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Happywifehappylife
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Happywifehappylife (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 12:33
IMO really good astute 1 year signing. Haskell will be busting a gut to show EJ he's the man for the World Cup & that can only be good for Saints

 
Ow3n
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Ow3n (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 12:48
This seems like a pragmatic signing.

Would I like to spend a long journey in a car with him, probably not. But Iím sure heíd have the same opinion of me.

A proven grafter with not inconsiderable experience and a point to prove.

Welcome.

 
St tub
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
St tub (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 13:28
Hask is a top bloke - will give a lot to the fans
He's also a proven leader going into a season where we've just lost 3 guys with over 700 appearances between them
Defensively very aggressive, decent lineout operator and big lump

DoR seems happy enough too - seems to shove Courts back into the 2nd row is the only downside I can see

 
MarchingIn
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
MarchingIn (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 13:45
I'll judge Boyds decisions based on what happens on the pitch in September rather than Twitter now...

Viewed as a straight 1 in / 1 out for Nutley as a utility back row, then it doesn't look like bad business to me.

Welcome to Saints James.

 
Saint Ted
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Saint Ted (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 13:53

 
Padmon
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Padmon (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 16:09
He weights 120kg if you believe google and if heís a few kg shy of that, I doubt it would take him long to get there in preseason. For perspective: T - 106kg, Gibbo - 107kg, Eadie - 105kg, and Brussow - 101kg (all google for consistency). Sure theyíre all probably a little above or below but having an absolute specimen like Hask with his additional ballast should go a long way in the scrums and loose. I hope heís seen as an 8 because as mentioned, Harrison, Gibson and Ludlum are all deserving of a continued run. Welcome to the Saints Hask.

 
Saint BB
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Saint BB (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 16:34
For me, he is literally the last player I would want playing for Saints. We donít need him in the back row (we need a proper 8) and we donít need his brand of drama and self promotion. Iím sure he can still have a decent game in him but we need major rebuilding next year, to bring on our talented youngsters and give them game time, and to remember how to be a team again - I cannot see how Haskell is going to do any of that. Really disappointed that this is the direction that Saints have chosen.

 
tedge
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
tedge (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 16:41
Quote:
Saint BB
For me, he is literally the last player I would want playing for Saints. We donít need him in the back row (we need a proper 8) and we donít need his brand of drama and self promotion. Iím sure he can still have a decent game in him but we need major rebuilding next year, to bring on our talented youngsters and give them game time, and to remember how to be a team again - I cannot see how Haskell is going to do any of that. Really disappointed that this is the direction that Saints have chosen.

There are a lot of assumptions there. As far as I can see there is everything right about his rugby skills and there's nowt wrong with self-confidence or even a bit of self-promotion in a professional sportsman. He wouldn't be the first to have a big ego and these are usually pretty quickly dealt with on the training pitch. Signing him does not automatically mean the younger players won't be brought through but they still have to prove they are more worth selecting than him. I would be interested to know what his fellow Wasps think about him.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 14/05/2018 17:10 by tedge.

 
Saint Wilf
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Saint Wilf (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 17:05
Dreadful signing - ego on legs who given his bulk gets driven back and turned over far too often - a real @#$%& cat in my humble opinion.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
shendy (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 17:18
So in summary, Boyd is no longer the new messiah?

 
tboullem
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Houghton Saint (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 17:58
Marmite signing.....lets just leave at that and not fall out with each other - one way or another, he will only be here for a year.

 
HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Wilson Pickett (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 18:25
Some northamptonians just donít like personality and charisma


Shendy - Boyd is the messiah itís just modern day celeb culture. Punters are more concerned with personality than output.


Note: all the Wasps fans who have so far posted say its a great signing. But what do they know, theyíve only been watching him play every week for years.

 
St Saltaire
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
St Saltaire (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 18:27
I have always preferred to see him on the bench or unfit when we have played Wasps. He is still a very good player and made an immediate impact against us at the Ricoh a few weeks ago when he came on. I think that he will be an asset and our young players can learn from him, particularly how not to address the media*.
Welcome to Saints Mr H.

 
Angus67
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Angus67 (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 18:38
slightly different perspective....

Saturday 5th May saw a great Saints player leave after years of service, he got a tremendous send off, the vast majority of us were sad to see him go and a good few felt that he still had something to offer so therefore he would be a great signing for another club.

When his new club was announced I went onto their message board to congratulate them on securing his signature and I was a bit disappointed to see a few negative comments, mostly questioning his age, ability and commitment.

Meanwhile a week earlier at Coventry Wasps supporters gave a great send off to one of their greats who has become our new player, later, comments on their forum mirrored the comments we made about departing Saints players.

From that I cant help but see things almost through the eyes of a Wasp supporter, who may be reading the negative comments on here, with the same disappointment I read the comments about SMyler.


Whilst the signing may not suit everybody, (I remember Cornť Krige dividing opinion when his signing was announced) so I think we should just see how he performs in our colours. I have a feeling he will come with a big point to prove and I don't feel qualified to criticise Mr Boyd's judgement

So, welcome to the club, and good luck.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 14/05/2018 19:04 by Angus67.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Flook (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 18:38
Apparently JH responded to the Saints twitter feed that I posted earlier (see both on the BBC)
Should cause apoplexy in the nay-sayers camp.

 
Bletchley Saint
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Bletchley Saint (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 19:39
Agree totally. Jon Sleightholme was another Ďcharacterí who divided opinion when he joined us in the 90s. Iím sure Iím not the only one here who remembers that the season before while at Bath he had been featured in a TV documentary series and came across as a bit of a poser (always wearing sunglasses off-pitch, style of dress, etc.). It didnít take long for him to become Ďour characterí, a great player and remaining in an active role with Saints after hanging up his boots.

Others have rightly pointed out that we should trust the coaches and management. James Haskell will need to earn his place in the team like the rest of the back row candidates, and if heís the best player available for the number on his back then that surely is good enough.

 
St Saltaire
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
St Saltaire (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 19:42
Flook - I hope he doesnít really think that we want a JCB driving DJ?
Well done on the BBC retweet!

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Chris Foy from Mail - Saints sign Haskell
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 19:45
Quote:
Wilson Pickett
Rugby journo just announced on twitter that we will unveil him tomorrow
Iím happy when international talent and proven hard working winners are signed.


Others will combust on here, Iíve got my popcorn ready....
http://www.rugbyrebels.co/board/download/file.php?id=267


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TringSaint
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
TringSaint (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 20:52
Talk about being divisive!!

Hows this for an alternative view:

When we signed a young welshman we were all in raptures about his skills, attitude and ability to score tries for fun. We were all excited to see what he could do and that brought a real buzz to the club. 5 years later he leaves the same club and his departure is met with barely a murmur and only a handful of posts about what he thinks about the fans.
None of the adulation that was showered on myler, foden, day or even horne was showered on north and the reason form that, imho, is because he failed to deliver time and again and left us all frustrated whilst we watched a highly paid sports star inspecting the touchline for 80 mins a game.

Haskell, on the other hand, has not even taken the field yet and still people are writing him off as an expensive white elephant, yet he has performed well for wasps and england (albeit with the odd brainless event) for years and has a lot to offer and certainly wont be inspecting the touchlines for 80 mins a game.

love him or loathe him, he will get stuck in, he will tackle, he will truck the ball up the field and he will teach some of the younger lads a thing or two, and that is exactly what we need in a pack that has had a soft underbelly and been exposed as being naive for too long.

I have to admit i am not haskell's no.1 fan (i normally refer to him by his other name of haskwit) but if he brings a level of doggedness and determination that we have been lacking of late then i welcome him with open arms and he can go an advertise as many pin-up calendars, male grooming and fitness products as he likes.

 
acl saint
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
acl saint (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 21:00
100

 
Christoff
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
smitferbrainz (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 21:43
What concerns me is the apparent lack of confidence in Chris Boyd. He's obviously sanctioned/ suggested/ demanded it. He's done fairly well with the Hurricanes *, so why are certain people on this board in such apoplexy about Haskell being signed. He's got plenty of attributes, its short term, he'll be quite cheap, he'll be desperate to do well, he'll be available and despite what a lot of people on here think he's a tidy player. I bet almost no-one in here even knows him yet they're ready to condemn a bloke who's signed for our club despite knowing virtually nothing about him. Even if you don't like him at least give him the benefit of a clean slate. He's a Saint and that's it.

 
tedge
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
tedge (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 21:52
[quote smitferbrainz]What concerns me is the apparent lack of confidence in Chris Boyd. He's obviously sanctioned/ suggested/ demanded it. He's done fairly well with the Hurricanes *, so why are certain people on this board in such apoplexy about Haskell being signed. He's got plenty of attributes, its short term, he'll be quite cheap, he'll be desperate to do well, he'll be available and despite what a lot of people on here think he's a tidy player. I bet almost no-one in here even knows him yet they're ready to condemn a bloke who's signed for our club despite knowing virtually nothing about him. Even

But you're asking people on here to react logically.

 
Christoff
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
smitferbrainz (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 21:54
[quote tedge][quote smitferbrainz]What concerns me is the apparent lack of confidence in Chris Boyd. He's obviously sanctioned/ suggested/ demanded it. He's done fairly well with the Hurricanes *, so why are certain people on this board in such apoplexy about Haskell being signed. He's got plenty of attributes, its short term, he'll be quite cheap, he'll be desperate to do well, he'll be available and despite what a lot of people on here think he's a tidy player. I bet almost no-one in here even knows him yet they're ready to condemn a bloke who's signed for our club despite knowing virtually nothing about him. Even

But you're asking people on here to react logically.[/quote]

True. I guess we can but hope!

 
protestbeat
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
protestbeat (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 22:26
Quote:
TringSaint
love him or loathe him, he will get stuck in, he will tackle, he will truck the ball up the field and he will teach some of the younger lads a thing or two, and that is exactly what we need in a pack that has had a soft underbelly and been exposed as being naive for too long.

I have to admit i am not haskell's no.1 fan (i normally refer to him by his other name of haskwit) but if he brings a level of doggedness and determination that we have been lacking of late then i welcome him with open arms and he can go an advertise as many pin-up calendars, male grooming and fitness products as he likes.

A good summary of my thoughts on this, I must admit to hoping this rumour wasnt true last night but the more Iíve read and considered it today it actually seems like a very astute signing by Boyd/ Saints.

You just canít argue with the stat of him being 10-15kg heavier than any of our other back row options.

The comparison to North is also very interesting as Haskell for one year seems exponentially better value and risk/ reward than any contract we couldíve negotiated with George. So to some of these posters with such extreme negative opinions I ask; What is honestly the worst that could happen in 1 year!?



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MESSAGES->author
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Saint.Kenneth (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 22:28
I like the fact that Haskell is open and honest about wanting to play for England and be involved in the next World Cup. There's no disguise on what his motivations are; he knows he has to play in England to get picked and he knows he has to play really well, week in - week out, to get welcomed back into the England squad.

A highly motivated James Haskell isn't the worse thing in the world to have in your squad.


For me, the signing of Corne Krige isn't similar at all. Corne was the captain of a South African side who went out onto the pitch with the intent of injuring the opposition. His actions on the pitch, nearly led to the end of Matt Dawson's career, when Matt suffered a neck injury because of a flying head butt that Corne aimed at Matt. Dawson was one of the world's greatest No.9's, someone who lived and breathed being a Saint and then the club went and signed the one professional rugby player in the world, that Dawson couldn't bring himself to play with, subsequently ousting Matt from our club.

What's Haskell's crime? Being loyal to a club where he has played his heart out, whilst acting a bit of a buffoon and pillock off the field? I'll let the rest of the squad decide how much of a buffoon they are willing to put up with.

As for keeping young players out of the side, well if said young player can't train harder, play better than an ageing International player and earn a start in the side, then perhaps that young player isn't good enough to be at a club where we are trying to rebuild ourselves back into one of Europe's top teams?

 
shiversaint
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
shiversaint (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 23:09
Versus some of the other off-field antics that some players get up to, Haskell is merely just a bit of a lad rather than anything remotely malicious. Should be good fun to watch him.

 
Eif Jones
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Eif Jones (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 00:08
The issue is not his ability, its the fact that he's 33 on a 1 year contract. On this season's form it is pretty unlikely that Boyd can improve things such that the Saints can challenge at the top in that one season. For me, it would make sense to invest in somebody who can be here for the longer term.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Saint.Kenneth (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 00:16
Perhaps Boyd has someone in mind from NZ, but their contract has a year to run on it? Perhaps after the World Cup, someone becomes available after retiring from international rugby and wishes to travel overseas to England to play?

 
Hollywood JK
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Hollywood JK (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 06:21
Finally, a forwards LEADER, and WINNER!!!

Fantastic signing, a real coup, as he could have signed for numerous clubs....

Add to a leader in Dan Biggar in the backs, Iím feeling a lot more optimistic about next season...

 
Christoff
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
smitferbrainz (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 07:02
Quote:
Saint.Kenneth
Perhaps Boyd has someone in mind from NZ, but their contract has a year to run on it? Perhaps after the World Cup, someone becomes available after retiring from international rugby and wishes to travel overseas to England to play?

My thoughts exactly, hence a one year only deal. He has to be a stop gap. He's a good quality stop gap at that.

 
tboullem
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Houghton Saint (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 08:19
I don't think anyone is denying the bulk, strength or experience of Haskell for one moment. Does he have a big ego, certainly, will he have a lot to say, definitely, will be have 110% commitment to the Saints, hopefully. If I were Chris Boyd, I would tell him to concentrate completely on his rugby and not get involved in social media or other extra-curricular self promotion and that approach will give what he craves, namely an outside chance of a trip to Japan next year with the riches he quite openly seeks.

Does he get a nailed on starting place for the first game, maybe, maybe not. Wasps fans seem to think he is a bit of a penalty machine...that is a concern as we gave away enough last campiagn.

Blank sheet of paper when he arrives methinks..........

 
Hantsaintsrus4
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Hantsaintsrus4 (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 10:58
After a dreadful performance last season, and an even worse one just finishing, we managed to beat Tigers and make some difficult decisions in letting long serving players go. For just one moment I thought I could see a tunnel, no light, just a tunnel in the far distance. And now this. Trust the coaches and management? Are you mad?
Boyd has shown his hand and played it. Very depressing.

 
tedge
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
tedge (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 13:14
Quote:
Hantsaintsrus4
After a dreadful performance last season, and an even worse one just finishing, we managed to beat Tigers and make some difficult decisions in letting long serving players go. For just one moment I thought I could see a tunnel, no light, just a tunnel in the far distance. And now this. Trust the coaches and management? Are you mad?
Boyd has shown his hand and played it. Very depressing.

So what is this Boyd hand you've seen him play ?

 
HungryLikeTheWolf
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Wilson Pickett (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 17:00
Quote:
Eif Jones
The issue is not his ability, its the fact that he's 33 on a 1 year contract. On this season's form it is pretty unlikely that Boyd can improve things such that the Saints can challenge at the top in that one season. For me, it would make sense to invest in somebody who can be here for the longer term.


Repeat


WORLD CUP YEAR

 
Christoff
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
smitferbrainz (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 17:38
Quote:
Hantsaintsrus4
After a dreadful performance last season, and an even worse one just finishing, we managed to beat Tigers and make some difficult decisions in letting long serving players go. For just one moment I thought I could see a tunnel, no light, just a tunnel in the far distance. And now this. Trust the coaches and management? Are you mad?
Boyd has shown his hand and played it. Very depressing.

Sorry, not meant personally, but in my opinion this is ridiculous. How can the recruiting of a very recent England international and British Lion who, probably none of us know personally, for one season, possibly warrant this type of reaction? How any player would want to sign for Saints beats me and I'd suggest to him he doesn't read this forum.

 
tedge
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
tedge (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 17:42
Quote:
smitferbrainz
Quote:
Hantsaintsrus4
After a dreadful performance last season, and an even worse one just finishing, we managed to beat Tigers and make some difficult decisions in letting long serving players go. For just one moment I thought I could see a tunnel, no light, just a tunnel in the far distance. And now this. Trust the coaches and management? Are you mad?
Boyd has shown his hand and played it. Very depressing.

Sorry, not meant personally, but in my opinion this is ridiculous. How can the recruiting of a very recent England international and British Lion who, probably none of us know personally, for one season, possibly warrant this type of reaction? How any player would want to sign for Saints beats me and I'd suggest to him he doesn't read this forum.

+1000%

 
Happywifehappylife
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Happywifehappylife (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 19:29
Quote:
Eif Jones
The issue is not his ability, its the fact that he's 33 on a 1 year contract. On this season's form it is pretty unlikely that Boyd can improve things such that the Saints can challenge at the top in that one season. For me, it would make sense to invest in somebody who can be here for the longer term.
I have a feeling, as do others that he will be stop gap until after the World Cup when we'll see Boyd bring in a NZ 8

 
Eif Jones
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Eif Jones (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 01:16
Meanwhile the Ospreys have signed an Argentinian no 8 or 6 at 22 years old, makes much more sense if he makes the grade.

 
rugbymel
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
rugbymel (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 06:51
How long have the Ospreys coaching team been looking at him? Chris Boyd, not even in post yet, has given himself a year to source the player he wants, after RWC19.

 
oldtoastersaint
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
oldtoastersaint (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 08:44
You mean there are no 22 years old Welshmen that might make the grade in the part-timers pro 14 Eif? I can hardly believe you said that bach! Of course Ospreys could always have converted that surplus Welsh winger they acquired by default and don't really need ...


If they wanted to add more weight to his already considerable 109kgs they could do worse than drive the few miles North to Llandovery. The home-made fish fingers at the West End Cafe are far superior to the Patagonian version and you get plenty of change from a fiver look you!

Mwynhewch eich bwyd George!

 
Saint Stokey
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
Saint Stokey (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 13:26
Volpi

Age 22
Top flight games: 0
international caps: 0


Haskell

Age: 33
Top flight games: 275 and counting (not including 14 for Ricoh Black Rams)
International Caps: 77 (not including 22 Saxons games)
Lions Caps: 2

(according to Wiki)

Totally agree Eif, Haskell and Volpi are essentially the same quality.*

And lets face it, if Volpi does turn out to be a superstar, how long is he going to remain in Wales?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 18/05/2018 12:44 by Saint Stokey.

 
tedge
Re: NEWS: Saints Sign James Haskell
tedge (IP Logged)
18 May, 2018 09:08

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