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Re: JK... Still out
Posted by: RodneyRegis
Date: 20/09/2017 09:56
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Those are very interesting numbers, although I'd contend that counting wigglesworth as a capped player on the same level as Mike Brown is a little unbalanced. Surely it's the quality of the players right now which is important here. Current tier one internationals/squad members would be the pertinent numbers.

The trouble with that is that it throws up all sorts of questions about where to draw the line. To give a few examples:

Alex Goode is at his playing peak, but he's out of international favour. Does he count?
Isiekwe and Collier both have one or two caps, but are at different stages of their careers and the likelihood of future caps is probably quite different. Do they both count, or neither?
Buchanan and Marchant were named in the summer tour squad but withdrew through injury. Do we count them?
Nick Evans wasn't a current International from the moment he joined us - but he was still one of the top 3 global fly halves. At what point did he stop being international class?
Robshaw and Brown got early caps, and then nothing for years. What was their status in the wilderness years?
The end of Robshaw's international career is predicted with every new series. If it does happen sooner rather than later, does that make him any less valuable for Quins?
Easter wasn't a current international from 2011 to 2015. But for a decent chunk of that he was the form No 8 in the AP.

You could even argue that the guys out of favour or with a couple of caps are more valuable to a team than current regular internationals. Sarries probably wouldn't swap Goode, available all year, for Brown, missing for the AIs and 6N.

No, obviously not.

Neither. They're not part of a full tier one squad yet.

I think my criteria were pretty unambiguous.

Outside international windows, as we are now, it's pretty clear that on balance somebody who is a recognised current international is more desirable than somebody who isn't. If you disagree with that then this is a pretty pointless argument to be getting involved in smiling smiley

Of course those wouldn't be perfect lines to judge on, but certainly better than "everyone who got a single cap ever".

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