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Quins unveils cooperation agreement with New Zealand Rugby
Flapjack (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 01:05

 
St.Sinner
Re: Quins unveils cooperation agreement with New Zealand Rugby
St.Sinner (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 08:49
I was reading about this yesterday. It seems to be an attempt by the NZRU to stop the exodus of players young & old being poached by English and French teams (international & club level).

Apparently every nation in the six nations last week had at least one NZ born player in their match day 23.

Players as young as 15 are now being offered contracts to academy’s to get round the new 5 year residency coming into effect in 2020. They hope that by having a club over here (Harlequins) that they can let players come over here for experience but keep an eye on them and keep them as part of NZ.
Seems great in principle, but they forget the main motive for nearly every single player young or old , international motive or simply club rugby motives... its the money.
Do you think Charles Piatau is going to Bristol for the desire to play in the Prem. Or for the fat 1 million ££££ a season he will receive. As long as they’re offered more than they can earn over in NZ they will come. And they certainly won’t be queuing up to do a loan spell at Quinn’s on assumably the same wage as they home club, when they can sign a big money deal at many many different French & English teams.

I’d say it’s a shame they’re players are all leaving and youngsters being poached but then they’ve been doing that to the islanders since time begun. With the lure of $$$$ and the spotlight. Now they don’t like it happening to them. That’s life !

 
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Re: Quins unveils cooperation agreement with New Zealand Rugby
Stockers (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 08:56
If nothing else, it builds on the long standing practice of giving future All Black coaches experience in other rugby environments.

 
tedge
Re: Quins unveils cooperation agreement with New Zealand Rugby
tedge (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 09:47
I can see the potential benefits for NZ Rugby, perhaps more particularly with the coaching aspects than the players. Quins might benefit by sending some players to NZ in our summer where, if they're good enough they might get some games in the NZ Provincial league but in the reverse direction it's unlikely as they would still be subject to the same "foreigner" regs. Ultimately, as St.Sinner says players will move to where the money is.

Nevertheless it's an interesting idea and we can look again in a few years to see what the outcomes were.

 
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Re: Quins unveils cooperation agreement with New Zealand Rugby
Saint Robert (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 10:27
If its a move to try to prevent poaching of NZ talent then maybe NFR should take a look at all the Pacific Islanders they poach.

 
Walks11
Re: Quins unveils cooperation agreement with New Zealand Rugby
Walks11 (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 11:26
Quote:
St.Sinner
I was reading about this yesterday. It seems to be an attempt by the NZRU to stop the exodus of players young & old being poached by English and French teams (international & club level).
Apparently every nation in the six nations last week had at least one NZ born player in their match day 23.

Players as young as 15 are now being offered contracts to academy’s to get round the new 5 year residency coming into effect in 2020. They hope that by having a club over here (Harlequins) that they can let players come over here for experience but keep an eye on them and keep them as part of NZ.
Seems great in principle, but they forget the main motive for nearly every single player young or old , international motive or simply club rugby motives... its the money.
Do you think Charles Piatau is going to Bristol for the desire to play in the Prem. Or for the fat 1 million ££££ a season he will receive. As long as they’re offered more than they can earn over in NZ they will come. And they certainly won’t be queuing up to do a loan spell at Quinn’s on assumably the same wage as they home club, when they can sign a big money deal at many many different French & English teams.

I’d say it’s a shame they’re players are all leaving and youngsters being poached but then they’ve been doing that to the islanders since time begun. With the lure of $$$$ and the spotlight. Now they don’t like it happening to them. That’s life !

+1

Interesting to see how many UK Quins players play Super rugby.

 
St tub
Re: Quins unveils cooperation agreement with New Zealand Rugby
St tub (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 12:41
IMHO

We have enough overseas players already - this is just a way around the work visa requirement, which was put in to stop the exodus of players

We also "develop" far more young SH players than vice versa.. I can only imagine the headline in NZ if one English player was in each franchise (ahead of a young kiwi)

We have 12 clubs who realistically can offer players for England selection (plus maybe Bristol)
Saints are fielding 8 starters plus 5 on the bench (13 of 23) this weekend who could (in theory) play for England - of which 5 are too old now, only 8 of those - Francis, Luther, Mikey, KB, TH, Marshall, JFR and Jamie G would really be eligible

Extend that by the excitement of signing Biggar for Stephen, swapping an Aussie for a Welsh winger and the much repeated hope our new coach will come armed with 3-4 tight 5 recruits from the SH.. Playing a bunch of young English lads in the Wandies isn't going to help us

Contrast to the fortunes of Ireland (who recognized the issue) and stopped more than one franchise having an overseas player in a key position.. we need some of these lads to come through to keep the game affordable and the home nations sides competitive

 
HonkyTonk
Re: Quins unveils cooperation agreement with New Zealand Rugby
HonkyTonk (IP Logged)
02 March, 2018 13:32
Quote:
Walks11
Quote:
St.Sinner
I was reading about this yesterday. It seems to be an attempt by the NZRU to stop the exodus of players young & old being poached by English and French teams (international & club level).
Apparently every nation in the six nations last week had at least one NZ born player in their match day 23.

Players as young as 15 are now being offered contracts to academy’s to get round the new 5 year residency coming into effect in 2020. They hope that by having a club over here (Harlequins) that they can let players come over here for experience but keep an eye on them and keep them as part of NZ.
Seems great in principle, but they forget the main motive for nearly every single player young or old , international motive or simply club rugby motives... its the money.
Do you think Charles Piatau is going to Bristol for the desire to play in the Prem. Or for the fat 1 million ££££ a season he will receive. As long as they’re offered more than they can earn over in NZ they will come. And they certainly won’t be queuing up to do a loan spell at Quinn’s on assumably the same wage as they home club, when they can sign a big money deal at many many different French & English teams.

I’d say it’s a shame they’re players are all leaving and youngsters being poached but then they’ve been doing that to the islanders since time begun. With the lure of $$$$ and the spotlight. Now they don’t like it happening to them. That’s life !

+1

Interesting to see how many UK Quins players play Super rugby.

Think it is more likely to be the Mitre 10 Cup, like when Sarries sent Earle over to Canterbury


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