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Re: Unbelievable Myler
Posted by: HungryLikeTheWolf
Date: 06/10/2017 10:23
If you don't suggest a Saints player is a world beater apparently you're slagging them off....?

What is wrong with being a solid pro anyway? I think it's commendable. Thousands of players would give their right arm to achieve that level.

No wolfy, you are completely incorrect - its not about being a world beater its about doing a damn good job for a considerable period of time. its about being part of a successful team and its about giving you all.

You are one of the most vocal on here about how our players and coaching staff are poor and sub-standard and you incessantly reel off lists of personnel who we should snap up at the blink of an eye. but what you constantly fail to comprehend is that by parachuting in superstars, the net result wont necessarily be success. yes, you get the big name, but not the team spirit.

Rugby is a tough attritional game and it is absolutely built on a 15 man performance, so to disregard the performance of one of those 15 cogs is incomprehensible, because without it, the team would not function. just as it wouldnt without a hooker, prop, centre or any other position.

Steve is one of a handful of real saintsmen, and whether you believe him to be world class or not, he has delivered consistently and at a very high standard for us for a long time - can you put hand on heart and say that you have delivered as well as he has to your employer?? Have you been part of a team that has out performed all others in your field of work? Are you in the top 3 ever in terms of performance in your chosen field of work?? []

As for the comment re a lay person critiquing a michelin star meal, the analogy is wrong, as what you are actually doing is criticising a 1 star michelin chef for not having 3 stars, even though the peak of your culinary skills is beans on toast!

Stephen has been an excellent club man, reliable servant. And thoroughly deserves a testimonial to thank him. That's all fine.

The rest of your post is.... well.... lets address it.

When do I criticise players? Please find examples or retract that accusation and apologise. Do not lie for effect.

I predicted we would be 4th this year and you may like to read this thread that I posted "Reasons to be cheerful" after the Saracens game when everyone was lambasting the players and coaches

[url=http://[]]Reasons to be cheerful[/url]

Just because I predicted last year we would win nothing, and criticised the performances for being sub-standard (which was objectively correct) does not mean I am not confident or bullish when I can see positive green shoots. I would rather say it as it is, honesty is good.

Just because I don't feel inclined to kiss a players ass doesn't equate to criticism. I may say Harry needs to step up D to play 12, Stephen should run at the line more. But never criticise or call players to be dropped. Equally never called for a coach to be sacked. We are allowed to take a view on the rugby you know, both positive or negative.

I do pick out players I think are interesting because I watch a lot of rugby that most don't get the chance to see. Accusing me of supporting parachuting in stars when I just posted I would have looked to save 500k signing a kiwi you've never heard of sounds counter-intuitive. enjoy Piers by the way.

Stephen is only a handful of real Saintsmen? These are bags of 'real Saintsmen' I've supported (not going back in history to other legends, only those I've seen live). I'd actually suggest everyone who pulls on the shirt is a real Saintsmen but anyway:-

Pat Lam
Andrew Blowers
Budge Pountney
Gary Pearce
Tim Rodber
Matt Dawson
Bruce Reihana
Steve Thompson
Gary Pagel (massive impact in shortish time)
Frank Packman
Harvey Thorneycroft
Ian Hunter
Paul Grayson
Nick Beale
Dylan Hartley
Courtney Lawes
Martin Bayfield
Matt Lord
Ben Cohen

there will be others but that's top of the head, Bateman didn't make it!

As for my own life that's none of your business. You shouldn't assume that posters on here are not over achievers in whatever they do in life, on whatever level or however they measure it themselves (for example, in my eyes being a good person is over-achievement vs not being a good person and making tons of cash albeit there are not mutually exclusive).

I don't mind you believing Stephen has been outstanding for us, I can disagree and give a view. I think he's been good. Not carp, not rubbish, good. Good is commendable. Neither is correct or 'incorrect' as you state - it is a view.

Your suggestion that no-one is allowed a view other than a super-bullish one is bordering Orwellian and I will be ignoring it.

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