approach doesn't
Regardless of the age of the Stewards they should be capable of and instructed to start moving people on. It's hardly an age related task to ask people to go to their seats and, if done in the right manner wil probably be successful. They are there to help ensure safety of the spectators and people causing a blockage will at some point cause an issue.

Yeah but humour doesnt get the message through does it? Maybe he should also say that stewards will actively control that area, require people to move and, if they don't be invited to leave the ground. Why would that be, in any way, difficult? It just needs a bit of moral guts from the club to force things a bit. Whenever I've been there (ST holder for several seasons) stewards don't seem to have to that much aside from enforcing that you are in the correct area for your ticket. Bet nothing changes.

 
Saintly Pursuit
Re: An apology
Saintly Pursuit (IP Logged)
14 January, 2018 16:56
Geoff is the announcer. How he makes the announcement has little effect upon whether people act upon his request. I think that fact that he jokes about it should make the club realise that he is a little bemused that he is asked to reuest that people take their seats but that nothing is actually done to then reinforce this request. It is not his responsibility to actually ensure that what he announces is adhered to. I think that we both agree that is the Stewards job.

There are numerous things that could be done to improve the situation. My suggestion is to move the warm up to the other end of the pitch. People would still stand and watch but the effect would be much reduced as there are far fewer people entering from the North end of he ground.

 
Christoff
Re: An apology
smitferbrainz (IP Logged)
14 January, 2018 19:06
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Saintly Pursuit
Geoff is the announcer. How he makes the announcement has little effect upon whether people act upon his request. I think that fact that he jokes about it should make the club realise that he is a little bemused that he is asked to reuest that people take their seats but that nothing is actually done to then reinforce this request. It is not his responsibility to actually ensure that what he announces is adhered to. I think that we both agree that is the Stewards job.
There are numerous things that could be done to improve the situation. My suggestion is to move the warm up to the other end of the pitch. People would still stand and watch but the effect would be much reduced as there are far fewer people entering from the North end of he ground.

I agree but if he said it like it was meant as opposed to what he always does, semi embarrassed and just because he has to it gets ignored. It is the club's responsibility but he is the mouthpiece, literally. If the club mean to do nothing about it there seems little point in mentioning it to be honest, best left completely. Quite correct ref the stewards, it is their job.

 
StPo
Re: An apology
StPo (IP Logged)
14 January, 2018 19:26
I remember when uncle Geoff made the announcement one week and then proceeded to interview those closest to him who remained unmoved...I believe his question was
"So sir, why are you deciding to ignore this request?".

Made I larf.

 
Saintsteward
Re: An apology
Saintsteward (IP Logged)
14 January, 2018 23:03
I am a steward and can say that we do proactively try to get fans to sit down instead of standing pitch side. I regularly patrol up and down the touch line first asking people to take their seats politely then asking more specifically those who ignore the request. In the end itís a balance, we donít want to be over aggressive and would you really want to see fans ejected for simply not taking their seats? One of the differences offered by Franklinís Gardens is that the stadium design allows fans to stand pitch side and watch the teams warm up. Most respond well to a friendly request, but old habits are hard to break and our aim to to try to see that everyone enjoys their experience at the ground.

 
tedge
Re: An apology
tedge (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 08:25
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Saintsteward
I am a steward and can say that we do proactively try to get fans to sit down instead of standing pitch side. I regularly patrol up and down the touch line first asking people to take their seats politely then asking more specifically those who ignore the request. In the end itís a balance, we donít want to be over aggressive and would you really want to see fans ejected for simply not taking their seats? One of the differences offered by Franklinís Gardens is that the stadium design allows fans to stand pitch side and watch the teams warm up. Most respond well to a friendly request, but old habits are hard to break and our aim to to try to see that everyone enjoys their experience at the ground.

A perfectly reasonable response from somebody "at the coalface". It IS part of the FG tradition and from my long experience,people watching warm ups from the touchlines all round the pitch does not prevent through passage for others for most of the time. I guess it's just that critical period near to ko that can be a problem with a large attendance. Those who delay their departures from the bars and the village until the latest moment do not help matters either and can be aggravating for people already in their seats in good time.

A bit of commonsense and, as mentioned above, some consideration for others is all that is needed. Personally I think all the stewards do a grand job.

 
Saint Ted
Re: An apology
Saint Ted (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 09:28
I just don't get the standing at pitch side watching the warm up, if you want to watch it, watch it from the stand, you're not going to miss anything and as Robby said in his article, it's not like the players are going to come over for selfies autographs, if it's about meeting up with friends before the match just go to the village/bars and keep the pathway clear for those that are trying to get to their seats

 
rugbymel
Re: An apology
rugbymel (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 11:49
Ok, Iím going to plead guilty here. I am one of those people that seem to annoy you by standing to watch the players warm up.
Iím a bit OCD about arriving early at any destination, including FG. My wife is the exact opposite so this can lead to some tension! She doesnít come with me to FG so I am my own boss on match days. I drive 20+ miles to FG and in my mind there could be all sorts of hold ups. I may have to repair a puncture (itís happened), I may have to make a diversion to avoid floods (its happened), there may be roadworks in Weedon or in Flore, there may be an accident to avoid (its happened). So I set out in plenty of time and on the vast majority of occasions I arrive early, typically 1:30ish for a 3pm k.o. I park in car park D.
I may listen to the radio or a podcast or read a chapter or two of a book, sitting in the car. I generally get in the ground just before 2.
I then meet up with a couple of guys at pitch side and have done so for a decade or more. I donít sit near them and donít see them in any other context. We discuss last weekís game, team selection, players as they run out, the opposition players as they run out. We probably donít take in a lot of detail about the warm ups but we do comment on the different approach by some opposition teams. The TV teams are obviously busy but Bayfs will always respond to a greeting. The press will often have a brief chat and Iíve enjoyed a couple of conversations with Ian Robertson. Off duty players will also make time. I could go straight to my seat but Iíd be sitting on my own. We could chat in the village but I wouldnít enjoy it as much. I also chat occasionally to opposition supporters watching the warm ups. In fact I made good friends with a couple of Chiefs supporters and we meet up pitchside at Sandy Park.
Notwithstanding all the above, I leave for my seat with 15-20 minutes to go before KO. I have never still been there when Geoff makes his announcement and am either climbing the steps to the Upper South Stand or already in my seat. Do I think people should respond to Geoff? Of course. Do I think they should respond to the stewards -yes! Is it a problem when people ignore these requests and should something be done about it? Of course. Do I want double yellow lines painted all around the concourse and watching from the sides banned altogether? No! Have I ever been in Robby Richmondís bl00dy way? No!
I sit 6 seats in from an aisle. Do I get irritated when people arrive 5 minutes late and need to get past, clutching their drinks and/or food? Do I get irritated when the same people leave 5 mins before half time to get replenishments? Do I get irritated when the same people come back 5 or so minutes into the 2nd half clutching their spoils? Of course I do. I missed Clermontís 1st try on Saturday. Do I want a ban on food/drink sales from 15 mins before the match until the final whistle? No! Tolerance of each other, as long as behaviour is reasonable is what I want We are all in the Saints family and enjoy the match day experience in different ways. I canít understand people paying top dollar for tickets and then missing 15-20 mins of the match but thatís me.
I used to meet up with a different set of people in Heroes after the game but that activity has been purloined for the corporate sector. Iím the only one left attending from that particular group so now I just brave the traffic and make my way home.
If standing watching the warm up were banned, would I still attend games? Of course, 90%+ of attending is for the match and Iím willing to put with the minor irritations of being interrupted.
Rant over. COYS

 
tedge
Re: An apology
tedge (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 12:27
Rugbymel - couldn't argue with any of that !

 
Casual Saint
Re: An apology
Casual Saint (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 12:39
Top rant Rugbymel, reasonableness and tolerance as much to be recommended.

On Saturday I bumped into a fellow coach and stopped to have a quick chat at pitch side in front of the South Stand. This was around 20 mins before KO so the foot traffic was not particularly heavy and we were certainly not in anyones's way. The steward in that area was certainly engaged in "active stewarding" - to the point he was forcing you to move. To be honest it p@ssed me off , I don't need to be treated like either a child, a sheep or a football supporter.



Once a scrum half .... always a scrum half

 
Stevie Myler's right boot
Re: An apology
15 January, 2018 12:40
A compromise may be that you can stand by the touchline to watch the warmup but must move and go to seats 15 minutes before kickoff so that it eases the path for those coming in from the Village

 
Saint Ted
Re: An apology
Saint Ted (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 12:49
I think thatís the point, what Mel and casual are saying is fair enough, itís the hoards of people that remain watching till the last possible moment, ignoring the stewards and the announcement that is the problem

 
Saintsteward
Re: An apology
Saintsteward (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 12:55
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Stevie Myler's right boot
A compromise may be that you can stand by the touchline to watch the warmup but must move and go to seats 15 minutes before kickoff so that it eases the path for those coming in from the Village
That would be a perfect solution. Fans standing pitch side up to that point just need to be aware if they are causing a bottleneck and act accordingly. It would also be appreciated if people didnít stand in front of disabled supporters for obvious reasons. My opinion only.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: An apology
Matthew (IP Logged)
15 January, 2018 16:34
Make the pitch a couple of yards smaller in all directions - problem solved.



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