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Oh Danny Boy...
By Malco
January 24 2010
Our weekly edition of “let’s get one thing straight from the start”. Let’s get one thing straight from the start. Bath did not lose this match because Danny Grewcock was sent off. Sure it was a major factor, but the real reason we lost this match was due to several abject defensive lapses and continuous basic errors.
Let's get the sending off out of the way first. Danny should have known better and must, on reflection, realise that in doing what he did, where he did, he essentially gave the referee, who had already shown himself whistle happy and pernickety, every just cause to wave a red card. Danny should know better, especially at this stage of his career.

 

Now the mitigation. The breakdown law interpretation is applied so differently by referees that the inconsistency has become a charter for players to cheat and ruin the game, safe in the knowledge that many referees will not act and that they are protected from old-fashioned enforcement by their opposite numbers. If Danny had meant that stamp Ferris would have been taken off to hospital. I'm pretty sure that what he was trying to do was demonstrate his frustration and show menacing intent towards Ferris, whilst actually drawing the referee's attention to what Ferris was doing. He made no contact with his studs and Ferris was not injured. This is very similar to what happened with Matt Banahan earlier in the season.

 

If referees are not going to show consistency and discipline at the breakdown, and if players aren't allowed to react to foul play and provocation, what you have left is no risk for persistent cheats. That is not how the game should be played.

 

What Danny's dismissal did yesterday was force Bath to open up and play attacking, catch-up rugby from an essentially hopeless position. This was a two-edged sword. On the one hand the frenetic response of the Bath loose forwards and backs created some of the most attractive open running and handling we have seen at the Rec this season.

 

Unfortunately it also created panic in the ranks that led to some wild errors, with players forgetting basic skills, throwing speculative passes when they weren't really on, kicking poorly from hand and losing the ball in contact after running away from support.

 

Ulster were able to capitalise on all this with skill, endeavour and precision. They were the better side and they fully deserved their win. Their supporters, as ever, were passionate and a credit to themselves and to their club. I find it impossible to begrudge them their victory, I'm only sorry that preening, gouging Stade Francais were able to advance instead.

 

The first quarter of the match saw Bath looking tentative, with some poor tactical kicking a lack of precision, coupled with some unsympathetic refereeing leading to Ulster taking a six point lead via O' Connor's boot.

 

The try created for Matt Banahan showed what could have been. Superb work from the forwards creating space for the backs, Hape showing great creativity, Maddock timing his pass superbly and Banahan showing superb finishing to pop up on opposite wing and power over in the corner. Surely the team would capitalise on this and go on to win with a convincing display?

 

The Grewcock sending off halted all momentum and the resultant penalty put Ulster back into a lead that left Bath playing catch-up with a key man down. This was always going to be the toughest of tasks.

 

The pack actually responded with passion and admirable fortitude, especially the excellent back row, who were all superb in defence. Unfortunately this defensive commitment was not matched by the backs.

 

The way that Andrew Trimble was able to run in, untouched, from his own 10m line, almost stopping on the 22 in search of an offload before pinning back his ears and running around Joe Maddock was, to be frank, an embarrassment.

 

That Simon Danielli was able to repeat the feat to set up the absolutely superb Darren Cave, shrugging off powder puff tackles and stepping inside the midfield defence, was an affront. This was a man who left Bath five years ago after never showing anything like enough ability to warrant a position in the team, and yet he made our 2010 backs look like clueless amateurs in defence.

 

The precision and skill shown by Paddy Wallace, with his pace, tactical kicking and creativity was streets ahead of anything we had to offer. His try at the end was richly deserved. The way that O' Connor ran the game and pulled the strings from fly-half was far in advance of anything our makeshift 10s have shown all season.

 

And yet, for all that, the backs showed regular glimpses of what they are capapble of. Hape bristled with intent, broke theline on several occasions and showed his offloading skills. Carraro was pacy, muscular and direct in attack, Maddock jinked probed at pace, Banahan always commanded two or three Ulster defenders on the rare occasions he found himself with ball in hand. If only we could cut out the errors. The poor tactical kicking. The Teflon fingers in crucial positions. The uncertainty under the high ball.

 

I know that some people on here have been quick to point the finger at the Head Coach and I just can't begin to understand this. Even without our most creative players we have a team packed with internationals. Meehan is not responsible for some players failing to display basic skills. How our pack must feel this season when they have consistently won the battle to secure possession only to see backs hand it straight back to opponents with fundamental mistakes, God only knows.

 

The one recurring fly in the ointment with the forwards that reoccurred in this game came at the lineout, where again we turned over several important throws through inaccuracy. We badly need an experienced lineout Captain to take control of this phase of the game.

 

With Danny Grewcock now certain to miss a number of games through suspension there is no doubt that Hobson will have to step into the breach. He has a golden opportunity now to secure his future in our desperate quest to get far enough enough up the table to gain another tilt at Heineken Cup rugby next season. Every Bath supporter must hope that he has the talent and mental strength to do so.

 

Flatman - 7 Customary powerful display in the scrums with plenty of hard work in defence and with ball in hand.

Mears - 5. Fairly quiet display, never able to impose himself with ball in hand and some wayward lineout throwing.

Wilson - 6. Powerful and assured in the scrum and dependable in defence.

Grewcock - 3. Sorry Danny. Looked great before that incident with some thunderous defence and willingness to carry, but should know by now that whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation, you can't get away with putting your boot on a player in modern rugby.

Hooper - 6. Another quiet display. Contributed well in defence but not much evidence of carrying ability. Not able to impose himself on the lineout.

Beattie - 8. All round all-action contribution in defence and with ball in hand.

Salvi - 7. Not quite the heights of recent displays. Gave away a couple of hurtful penalties, which probably was more down to the ref's interpretations than his own shortcomings. Very sound defensively.

Watson - 8. Clearly the best Bath player on the pitch, seemed inspired by the dismissal of Grewcock. Turned up all over the pitch in attack and defence, carried powerfully, supplied good ball to the backs and showed very obvious leadership skills.

Claassens - 4. A sub-stnadard display from Michael with some wayward passing and kicking and very little evidence of his sniping runs.

Little - 5. Threw himself into defence but created very little and missed some crucial attempts at goal.

Banahan - 7. Superb execution for his try, powerful in defence. Not given enough opportunity with ball in hand and well martialled by a wary Ulster defence.

Hape - 7. Some great surging runs and sublime offloads and strong defensive hits but seemed to go missing from the defensive line on a couple of occasions and shelled a couple of vital attacks when running into contact.

Carraro - 6. Some powerful contributions in attack and defence but no real golden moments.

Stephenson - 7. Probably our most threatening back and committed in defence. Either our most improved player of the season so far or somebody who has finally seized the opportunity to show what he has been capable of all along?

Maddock - 6 Curate's egg performance from Joe. Seemed strong, assured and pacy in attack and sometimes indecisive and slow off the mark in defence.

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Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: BathRugbyEre.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2010 20:52

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Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2010 21:07

Don't agree Malco. We were 7-6 up when Danny went down and his dismissal affected the side considerably until they realised after two tries scored by Ulster that they needed to play rugby and throw caution to the wind. Danny's act IMO has no part in the game and I would be shouting from the roof tops for the guy's head if an opposition player did the same to our player. The fact that he didn't go to hospital is quite honestly a red herring it was a serious misdemeanour and needs to be "stamped" out of the game.

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Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: wineman (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2010 21:18

Malco - interesting that your scoring actually shows the backs on average doing as well as the forwards.

In summary I think your real point is that the Bath HBs didn't perform.

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Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2010 21:21

THat's pretty much as I see it Wineman. It's hard to score the backs because they actually played a lot of good rugby and then just let all the good work down with errors. The good work they did makes it difficult to really award low points. However the lack of control and creativity from half back was palpable to me.

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: bayham (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2010 21:23

Completely agree CC.

Our lineout cotinues to be hit and miss and we badly lack out and out acceleration in the backline. Still a bit more promise in certain areas from Hape and Watson. Whilst Beattie has improved of late, i don't think he has been continually our best player as your ratings seem to imply! Pleasing to see Jonny back as well.

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2010 21:26

CC, we were 7-6 up after one inspired attack after being very much second best up until then. As I said, the Banahan try showed what should have been. Danny's sending off was not what caused our midfield defence to go AWOL for the Ulster tries.

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2010 21:36

Agree with CC also.

You cannot lose a player as influential as DG so early in the game without it having a significant effect.

We should not bury our biased heads in the sand just because we are reluctant to face up to facts!

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: jennifer green (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2010 21:43

I also think Danny's sending did lose the game for bath.Its hard enough for a team when conceding a yellow let alone a red. What he did was at best stupid, yes it was instinctive and yes Ferris was holding his ankle and probably deserved to be penalised.
I agree though with the half backs both Classy and Little were poor, roll on the return of the prodigal son and a certain Mr James.
Good report though Malco

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2010 23:09

Malco - Danny went off about 8 minutes before half time. I said to my colleague before the incident and our try that the team looked jaded and completely lacking of confidence and needed to get a score before half time to lift their spirits. (Rugby is all about the top 4 inches). That came with the Bananaman try and although Ulster came back strongly we were holding them until the Danny sending off. I believe this was a great blow to their collective psyche and my guess that Smee's half time talk had to be completely changed to discuss the extra space that Danny gifted the Ulstermen!

The two tries were scored when the team were still in shock and readjusting to their position. IMO if we had kept 15 people on the field and went in with a 7-6 lead at half time the result would have been in our favour!

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Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Barters (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2010 08:10

Didn't see the stamp on Saturday so just had a look at it on YouTube. It's pretty bad and no justification but Ferris shouldn't have expected much less in my opinion.

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: bigchiefally (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2010 13:48

Guys - From an Ulster fans point of view the game was a strange one. First half I thought Ulster were much the better team without looking even vaguely like scoring a try. You scored a pretty good try that seemed to come out of nothing. I thought Banahan had a good game, and as someone who has only ever seen him in internationals and HC matches that was a first for me.

Second half I think you should give yourselves some credit, a lot of your play was really very good. Excellent offloading and running lines. You just didnt score. Ulster barely got their hands on the ball at all, though when they did the results were pretty impressive, and I think it is a little harsh to damn 3 pretty fine tries purely on poor tackling. Trimbles try was magic, Daniellis excellent and Wallaces not bad either. I definitely get the impression Danielli isnt rated by Bath fans, all I can say is he has been very good since he joined us, and I really hope he stays next year too.

As for the sending off I wont argue with anyone complaining that there should be some punishment for Ferris, but I dont see how it could be anything other than a sending off. It was pretty nasty.

All the best

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Lee Bideaux (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2010 20:37

Nice of you to drop by - cheers thumbs down

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Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Nell (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2010 21:27

Ferris must be one of the best wind up merchants in the game. The Stade Francais gougings were against him as well. Not excusing them, he's just very good at provokation

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: abcd in the sun sun sun (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2010 08:57

Let me get something straight from the start, I love mr Grewcock, I would have had him at my club everyday of the week.

I did not see the match, but I saw the clip on you tube.

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Barters
Didn't see the stamp on Saturday so just had a look at it on YouTube. It's pretty bad and no justification but Ferris shouldn't have expected much less in my opinion.

Can you explain exactly what Ferris did for him to get stamped on like that...? As I said, I did not see the game so I did not see anything before....

I dont think you should look at "Did Danny lose you this game, you should think what it will be like to not have him for th most of the back end of the season"

A stamp like that, so open, miles from the ball, premeditated, looking at the player, should get 16-20 weeks.

He was stupid and let himself down.

He has a reputation, which is by and large unfair, but this will live with him for the rest of his days.

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Susanne (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2010 09:32

Quote:
abcd
Can you explain exactly what Ferris did for him to get stamped on like that...?

Got too up close and personal with Danny's ankle! Maybe he was tickling it as well as holding on to it.

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Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2010 09:42

He was holding on to Danny's left arm as well as his right ankle, whilst making no movement to get away from the ball and the ref was just standing there showing no sign of intervening at all. Ferris knew exactly what he was doing. The ref not only allowed him to, but also granted him his ultimate wish. Danny was stupid to do what he did, but I ask all the detractors, what would you do in those circumstances? Say "well cheated old chap, you just carry on and cheat and mess me about any way you see fit, I'll just join the ref in standing back and letting you get on with it,"? Danny didn't stamp on him, he stood on him. I think I'd have done exactly the same.

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: OBinexile (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2010 09:55

abcd,
He was being illegally impeded from getting into a defensive position, so that there would be a gap for the attacking side to exploit just 5 yards from the line. It was clear on the part of Ferris. If the ref doesn't react to that infringement then you as a player will do what you can to 'curtail these activities'. I'd have stamped on his arm in the same position (and I regularly did when in that kind of position - just that all the refs I had couldn't find Specsavers). Mind you my team wouldn't have missed me much (other than as ballast in the scrum) if I had been sent off.....

You just can't have eejits messing around like that - being irritating, shirt pulling etc. Problem is that these days taking the law into your own hands is seriously frowned upon (it always has been just that stamping on limbs, as opposed to head or torso, was never thought that serious). DG just occasionally (very occasionally these days) loses it. If the ref had penalised Ferris for his activities and warned him about future conduct, then sent DG off and reversed the penalty then that would have been the correct course of action.

As someone else has said, Ferris appears to be enjoying the windup. He's playing fire with fire and will need to be careful. Someone will find him in a ruck and he won't just have a sore arm.

Note I have also been the kind of eejit that grabs folk, pulls them into rucks, trips them up, etc and I've been stamped on by heavier men than DC. If it gets you an advantage, etc.

OBinExile (still missing the game - although coming out of retirement one last time in March to play 2nd row with my son, who's bigger than me!)



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Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: OBinexile (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2010 09:57

Malco,
Succinctly put, mate!

OBinExile

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2010 10:32

Quote:
Malco
Danny didn't stamp on him, he stood on him.

If standing on him means bringing his foot down from a height of about 8 inches clearly I have no idea of the art of spin!

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Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Flat-top (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2010 11:57

Quote:
CoochieCoo
Quote:
Malco
Danny didn't stamp on him, he stood on him.

If standing on him means bringing his foot down from a height of about 8 inches clearly I have no idea of the art of spin!

Yes CC but the pictures and video have most likely been 'doctored' by an unscrupulous cameraman. (Sm161)

Come on Malco, take off the rose tinted specs and accept that DG stamped, however much you wish to make a case of provocation he stamped. Ferris' action may, I don't agree but it may, have deserved to be better policed by the ref but DG took a calculated risk in taking it into his own hands and he got caught, I bet he isn't complaining.

OBinExile said - , "Ferris appears to be enjoying the windup. He's playing fire with fire and will need to be careful. Someone will find him in a ruck and he won't just have a sore arm"

Where have you been this last month, did you not see the Stade pair both gouge Ferris at Ravenhill? In fact DG is probably luckier that the ref dealt with it at the time and avoided any further citing.

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: SaintsDuncan (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2010 12:27

"In fact DG is probably luckier that the ref dealt with it at the time and avoided any further citing."

It doesn't matter whether the ref dealt with it at the time, a citing is still possible.

Also a red card is an automatic disciplinary.

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: TallRugbyGirl (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2010 12:52

Danny's citing hearing is in Dublin on Thursday.

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Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: TallRugbyGirl (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2010 13:02

So - how long a ban might Danny get? If it's any longer than a few short weeks that could actually be the end of his career. Bath's season won't go past May 8th. He has yet to sign another contract, so unless he does (and if he does it better be with us) he's only got 14 weeks of his playing career left anyway.

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Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2010 13:08

I'm genuinely concerned that he's going to get the book thrown at him. The cynic in me worries about the significance of a French judge, in the light of the Dupuy and Attoub affairs and the perceived injustice towards French players.

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2010 13:17

a long ban would be utterly absurd- the world has gone mad. would the LV cup games count towards any ban? could at least be well timed!

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Patrick (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2010 13:22

Stamping can carry a ban of anywhere between 2 and 52 weeks. I'd hazard a guess at something like 4-5.

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Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Susanne (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2010 13:44

Can't the club come out and ban him until say 13 Feb and hope the commission agree. Worked for Beastie. Or are we not allowed to be that cynical?

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Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: OBinexile (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2010 19:07

Flattop
And Ferris stood up to say that the eyegouging wasn't really eye-gouging. Didn't stop the book being thrown at the French pair. Look, if Ferris carries on then some-one is going to do him serious damage. Two French guys failed to do any damage to his eyes - neither of these guys are renowned for gouging or anything similar. Pretty quickly someone else tries to remove his forearm - not for fun, but cos he was being an eejit. One of these days someone will finish off the job - unless he starts playing rugby and stops messing around. Top talent is going to be wasted.

OBinExile.

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Flat-top (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2010 20:58

Are you for real OBinexile? Did you not see the gouging video? I assume you also agree that the 70 week ban was anti-french and undeserved as there was no offence committed!

Are you Max Guazzinni in disguise?

You comments on the French pair having no previous form clearly shows you don't know what you are talking about, do a bit of simple googling on Attoub and then reconsider your post above.

I bumped into Ferris at the Xmas Market by the City Hall in Belfast the night of the Stade match and it looked like someone had taken a fork to his face, guess he deserved it in your book?

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: abcd in the sun sun sun (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2010 00:31

Quote:
Malco
Danny didn't stamp on him, he stood on him

Do you realise that your comments, make you sound utterly stupid? Unless you are joking in which case, I have just won the humour by pass award of the year!

OBin Exile, Attoub is lucky that he is allowed to every pull on a pair of boots in a competitive game of rugby again! He has more previous that the Krays!!!

Sorry to say it, I dont think you will see Danny in a Bath shirt again, which will be a real shame that he wont be able to get the applause from the crowd that he deserves!

He will, and sorry, should get a very, very long ban.

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: OBinexile (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2010 08:02

Sorry chaps my mistake. Ferris is just such an awesome player that people feel the need to damage him to stop him from playing. His appearance on the wrong side of rucks and mauls is due to his superhuman skills at coming through in an entirely legal fashion and that his one failinig is that his arms tend to end up lying on the wrong side of rucks where they continually get caught in opponents bootlaces.

You're right, Attoub is the kind of nasty player that is going to sort him out in a dark ruck or maul one of these days - fortunately he didn't manage to ie Ferris has still got his eyeballs intact. Its the scrum half, who I assure you is not well liked at Bath, but who isn't known for his dirty play.

I'm just saying that there are other players in Magners League rugby, as well as on the continent, who will feel the need to remind Ferris of the rules now and again.

OBinExile

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2010 08:29

Quote:
abcd in the sun sun sun
Quote:
Malco
Danny didn't stamp on him, he stood on him

Do you realise that your comments, make you sound utterly stupid? Unless you are joking in which case, I have just won the humour by pass award of the year!

Utterly stupid eh? So, what would you have done in the circumstances?

Close your eyes and imagine a 6 foot 7 inch nineteen stone man wearing studded boots stamping on the prone arm of somebody lying on the ground in anger and with malicious intent. Imagine the damage that will obviously be caused to that arm. And you say it's me that sounds "utterly stupid" by making the point that Danny stood, not stamped on him?



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Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Bath Fan Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2010 08:57

Speaking to an Irish guy yesterday he said that Ferris has everything coming to him as he is forever niggling and winding up.

Sure worked in Danny's case!

I have to say I blame the general style of refereeing which allows this low level irritation to occur and build up.

I would warn both teams before KO that if anyone steps one inch off-side it will be an instant penalty, if anyone pulls someones shirt or obstructs a runner chasing up a kick it would be an instant penalty etc etc.

Oh I almost forgot why is not straight in the line out immediately penalised whereas not straight in the scrum is just ignored?!

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: abcd in the sun sun sun (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2010 15:13

Malco

I saw a an under 5 player tread on the hand of an under 7 player a couple of weeks ago and it opened up like an over ripe plum!

I also saw my son, who is under 11 get a full blown kick in the face from an under 14 player and he got away with a small bruise...

He STAMPED ON HIM! I think even the most level headed of fans here will admit that he stamped, knew what he was doing and was very, very stupid!

If he trod on it, why did he not immediately remove his boot, instead of twist it?

Still, wear your blue and black tinted glasses, which is probably why you cant see what the rest of the world saw!

And dont forget, I am a fan of the boys! If it were any other reprobate from your squad, I would be calling for the beefeaters to clear a cell in the tower of london smiling smiley

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Barters (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2010 15:31

I'll be surprised and really annoyed if his ban is longer than 6 weeks.

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Lee Bideaux (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2010 21:00

Quote:
Bath Fan Jack
Speaking to an Irish guy yesterday he said that Ferris has everything coming to him as he is forever niggling and winding up.
Sure worked in Danny's case!

I have to say I blame the general style of refereeing which allows this low level irritation to occur and build up.

I would warn both teams before KO that if anyone steps one inch off-side it will be an instant penalty, if anyone pulls someones shirt or obstructs a runner chasing up a kick it would be an instant penalty etc etc.

Oh I almost forgot why is not straight in the line out immediately penalised whereas not straight in the scrum is just ignored?!

Putting aside my usual overactive sense of sarcasm/irony I agree 100% RE: reffing.

You know those things that refs are routinely crtitcized for? To whit:

- arrogance;
- aloofness;
- whistle-happiness;
- persnickettiness (sp.)

I long for those things. I'd love to see a match where the referee stops babbling about potential penalty offences at the players all the time during play and instead just blows the damned whistle. He can then explain the problem - to the captain only whilst his fourteen team-mates retreat 10m rapidly and without interfereing with the ball. Anything passing the captain's lips other than yes, your eminence to be greeted by the penalty moving 10m and another rapid retreat from the penalised team. Any comment at all from anyone other than the captain to get a yellow card. Any arsing with the ball after the whistle is a straight yellow. And so on.

Essentially the ref should be the cold automaton Terminator of the first movie and not the touch-feely T-800 of T2:Judgement Day.

You could solve many of rugby's current problems by empowering the refs (or sacking them and replacing them with heavily-armed killing machines - check Skynet's shop on eBay for great deals on new and used, or maybe try their rival OCP's ED-209 series of RoboRefs).

Anyone up for it?

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Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2010 21:58

It seems that everyone knows that Ferris is a wind up merchant. Shame we - Danny - could not keep our powder dry and resist rising to his provoking tactics. DG's reaction played right into Ferris' hands. I believe that we were never likely to succeed in that game once Danny left the field.

As to whether he stamped or trod on Ferris' arm, that will be decided by others not on this board. I do not think that "What was I supposed to do, he was holding my ankle guv" will afford Danny too much of a defence!

Re: Oh Danny Boy...
Posted by: RalphAllen (IP Logged)
Date: 28/01/2010 19:02

Mid=range in seriousness ... seven weeks suspension, doesn't return until after Sat 13 March

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