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TringSaint
That try.......
TringSaint (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 08:06
So now we have it - world rugby has confirmed that it was a try and the TMO got it wrong.
Still, we would have been two points adrift if the conversion had gone over, but it might have changed the momentum of the match.

 
Walks11
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Walks11 (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 08:17
i think Scott Williams not scoring in the corner was a more telling moment

 
HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: That try.......
HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 08:21
Not sure it would have made any difference. England always looked the better side and in control, I suspect a closer score would have moved them up another gear.

 
TringSaint
Re: That try.......
TringSaint (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 08:25
What ifís and maybeís!!
The result is the result, so on to the next one.

TBH, I thought that we would get rolled by the Scots, England and Ireland, so canít be too bitter (1 or 2 out of 3 is ok given who is missing).

 
St Ives
Re: That try.......
St Ives (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 08:31
He might have beat Watson to the touch down, but notwithstanding that it was knocked on by the winger immediately prior to that, you can clearly see his fingers move when the ball touches them... so for whatever reason the correct decision was made.

 
TringSaint
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TringSaint (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 08:40
St Ives, read the bbc report. There wasnít a knock on. The TMO made a mistake.

 
Hantsaintsrus4
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Hantsaintsrus4 (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 08:46
Decisions go either way, move on. World Rugby should not comment,the referee's decision is final.

 
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higgy365 (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 08:51
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TringSaint
St Ives, read the bbc report. There wasnít a knock on. The TMO made a mistake.

The BBC report I read refers only to the grounding, and not a knock on by the previous Welsh player.

So Iím with St Ives - the right outcome achieved but by taking the wrong route.

 
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Re: That try.......
Neil-H (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 09:15
TMO made two mistakes, but as you say Higgs right decision and I read World Rugby spoke to WRU who then announced it... which might not go down to well with World Rugby

 
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Chris Hoddle (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 09:20
Think in "the try", Mr Guscott (I think may have been Mr Woodward) made the point that you could see a finger being bent back when it was thought to be a knee that propelled the ball forward to the in goal area. Thus the TMO decision about who touched down was irrelevant



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Neil-H (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 09:22
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Chris Hoddle
Think in "the try", Mr Guscott (I think may have been Mr Woodward) made the point that you could see a finger being bent back when it was thought to be a knee that propelled the ball forward to the in goal area. Thus the TMO decision about who touched down was irrelevant

Thereís a video going around that clearly shows the ring finger hitting and being moved by the ball.. Iíll see if I can find it for you Chris smiling smiley

 
tboullem
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Mobbs (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 09:55
My history book shows that England beat Wales 12-6 last weekend and for that matter South Africa won the 2007 World Cup. Its a game, move on to the next challenge !

 
Eif Jones
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Eif Jones (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 10:29
World Rugby set a precedent after the disastrous refereeing decision that cost Scotland in the RWC.
I believe Wales asked for clarification as to whether Anscombe's hand on the ball was sufficient for a try to be awarded, many commentators were suggesting that he didn't ground it properly.
As for the so-called knock-on, there is no dispute that the ball touched Steff's hand but it travelled backwards from there to his leg. Its unclear whether that constitutes a knock-on, maybe World Rugby should have clarified that as well.
It wasn't just the TMO who got it wrong, the ref was also at fault, from the crowd's reaction it was apparent that, from the replay on their big screens, the try had been scored. Surely the ref would have seen it also and should have asked the TMO to check again, the likes of Barnes and Owens certainly would have.
In every game there are marginal decisions that affect outcomes but this decision was nowhere near marginal and did spoil the game by causing such post match debate.
Funny to notice that it was Alain Rolland who responded as it was he who refereed the E v W QF at Brisbane many years ago, the worst refereeing performance I have witnessed in all my years watching rugby, not just one mistake but a string of them that even embarrassed English supporters sitting along side me. Hence welcome road signs into Wales were daubed 'except Alain Rolland'.

 
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Neil-H (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 10:46
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Eif Jones
World Rugby set a precedent after the disastrous refereeing decision that cost Scotland in the RWC.
I believe Wales asked for clarification as to whether Anscombe's hand on the ball was sufficient for a try to be awarded, many commentators were suggesting that he didn't ground it properly.
As for the so-called knock-on, there is no dispute that the ball touched Steff's hand but it travelled backwards from there to his leg. Its unclear whether that constitutes a knock-on, maybe World Rugby should have clarified that as well.
It wasn't just the TMO who got it wrong, the ref was also at fault, from the crowd's reaction it was apparent that, from the replay on their big screens, the try had been scored. Surely the ref would have seen it also and should have asked the TMO to check again, the likes of Barnes and Owens certainly would have.
In every game there are marginal decisions that affect outcomes but this decision was nowhere near marginal and did spoil the game by causing such post match debate.
Funny to notice that it was Alain Rolland who responded as it was he who refereed the E v W QF at Brisbane many years ago, the worst refereeing performance I have witnessed in all my years watching rugby, not just one mistake but a string of them that even embarrassed English supporters sitting along side me. Hence welcome road signs into Wales were daubed 'except Alain Rolland'.

Nice post Eif and totally agree spoilt the game by causing such post match debate, it sadly happens.. some interesting calls for Gatland as players start to return back from Injury... with Falateu, Warburton and Halfpenny supposedly fit again, would you make any changes?

All the debate and arguments reminds me of Saints vs Sarries final and Wallers try.. again sadly took away from a great game

 
fleetg
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fleetg (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 11:03
Oh the Welsh bitterness : as expected !

 
fair_weather_fan
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fair_weather_fan (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 11:11
Adams running forward at speed when the ball touches him,ball doesnt have as much momentum as the playerso it drifts back onto the player despite the fact the player is moving forward at speed. Knock on.

Interestingly, no-one seems to have checked Adams for offside. Thats where the TMO replay should have started. As it happens he wasnt clearly and obviously offside but the failure to check it is astonishing. In league it would have been automatic; its not rocket science either.

Just shows there is room for improvement. Too many tries are not being given because the oficials and their cameras cant see a grounding for example. That Anscombe grounded OK is a 90% call and should have been awarded. and then we would have had the same scenario from the England side when Adams was found to have touched the ball.

 
TringSaint
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TringSaint (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 11:15
Not bitter at all. Thatís life, but a lot was made of it after the game and I guess this highlights why some were frustrated

 
tedge
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tedge (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 11:39
Can't comment on the controversy as I was abroad and didn't see the match but I understand England won 12-6

 
rugbymel
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rugbymel (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 11:56
The public humiliation of the TMO by the powers that be will probably mean that TMO decisions will take even longer.

 
tboullem
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Mobbs (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 11:58
That fingertip touch by Anscombe would not have been a try when I were a lad....should be downward pressure and control in my view !

 
Saint Stokey
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Saint Stokey (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 12:48
i wonder if there would have been such a furore had the decision been against England. I certainly dont think Eiffy would have been backing England in the interest of fair play as he is Wales'.

 
TringSaint
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TringSaint (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 12:57
If England had lost following a questionable decision , you bet there would have been a real commotion.

Thatís sport.

 
fleetg
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fleetg (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 13:04
Yep that's sport as it happens every week all over tbe world. Time to get over it and move on otherwise the Welsh will sound much like most football managers on a Saturday night i.e it's the officials fault for losing the match !

 
HungryLikeTheWolf
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HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 13:18
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fleetg
Yep that's sport as it happens every week all over tbe world. Time to get over it and move on otherwise the Welsh will sound much like most football managers on a Saturday night i.e it's the officials fault for losing the match !

have you never been to Franklinís lol

 
thomh
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thomh (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 13:21
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TringSaint
Still, we would have been two points adrift if the conversion had gone over, but it might have changed the momentum of the match.

Five points adrift. The Welsh penalty was kicked from the advantage already being played when the try was nearly scored, so it would have been 12-7 rather than 12-3.

That's assuming the very tricky conversion was kicked. Essentially we're talking about a 2-4 point difference. Given the number of minor things referees are bound to get wrong during the game routinely (its bizarre that only two penalties were given against Wales, for example), that's pretty immaterial in the scheme of it.

 
St Ives
Re: That try.......
St Ives (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 13:23
Tring, there most definately was a knock on, however small it was there.......



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 14/02/2018 13:25 by St Ives.

 
TringSaint
Re: That try.......
TringSaint (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 15:47
I will chuckle if something similar happens to England vs Ireland and it costs you the GS or 6N title.
If no one raised any issue then we would have a sport followed by dispassionate supporters, and who wants that!!

The Ďwe were robbedí view has been used by supporters since sport started, so I canít see that changing any time soon, and not should it.

As I have also said, even with the try, we would still have been behind on points so itís not as if it was the last play of the game with all to win.

England now have to dodge the perennial banana skin of Ireland on the last weekend, and that will have lots of dodgy decisions as always!!

 
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OldPete (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 15:53
In sport we all tend to see what we want to see - dependent on our loyalties or prejudices. This is so at all levels of most games.

 
fleetg
Re: That try.......
fleetg (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 16:01
So be it TringSaint you cleary want England to lose as I do Wales each time they play. Personally I don't like the " we were robbed" view but each to their own. It was a close game last Saturday between 2 battling teams and one that was thoroughly competitive and enjoyable.

 
TringSaint
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TringSaint (IP Logged)
14 February, 2018 16:16
From the off I have said it was a great game and befitting of the competition and exactly what I want to see from an England v wales match.

The cloud caused by the questionable decision has caused world rugby to step in once again and add further controversy by ruling that the TMO was wrong.

Irrespective of your view, this doesnít help the sport (decisions are decisions and you get on with it) but with such polarising views by many on here be they anti English, Welsh or whatever does come across as a touch sanctimonious at times when someone raises a genuine point corroborated by the sportís governing body!

Who on here hasnít at some point insisted that the red was wrong when penalising us or awarding a try to the opposition when we feel that we were the wronged party? Answer, no one. We all do it, just that itís saints and not England or wales.

And for the record, I will be supporting England against Ireland on the last day, and hope they win (lesser of two evils!), so we are not all one-eyed supporters, despite what you may think.


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