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Where will we finish this season?


Winners or losers?

By Stuart Anderton
July 9 2016

So, is your cup half full or half empty?

i've set up a new poll on the site for you to indicate where you think we'll finish next May.

Annoyingly I can't link directly to it, and where it is will vary depending on which device you are are us g. But try here:

http://www.rugbynetwork.net/boards/list/s105.htm?1469#vote

 

 

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Where will we finish this season?
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016:09:04:12:32:25 by Stuart Anderton.

ballsout
ballsout
10/07/2016 01:35
I think we're in for a disastrous season, even more so than last year. No coaches, an even smaller squad than last season, no cover during the Six Nations in key positions, some big players out the door, dodgy morale. I think we could be in big trouble.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
10/07/2016 14:23
I am trying to be positive but think like Ballsout, we are going to struggle. Many of our best players will be away with their National sides for much of the season and we still haven't got a decent replacement for Flouw when he is away, which by my estimation will mean we will not see him much before mid/late October then the Autumn Internationals kick in. We definitely don't have any known strength in depth, as proved last season, and still don't know what the situation is with RP, who anyway is likely to be with Wales.

If we get a run of injuries, we really could be in very deep trouble, and as for morale, well we will have to wait and see. I can only hope if there was such animosity between the players and MF, I can only hope that things have picked up a bit on this front. I have no info or insight on how the players view Booth and Edwards, but as they were part of the previous setup, they might well be tainted. Also, where is or what position is Hooper? Personally as he was part of the last regime, IMO he should have gone. I don't think he has any coaching qualifications so don't know what role he could undertake.

If we get stuck for a backs or potential head coach from the UK, we could do a lot worse than consider Ali Hepher. Look what he has helped achieve from a standing start with the Chiefs. Now he has just returned from his first international duty in charge of the Saxons successful trip to South Africa.

IMO, the pre-season games take on even more importance this season, when hopefully we can get some confidence and momentum going forward.

Forget the European Cup, and IMO we must concentrate on league position. As for the league position, I would say 8th is about right and if we squeeze top 6 that would be good. Anything higher will be an exceptional performance.

Last season I predicted nearly 85% of Bath results, so have based my assumptions on those experiences and looking at the comings and goings at the other clubs.

C'mon Bath prove me wrong.

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hasta
10/07/2016 14:44
I'm not as concerned about the international windows this season, and with the Little and Pointless cups there's plenty of opportunity to rest people.

We didn't lose last season because of the internationals. We lost because we were totally incoherent as a team. Forwards were very poor for 3/4 season and after 'chaos rugby' failed we panicked and had no game plan for the backs. Sort out a game plan and we still have a very talented squad, certainly enough to challenge for the top 6.

malco
Malco
10/07/2016 15:12
Until we have a coaching team and playing squad finalised it's pointless pontificating. We will finish somewhere between first and twelfth, almost certainly not inclusive. The longer it goes without these things being resolved, the lower down the league we are likely to finish.



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ballsout
ballsout
10/07/2016 15:14
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hasta
We lost because we were totally incoherent as a team.

Do you think Toby Booth, Darren Edwards will be able to sort that if the search for coaches (plural) drags on longer than expected? Morale is at an all time low and our squad is ridiculously small. Once Kyle and Priestland leave, we'll be left with 11 backs for instance, and three of those are scrum halves!

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hasta
10/07/2016 15:15
We've got a head/forwards coach and a backs/skills coach both with a decent amount of experience at top level. I refuse to believe they are incapable of coming up with a game plan for the team between them.

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hasta
10/07/2016 15:18
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ballsout
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hasta
We lost because we were totally incoherent as a team.

Do you think Toby Booth, Darren Edwards will be able to sort that if the search for coaches (plural) drags on longer than expected? Morale is at an all time low and our squad is ridiculously small. Once Kyle and Priestland leave, we'll be left with 11 backs for instance, and three of those are scrum halves!

Kyle's already gone, right? Contract was revoked, so he's gone. I can't see them letting Rhys go without a replacement.

ballsout
ballsout
10/07/2016 15:48
Sorry I meant once it's officially confirmed re: Kyle, and I can't see Priestland being here next year. Point remains, our already small squad is far smaller this season, at least for the moment.

As for the coaches, asking them to run a Premiership club is stretching them incredibly thin.

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OutsideBath
10/07/2016 16:03
No DOR, not replacing players that have left, not plugging the gaps we already had by now means no chance of finishing higher than last season. Likely to finish even lower.

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hasta
10/07/2016 16:10
The only player who has left (at this stage) who we haven't replaced is Kyle. Not saying centre isn't a weakness - it clearly is - but we've got an excellent, if thin squad. Sort out the lineout, get them playing as a team, we're a 4th-6th level team. Faletau and Charteris are excellent forward signings.

ballsout
ballsout
10/07/2016 16:20
We were a mess with four coaches, that included one former international coach and one current international coach. How are we likely to go with just two?

What about replacements for Devoto, Eastmond, Fa'osiliva, Agulla and maybe Priestland? Not to mention extra players that we needed last season, let alone this.

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OutsideBath
10/07/2016 16:29
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hasta
we're a 4th-6th level team.

Couldn't disagree more, we're more like a 10th-12th level team given the shambles we're in right now.

Have to assume the mess is directly down to Bruce and Tarquin.

Given that Bruce as the owner isn't going anywhere I'd personally like to see Tarquin sacked for this mess.

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hasta
10/07/2016 16:37
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ballsout
We were a mess with four coaches, that included one former international coach and one current international coach. How are we likely to go with just two?
What about replacements for Devoto, Eastmond, Fa'osiliva, Agulla and maybe Priestland? Not to mention extra players that we needed last season, let alone this.

There's a reasonable question about how much the former international coach caused the problems. Hatley was responsible for scrum - we'll probably miss his personality more though.

Devoto/Eastmond replacements I agree. Fa'osiliva barely played last season and is replaced by Denton/Sisi. Agulla wasn't first choice, replaced by the Cardiff winger. Priestland won't leave without a replacement.

I don't think we're back where we were, but we've still a very good first team. Quins, Glaws, Sale are fine, but nothing special at all - we have the ability to finish above them all.

ballsout
ballsout
10/07/2016 17:50
Hatley was responsible for a lot more than just the scrum. He was also the glue that held the squad together, his loss can't be understated, it's a huge blow.

The Cardiff winger was signed for the academy, at least that's where his profile is on the website, so we're still down a winger, and two centres, and even if we had those, last year proved our squad was too small to cope anyway, though I agree the Anglo Welsh and Amlin will give us an opportunity to rest. Then again, I'm not sure we have the numbers to rest that much + Booth has already said we'll be taking the Challenge Cup seriously.

Reports that George doesn't want to be here and Eastmond's unceremonious dumping don't help either. Add all of the above on to a foundation of sand from last year and I'm not sure how you can be so optimistic.

Where will our backline be from 10 to 15 when we have 5 players available during the internationals? And that's with no injuries.

HugoBoss
HugoBoss
10/07/2016 19:11
At this moment in time I'd say a finish of anything better than 9th is a big plus. Our downfall this season at this rate will be squad size. It's miniscule, and so miniscule it's scary. We simply do not have the squad size to realistically compete across 3 fronts.

We need a Head coach, if we employ one from outside, to come in and seriously grab the entire squad including academy by the balls very roughly indeed to get anything better than my prediction. And even then it would have to be seriously going some as besides squad size there are obviously deeper lying issues which developed during last season to be quashed.

Another frustrating season ahead.

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BathSalmon
10/07/2016 20:52
No no no. Top 6 this year! (I'm always optimistic)

We had a squad that everyone admits UNDER-performed last year. They've now had a summer break, even the internationals. Less expectations on them this year, less diversive characters in and around the squad. Renewed determination not to have another poor year. We still have class players (Ford, Joseph, Attwood, Watson, Faletau etc). Those players won't underperform two seasons in a row.

As for Head Coach, both Toby Booth and Darren Edwards have experience leading a club, so they will have the team up to speed for the prem.

We may lack a Head Coach with the nouce to get us into the top 4, but we are not in crisis.

The squad does still need some strengthening, but there is still plenty of time for that.

Keep Catt, Auterac and Attwood fit all season and get Thomas back into action, 6ft 10 Chateris to hit in the lineout and we will have a very good platform to work from.

And I haven't even mentioned we have one of the best finishers in the league in Roko and THE best 7 in the league in Louw.

And as for a cohesive game plan with a new Head Coach and taking time to settle. We have the LV and little cup to gain confidence and tweak plans.

Let get behind them, it's a new year and therefore new hope!

Salmon

Adopted Player 18-19: Anthony Perenise
Adopted Player 17-18 & 16-17: Dave Attwood
Adopted Player 15-16: Matt Garvey

Boldngrey
Boldngrey
10/07/2016 21:22
Well said BS.

We have a squad that is full of quality, if worryingly small.

We have got rid of the malign influence.

Step up Toby and make your name – you’ve nothing to lose!

Forget the players, let’s sign some new/more optimistic fans!

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
10/07/2016 22:10
When will some people be realistic. Yes we have some top talent on board but they haven't played together -ever. That takes time and as many will be away with their countries, if they come back unscathed, we won't see them till late March, if none of them are injured! All the internationals are away for the 4 AIs and 5 6 Nations. That is at least 9 out of 22 league games, plus of course no proper number 7 until late October/early November if Francois stays fit, which is remarkable for the amount of top quality rugby he plays!

Without good solid back up performers, which we don't have at the moment, we are realistically looking at 8/9th at best, and that is assuming Booth and Edwards can motivate the guys on their own. Also, put yourself in their shoes, why should they bust a gut. knowing that the arrival of super coach, their jobs are likely to disappear unless they click with the new guy?

Just be realistic please and see where we are. Or otherwise you will be hugely disappointed! 4/6th indeed, I thought I was being optimistic!

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hasta
10/07/2016 22:24
It's not 9 out of 22 games - at least three are clashes with pointless cup games and we won't lose the Welsh guys for the 4th AI or the off weeks in the 6N.

We could barely have had a worse season given the talent available to us last year. I don't think we'll make top four. Equally, Sale are weaker than last season, Quins are continuing to age in critical positions (and really, really struggle when Robshaw, Care and Brown are away), Glaws are Glaws, Saints, who knows. We were two wins off top 6 last season when abject.

12 is a problem. Depth is a problem. But the mid-table Prem teams are absolutely nothing special.

Boldngrey
Boldngrey
10/07/2016 22:27
The normal ration of gloomy nonsense.

‘Yes we have some top talent on board but they haven't played together -ever.’
Only Faletau and Charteris have never played together with the Bath squad.

Cheer up! Mercer will see us through. Anyway, I’m sure you’ll still be able to send us glowing reports of Exeter.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2016:07:10:22:42:24 by Boldngrey.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
10/07/2016 23:43
Hope you guys are right, but cannot see it myself. I don't think I am the only one either!

Lets see who is the winner, and by the way, Exeter will be higher than us at the end of the season, or don't you think that is likely either?

Can you see us beating them in either game?

ballsout
ballsout
11/07/2016 00:37
Was browsing the Planet Rugby message board the other day, a fair few have us down as being part of the relegation battle, I can't say I disagree. We're an utter shambles at the moment, on and off the field.

As for mid table teams being nothing special, maybe not, but they're still a cohesive team, something which seems beyond us. They also don't have a threadbare coaching set-up, rock bottom morale or a minuscule squad to deal with.

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BathSalmon
11/07/2016 06:23
This forum over the course of last season and summer has snowballed with its negativity.

I've even seen 'fans' harass the players last week on Twitter for playing cricket in their lunchbreak at training.
Which prompted Dom Day to refer to us as #plastic.

I'm not connected to Bath Rugby so can't give any insight into morale. But it's obvious they are well aware of comments on social media and dare I say it here as well.

Let's try not start the season with preconceived ideas left over from last year either. Do we think they haven't been working on anything over the summer? They will have a plan. Pre-season will give us a better idea of where we are as a team. We cannot just assume the malaise will continue.

We still have all the support staff around the club, strength and conditioning, medical etc. We just are a little light on first team coaches. I'm sure there are other clubs around the country that manage with 1 or 2 main coaches! But even this isn't long-term. We know they will bring someone in to lighten the load. Right now we are fine for preparing the players physically and the game plan will develop in the warm up matches.

As for Exeter, they ARE likely to finish above us. They are a model club and one all enjoy to watch. Good on them. Now it's time for us to start rebuilding our reputation as a club, so let's cut the negativity and get behind them. Otherwise what's the point?!

Adopted Player 18-19: Anthony Perenise
Adopted Player 17-18 & 16-17: Dave Attwood
Adopted Player 15-16: Matt Garvey

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BathSalmon
11/07/2016 09:57
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Bathovalballer
All the internationals are away for the 4 AIs and 5 6 Nations. That is at least 9 out of 22 league games, plus of course no proper number 7 until late October/early November if Francois stays fit, which is remarkable for the amount of top quality rugby he plays!

Just picking up on this...

Autumn Internationals
South Africa and Wales, play 4 straight Autumn Internationals between 05/11 and the 26/11. This only clashes with 2 Premiership games (Bristol (H) and Harlequins (A)). The other two games they clash with is the LV Cup.

So Mercer would be required to step in for just the two games. Louw, Faletau and Preistland would all be back for the following fixture against Saracens (H) - while the England boys are still away playing Australia.

So 3 Premiership games affected, but 1 of those we will have the Wales and South Africa players back.

Six Nations
The Six Nations games are played between the 04/02 and the 18/03 (7 straight weekends - assuming players are not released in weeks 3 and 5, where there are no games).

Of those 7 weekends, 3 are LV Cup weekends (wks 1, 6 & 7) and the others are Premiership games verses Northampton (H), Harlequins (H), Bristol (A) and Wasps (H). Harlequins and Wasps games are potentials for players being released, due to no Six Nations games.

So 4 premier league games affected, but 2 of which may have players released by the international sides.

So all said and done
There is the potential for 7 Premiership games to be affected by International call ups. 2 v Bristol, 2 v Harlequins, Northampton, Saracens and Wasps. 5 of the 7 are games at the Rec.

We play Saracens at home without their massive England contingent and we get our Wales and SA players back for that game.
Bristol games we should be winning, even without our Internationals.

Salmon

Adopted Player 18-19: Anthony Perenise
Adopted Player 17-18 & 16-17: Dave Attwood
Adopted Player 15-16: Matt Garvey

P G Tips
P G Tips
11/07/2016 11:24
I expect we will do better than last season, but while integrating new players and adapting to new coach (es)/game plan, will not reach the heights of the 14-15 season. 5th or 6th seem pretty likely.


PG

ballsout
ballsout
11/07/2016 11:54
I'm just trying to figure out what makes people think we'll do better this year, when we're in a far worse state now than we were last season. That said, good posts BathSalmon.

Boldngrey
Boldngrey
11/07/2016 11:58
MF's gone and Eddie's restored George's mojo.

ballsout
ballsout
11/07/2016 12:00
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Boldngrey
MF's gone and Eddie's restored George's mojo.

And George doesn't want to be here

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BathSalmon
11/07/2016 12:12
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ballsout
I'm just trying to figure out what makes people think we'll do better this year, when we're in a far worse state now than we were last season. That said, good posts BathSalmon.

Thanks, I suppose it all depends if you are being a realist or optimist (Neither is right or wrong).

I can't say I'm always the later, but right now, I want to have hope that we will leave last season behind and move forward.

We have signed some excellent players, we are heavily linked with Todd Blackadder.

We are also yet to see what capacity Stuart Hooper will be involved in the club as well, possibly coaching at some level? What we do know is that Stuart has joined Bruce & Tarquin on their trip to New Zealand this month, presumably to help negotiations with potential a Head Coach, so he is in the mix.

ballsout
ballsout
11/07/2016 12:24
I just don't see it. Hooper I'm sure will excel in his new role, but we'll miss his leadership, something we were painfully short of last year. Hatley is a monumental blow. Our squad is now embarrassingly small, and all it'd take would be a couple of injuries to really screw us up. Losing Houston and Eastmond will do nothing for the already rock bottom morale and discontent in the squad. I'd like to be positive but I think we're in serious trouble this year.

malco
Malco
11/07/2016 12:25
As things stand, I don't see how anybody can have any confidence that we will have a better season than last year. If we can rapidly appoint a great new coaching team and some key players then we can have a lot more confidence.

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BathSalmon
11/07/2016 13:01
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ballsout
Losing Houston and Eastmond will do nothing for the already rock bottom morale and discontent in the squad. I'd like to be positive but I think we're in serious trouble this year.

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malco
As things stand, I don't see how anybody can have any confidence that we will have a better season than last year. If we can rapidly appoint a great new coaching team and some key players then we can have a lot more confidence.

It's fine if you don't see it my way, I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise.

I do agree the squad is very low in some areas,

We could probably do with:
2 Flankers ( Blindside and Openside)
2 Centres (either position)

and if greedy:
1 Tighthead
1 Wing / Fullback

So 6 more signings - which is unlikely to happen, we may get another 2 or 3.

There is still time to strengthen, and I have every confidence that we will.

Losing Houston would appear to be a blow to morale, yet he has left of his own free will - There was no bad blood there. But lets not discount what bringing in a world class player that Faletau will do for morale.

Adopted Player 18-19: Anthony Perenise
Adopted Player 17-18 & 16-17: Dave Attwood
Adopted Player 15-16: Matt Garvey

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BathSalmon
11/07/2016 13:05
Just out of interest,

What can the club do between now and the season starting to help you become more optimistic about the season ahead?

- and does it all have to be in place before the opening fixture of the Premiership, or is there a little leeway in your minds?


(This is generally to those who have posted above)

Adopted Player 18-19: Anthony Perenise
Adopted Player 17-18 & 16-17: Dave Attwood
Adopted Player 15-16: Matt Garvey

malco
Malco
11/07/2016 13:10
Get a new Head Coach and coaching team. Bring in a starting 12, back-up 13, back-up 10, back-up 7, back-up 14 and back-up 15.

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OutsideBath
11/07/2016 13:11
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BathSalmon
Just out of interest,
What can the club do between now and the season starting to help you become more optimistic about the season ahead?

- and does it all have to be in place before the opening fixture of the Premiership, or is there a little leeway in your minds?


(This is generally to those who have posted above)

For me a top quality head coach needs to be appointed before the end of July and a number of signings announced to fill the numerous gaps we have in the squad. In the absence of this I will continue to believe this campaign will be a long relegation battle.

ballsout
ballsout
11/07/2016 13:11
A strong coaching staff (ie. not just Booth and Edwards) + a minimum of 5 quality signings to replace Eastmond, Devoto, Agulla, Fa'osiliva and Priestland when he goes.

That would be a start, apart from the fact that these coaches and signings will have almost no time to gel before the start of the season.

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Which Tyler
11/07/2016 13:40
I think we'll be somewhere in the 6-10 range.
We've still got 2 coaches, 1 backs and 1 forwards, and one with head coach experience. They're not ideal, and they're tainted by association with MFord; but they're good enough to reach par with the players available - assuming the dressing room can unite.
By removing MFord, Bruce has cut out the rot, but we've now got some healing to do.
I'd still rather we got the right guy than just the guy who's available NOW. If that means waiting until November, or until next July; then so be it.
As for the squad itself; we've still got plenty of talent when everyone is fit and available; and we're only really shy of a FH and IC during the worst case international call ups (all 3 potential FHs called up).

With all the departures, there must be plenty of space in the cap to get new players - but we're likely to have to wait a while; here's to hoping that the rumours around us chasing Jonny Williams (and Piers Francis) are true and successful.

Up front, just having Catt and Wilson fit and finding form will be like 2 new signings from last year.

A man who cannot change his mind, cannot change anything

RAEBURN SHIELD

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
11/07/2016 13:40
The problems with Mike Ford and Burgess were probably the biggest factors in the poor performances last season.

Those are now history and we need to look forward to a clean slate and building some team spirit. Fewer coaches might work in our favour if the game plans are clearer.

The deficiencies are clear but that could change quite quickly with player turnover being so much quicker in today's game.

The coach is a harder nut to crack, if they can sort that I could still be optimistic.

Yes, this is not the ideal prep but then some of the players coming in are of the highest quality and should integrate quickly.

Basically, too soon to even guess where we will finish.

malco
Malco
11/07/2016 13:47
The biggest issues we face are the lack of an appointed coaching team, but also the small matter of only having one specialist senior fly half, one specialist senior inside centre and one specialist senior outside centre. Of these the 10 and 13 are currently first choice internationals and the 12 has major question marks over fitness and durability. When the new Head Coach is appointed they will want to play to their preferred systems and appoint their preferred players to fill the spaces in the squad. We need to make this appointment as soon as possible now and I don't have any faith that we are near being able to do so.

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
11/07/2016 14:02
There are opportunities everywhere. Who wants to take their chances?

Boldngrey
Boldngrey
11/07/2016 14:17
Friends and family will tell you that in life I am the most miserable old devil on Earth. The one area in which I am unfailingly optimistic is Bath Rugby, because I so want them to succeed.

Every year I buy my season ticket and plod optimistically to the games and every year as the season unfolds disappointment slowly dawns.

Yet before the next season I renew, because I remember the good times and each new year I believe we will do better.

That’s what being a fan is about. It has little to do with reality and everything to do with hope and optimism.

Almost all of the posters on this thread will call themselves fans so where’s your hope? If you have none then why have most of you bought season tickets?

Ask me again at Christmas.

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OutsideBath
11/07/2016 14:29
I bought my season ticket before MF was sacked thereby denying him the chance to improve on last season and in the process alienating our best player. I thought he had enough credit in the bank for at least one more season.

I bought my season ticket trusting the club would make some quality signings, they haven't.

If this independent review did happen maybe it should have concluded that some of the players were the problem and not the coach?

I consider myself a fan, but my patience is being sorely tested by BC/Tarquin and the prospect of another season at the basement of the table. I guess I'm in the minority though in thinking we will finish no higher than last season.

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Which Tyler
11/07/2016 15:12
Malco - which of Ford and Priestland do you not consider a "specialist senior FH"?

A man who cannot change his mind, cannot change anything

RAEBURN SHIELD

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BathSalmon
11/07/2016 15:14
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OutsideBath
I bought my season ticket before MF was sacked thereby denying him the chance to improve on last season and in the process alienating our best player. I thought he had enough credit in the bank for at least one more season.
I bought my season ticket trusting the club would make some quality signings, they haven't.

If this independent review did happen maybe it should have concluded that some of the players were the problem and not the coach?

I consider myself a fan, but my patience is being sorely tested by BC/Tarquin and the prospect of another season at the basement of the table. I guess I'm in the minority though in thinking we will finish no higher than last season.

The most frustrating thing for me on this is that Bruce / Tarquin did not have anyone lined up after they sacked Mike Ford. Ideally, we would have liked a succession plan in place.

One can only assume that the conclusions of the 'review' must have been so damning for Mike Ford that they were left with no option other to cut ties with him immediately - presumably thinking that they would have all summer to find a replacement.

Obviously this was not Bruce's grand plan for the running of Bath Rugby. I agree that on-field results probably warranted another year in charge for Mike Ford. But whatever else came out of the review probably forced the situation.

Annoyingly their first choice replacement Van Graaf, was already in post and his employers refused to release him for his contract (and rightly so). This is where I have frustration with the situation, but also some sympathy with Bruce at the same time.

If the review essentially said Mike Ford's position was untenable, then Bruce couldn't keep him on. Yet when searching around for the right man to lead our squad, we are finding most candidates are in post / uninterested. Then Bruce is caught between a rock and a hard place, mostly not of his doing.

This is how I'm reading the situation. I have no inside knowledge so could well be completely wrong.

Bruce may yet surprise us with a signing or two, we may even get Blackadder, but I think Bruce's trump card has to be if he can solve the Rec planning issue. If he does that, he'll be a legend in my books - can't think of anything worse than watching rugby outside of the city centre!

Don't lose the faith OutsideBath!

Salmon

Adopted Player 18-19: Anthony Perenise
Adopted Player 17-18 & 16-17: Dave Attwood
Adopted Player 15-16: Matt Garvey

malco
Malco
11/07/2016 15:47
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Which Tyler
Malco - which of Ford and Priestland do you not consider a "specialist senior FH"?

The one who almost certainly won't be here at the start of the season.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
11/07/2016 16:01
I think you naysayers above will be pleasantly surprised.

I think we will finish in the Top 6.

Last season could not have been much worse, however we still managed to get "umpteen" losing bonus points. I can't remember how many but it felt like it was about 8.

Craig had no choice but to move Mike Ford on.

Can someone tell me why George Ford is so keen to move on?

malco
Malco
11/07/2016 16:07
George Ford won't move on until the end of his contract. If we appoint the right coaching team and some good players he may well decide to stay. At the end of his contract he will sign a new contract with whoever makes him the most attractive offer.

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Which Tyler
11/07/2016 16:17
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malco
Quote:
Which Tyler
Malco - which of Ford and Priestland do you not consider a "specialist senior FH"?

The one who almost certainly won't be here at the start of the season.
Ah ok, so I'm guessing you mean Rhys, who's reason for departure has departed, and who won't be released absent a suitable replacement (meaning we would have a specialist senior FH by definition)?

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malco
Malco
11/07/2016 16:28
Quote:
Which Tyler
Quote:
malco
Quote:
Which Tyler
Malco - which of Ford and Priestland do you not consider a "specialist senior FH"?

The one who almost certainly won't be here at the start of the season.
Ah ok, so I'm guessing you mean Rhys, who's reason for departure has departed, and who won't be released absent a suitable replacement (meaning we would have a specialist senior FH by definition)?

As things stand, Rhys has said that he wants to move and we don't have a replacement.

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Which Tyler
11/07/2016 16:32
Which means he'll be held to his contract; meaning we have 2 specialist, senior FHs.

By the time he is released, we will, by definition, have a suitable replacement coming. Meaning that we will still have 2 specialist senior FHs.

A man who cannot change his mind, cannot change anything

RAEBURN SHIELD

SaintED
SaintED
11/07/2016 16:33
Outside the top 6 but better than this season. You still have a very good squad but its hard to see how effective a pre-season they will be able to have with no DoR and so many new players. From the outside the club still looks like a basket case. I am sure that it can be sorted but I think it will take more than a season to do so and some of the fundamental issues with the squad remain. You certainly need to start like a train as I think you'll really struggle in the 6 Nations window. Best of luck but I think another tough season ahead and the mid table (with ourselves, Quins, Glaws, Sale) looks likely to be brutal.

ballsout
ballsout
11/07/2016 17:38
Quote:
Bath Supporter Jack
I think you naysayers above will be pleasantly surprised.
I think we will finish in the Top 6

I think people underestimate just how much a shambles things have become, on and off the field.

You're dreaming if you think top 6 is realistic under current conditions. A poor excuse for a coaching set-up, a miniscule sized squad and rock bottom morale.

malco
Malco
11/07/2016 17:51
Sad to say that Ballsout is bang on the money on this occasion.

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BathSalmon
11/07/2016 18:55
2 months away from the first Premership fixture.

Preseason training has only been going for a couple of weeks.

International stars are yet to report back for preseason.

There is still time for things to change. Players to be added and have time with the squad. Coaches to be signed and pass on preferred playing philosophies.

A complete change in style (if that is what the new coach specifies) will not fully take effect until half way through the season (I. E. Getting players comfortable in the new style and the team working as one). Expecting this for the first game verses Saints is unreasonable. It would have been so even if we had signed a Head Coach immediately after Ford left (no games to test the squad with).

A new head coach worth their salt will have their own style, game plans already. They won't need the summer to divise them. They will just need to be effective as relaying their game philosophies to the squad.

The following summer can then be used to adapt their game plans.

If we are worried about losing ground on signing players, well no other club are signing people right now either. If Bruce has his man, and that man is currently tied to a contract, then that man will identify people that Bruce can sign.

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malco
Malco
11/07/2016 19:09
No other teams are signing new players right now because no other teams have left it to now and are still at bare bones in key positions.

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BathSalmon
11/07/2016 19:42
Quote:
malco
No other teams are signing new players right now because no other teams have left it to now and are still at bare bones in key positions.

Ahh you got me there!

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BathSalmon
12/07/2016 09:41
Bruce and the Nz exploration party are back in the country. Let's hope they had a very successful raid!

Watch this space....

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jayeatman
12/07/2016 09:59
I think the departure of Kyle means Priestland is more likely to stay. A regular start at 12 looks likely. If it works for England/Farrell, why not Bath/Priestland? Maybe, post NZ, Wales will abandon Roberts/Warrenball, and he could play at 12 for them too?

malco
Malco
12/07/2016 10:28
Priestland will only stay if Priestland wants to stay.

Priestland is an international 10 and he wants to start at 10. Not make up the numbers at 12. We need a specialist 12 at 12, not a reluctant 10. Bowden will start at 12 ahead of Priestland because Bowden is a specialist 12.

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hasta
12/07/2016 10:50
Priestland is under contract. He won't be released without a replacement.

malco
Malco
12/07/2016 10:59
So you are going to bench an international 10 who is apparently hacked off and doesn't want to be here and expect him to perform to the required standard? It would make more sense to use Hastings or Jennings, young, hungry and eager to make their mark. I'd be very surprised if Priestland starts the season for Bath.

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OutsideBath
12/07/2016 11:00
Quote:
hasta
Priestland is under contract. He won't be released without a replacement.

Absolutely no point holding a player to contract when he doesn't want to be here, no guarantee he will give 100% and may well be a disruptive influence in the squad.

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hasta
12/07/2016 11:00
Well no, I'd rotate him with George

malco
Malco
12/07/2016 11:55
Quote:
hasta
Well no, I'd rotate him with George
So under what circumstances would you decide that it makes sense to play your second choice 10 ahead of your first choice 10?
In games that are of low significance. Mikey mouse European and Anglo Welsh cup matches.

Do you think Priestland will be happy with this?

Boldngrey
Boldngrey
12/07/2016 11:59
Quote:
OutsideBath
Quote:
hasta
Priestland is under contract. He won't be released without a replacement.

Absolutely no point holding a player to contract when he doesn't want to be here, no guarantee he will give 100% and may well be a disruptive influence in the squad.

What a great idea!

Pity Mike Ford didn’t think of it.

Boldngrey
Boldngrey
12/07/2016 12:01
Quote:
malco
Quote:
hasta
Well no, I'd rotate him with George
So under what circumstances would you decide that it makes sense to play your second choice 10 ahead of your first choice 10?
In games that are of low significance. Mikey mouse European and Anglo Welsh cup matches.

Do you think Priestland will be happy with this?

It worked at Saracens with Farrell and Hodgson.

Massage the ego for the sake of the team.

malco
Malco
12/07/2016 12:35
Hodgson was well into his 30s, retired from international rugby and planning for his retirement. He was happy to play second fiddle.

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
12/07/2016 12:46
I don't agree to being held to ransom by anybody. If Priestland is thinking as some say he is (we don't know) then we tell him to go out and prove he is better than Ford. Provided we give him those chances he can not complain.

This is very much a squad effort sport and I expect the new head coach to make sure the right ethic exists.

Boldngrey
Boldngrey
12/07/2016 14:18
Quote:
malco
Hodgson was well into his 30s, retired from international rugby and planning for his retirement. He was happy to play second fiddle.

But Farrell didn't complain about rotation?

DanWiley
Dan Wiley
12/07/2016 15:00
Did Ford? RP played almost as much as him, at 10, I don't recall George complaining.

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hasta
12/07/2016 16:55
It's not like Priestland signed without knowing George was here. He surely had higher expectations of starts than Mike gave him, but he would hardly have been expecting to start all first XV games.

Boldngrey
Boldngrey
12/07/2016 20:47
Quote:
DanWiley
Did Ford? RP played almost as much as him, at 10, I don't recall George complaining.

This was in response to Malco’s suggestion ‘Do you think Priestland will be happy with this?’

Perhaps I should have said ‘Farrell seemed to be happy with rotation?’

noidea
noidea
13/07/2016 17:05
Top 4 - see below

Toby took LI to the final in his first year as coach- he can't be all that bad.

Will RP even be away with Wales, can't see it at present unless they change the rules to accommodate him. He will get plenty of game time (has he even said he wan't to leave)

DB & KF are going to have storming seasons - injury free.

We now have probably the best engine room in the premiership.
Problems at hooker are sorted
Catt & Auterac are fit & not carrying injuries.
Who has a better back row in Europe?

We still have Ford, Joseph, Watson & Roko

We have plenty of budget for 4-5 more quality players
JvG is still on the radar, Matson maybe & we may still get Blackadder or Rennie (if we are prepared to wait a bit)

Lots to be positive about

ballsout
ballsout
13/07/2016 17:16
That's some fine rose tinted specs!

[quote]Will RP even be away with Wales, can't see it at present unless they change the rules to accommodate him. He will get plenty of game time (has he even said he wan't to leave)[/quote]

I doubt RP will even be here full stop, let alone not with Wales.

[quote]DB & KF are going to have storming seasons - injury free.[/quote]

Guesswork?

[quote]We now have probably the best engine room in the premiership.[/quote]

Ha. Maybe wait until Charteris has played a game and the Sarries pair break up before suggesting that.

[quote]Problems at hooker are sorted[/quote]

How? By losing a big scrummager in Webber and replacing him with Tigers' 4th choice and a (very promising) 19 year old?
[/quote]

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BathSalmon
13/07/2016 17:35
I think JvG is now off the radar, seeing as Bruce and Co went to NZ hunting for coaches. More likely they will get Blackadder and / or Matson.

If they do get those 2, with their preference for the 2-4-2 formation, we could be well placed to adapt to it. With Denton and Faletau keeping to the touchlines (a la Reid & co).

noidea
noidea
13/07/2016 17:38
[quote ballsout]That's some fine rose tinted specs!
Thank you

[quote]Will RP even be away with Wales, can't see it at present unless they change the rules to accommodate him. He will get plenty of game time (has he even said he wan't to leave)[/quote]

I doubt RP will even be here full stop, let alone not with Wales.

I guess we will see

[quote]DB & KF are going to have storming seasons - injury free.[/quote]

Guesswork? Optimism actually

[quote]We now have probably the best engine room in the premiership.[/quote]

Ha. Maybe wait until Charteris has played a game and the Sarries pair break up before suggesting that.
It's not just him that we've signed & our biggest problem last year was injuries to Atwood,Day & Hooper all around the same time. We now have strength in depth.

[quote]Problems at hooker are sorted[/quote]

How? By losing a big scrummager in Webber and replacing him with Tigers' 4th choice and a (very promising) 19 year old?

[/quote][/quote]
A 19 year old about to be fast tracked into the England squad & a pretty handy Bok - both of whom can manage the line out & carry the ball around the park.

malco
Malco
13/07/2016 17:46
I'm not worried about our pack although I do think that we need another specialist 7.

I am extremely worried about our midfield.

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hasta
13/07/2016 17:59
100% agree with Malco

noidea
noidea
13/07/2016 18:36
I'm sure Bruce & co know we need a starting 12 & backup 13 & hopefully another tighthead - I hope they had a chance to look at a few S15 options.

I imagine they would want the incoming coach to have had an input, so hopefully all will be made clear in the not too distant future.

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BathSalmon
13/07/2016 18:47
Quote:
noidea
I'm sure Bruce & co know we need a starting 12 & backup 13 & hopefully another tighthead - I hope they had a chance to look at a few S15 options.
I imagine they would want the incoming coach to have had an input, so hopefully all will be made clear in the not too distant future.

If they do have anyone in mind then it will take time for them to announce them. They will presumably have to wait for visas before being able to sign contracts.

So any silence from the club doesn't mean they aren't doing anything.

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hasta
13/07/2016 22:26
Remember Super Rugby still has a few more weeks to run as well. Sub-international SA and Kiwi players will also have proper clubs they might be contracted to for Currie and ITM cups...

DaveOfTrow
PottyDave
16/07/2016 07:23
Bookies and pundits alike had us as 2nd or 3rd favourites last season. I thought that was utterly unrealistic once the impact of the World Cup call-ups was clear. It was bad enough that we lost so many, but some of the really key players (I’m thinking half-backs) hadn’t even met, never mind done a decent pre-season and been indoctrinated in the “game plan” (whatever the hell that was supposed to be last season). I still expected top 6, but no more.

From that unpromising start the season spiralled into a perfect storm of avoidable and unavoidable events – world cup form/confidence hangovers for the England boys, questionable signings, Burgess quitting, Faletau not being allowed to join, Injuries all over the place, M Ford’s apparent man-management issues, etc, etc and all set against the ongoing Rec development slog and the celery cap punch-up. All this stuff must have massively sapped the energy and focus in the club.

But there were also many positives, not least many of the youngsters getting invaluable game time, Charlie Ewell graduating to Saxons, Zach Mercer and Darren Atkins in the U20 EPS, for example.

Looking ahead, the gaps exposed by last season’s trials are being addressed. IMHO the pack is looking a lot stronger and I think that is key.

As pretty much everyone has agreed, getting a proper coaching structure in place and strengthening the midfield needs to happen, and given that I think top 6 is realistic.

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
16/07/2016 21:43
Any announcements need to be made in the right order, coach(es) first, players next. The lack of player announcements isn't necessarily indicative of bad news, yet.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
17/07/2016 02:39
Quote:
Bathovalballer
When will some people be realistic. Yes we have some top talent on board but they haven't played together -ever. That takes time and as many will be away with their countries, if they come back unscathed, we won't see them till late March, if none of them are injured! All the internationals are away for the 4 AIs and 5 6 Nations. That is at least 9 out of 22 league games, plus of course no proper number 7 until late October/early November if Francois stays fit, which is remarkable for the amount of top quality rugby he plays!
Without good solid back up performers, which we don't have at the moment, we are realistically looking at 8/9th at best, and that is assuming Booth and Edwards can motivate the guys on their own. Also, put yourself in their shoes, why should they bust a gut. knowing that the arrival of super coach, their jobs are likely to disappear unless they click with the new guy?

Just be realistic please and see where we are. Or otherwise you will be hugely disappointed! 4/6th indeed, I thought I was being optimistic!

I agree unless a great deal changes very quickly. If it were possible to succeed with such a dangerously thin squad & coaching team everyone would do it. I really don't understand the high hopes of many supporters.

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BathSalmon
17/07/2016 11:23
I've been doing a straw poll to the Rugby writers on Twitter asking who would be brave enough to predict Bath in the top half of the table. So far I've heard back from:

Steve James - said should be top 6 with our side. Highlighting our "ridiculously good back 5' to make up for the lack of depth in the centres. (Confirmed Attwood Charteris Denton Louw Faletau as the 5)

Chris Jones - said with Blackadder then yes top 6.

Dan Evans - said top 4 to stay the same and we would be 6/7th.

Yet to hear back from 2 or 3 more. But that's a lot more positive out there than on here!

Freshfordboy
Freshfordboy
17/07/2016 17:40
Anyone know when the European fixtures are released?

Awp24975
Awp
17/07/2016 18:37
Quote:
Freshfordboy
Anyone know when the European fixtures are released?

Normally second week in August

southgate
southgate
24/07/2016 18:43
After the sevens at sandy park Bristol fans are apparently confident at staying up (posted by a chuff)and they think it will be at our expense should be red rag to a bull.

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TCM2007
24/07/2016 23:25
Most of our squad has never experienced a Bristol derby, so doubt it will have the same force as the Glaws game.

Stuart

Former ed.

malco
Malco
25/07/2016 05:55
The danger is that the Bristol matches will be far more significant to Bristol's players than to ours. That's exactly what happened last time they came up. This time round it will be especially true of all those shown the door by Bath...Perenise, Henson, Koster, Mosses et al.

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Which Tyler
25/07/2016 09:52
"shown the door by Bath"?
I have to admit, that wasn't really the impression I got with any of those 4 (possibly Mosses). I'm not saying that they won't have a point to prove, and maybe some wrongs to right; but not "shown the door"

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EverOptimistic
EverOptimistic
25/07/2016 15:41
Quote:
southgate
After the sevens at sandy park Bristol fans are apparently confident at staying up (posted by a chuff)and they think it will be at our expense should be red rag to a bull.

Forgive the intrusion from a Bris fan. I assume this is the Chief's post you refer to

" We both noted at the end how down and dejected the Bath players were. BT said they arrived in 2 cars and seemed to have no one in overall charge. If this is a reflection of the main 15s I can see some big trouble there.

I spoke to a number of Brissle fans before game and they are confident Bris will stay up and could be at Bath's expense - good luck to them. There's clearly underlying issues at the Wreck and I'm sure it'll all come out later in the season."


I would beg to suggest they're not typical Bris fans the majority of whom, after 7 years in the Championship, are not confident of anything. I also read the comment to mean that the Chiefs fan was suggesting it could be at B***f's expense. Most Bris fans would hate you to be relegated - a driving force for promotion was the return of the Bris B***f derbies.

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BathSalmon
25/11/2016 14:03
This is fun re-reading this! Oh the doom and gloom.

Just goes to show we have come a long way as a club, in a short space of time.

What's exciting is we're no where near the finished article.

Long way to go in the season granted, but so far it's far better than any of us had predicted!

Salmon

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gaz59
gaz59
25/11/2016 14:27
Well it is worth checking off Malco's shopping list of 11/07/2016 12:10

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hasta
25/11/2016 14:47
I'm pretty comfortable with my contributions!

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
26/11/2016 08:15
A win today could make a big difference. Even though Sarries are affected by international calls I fear they will be too strong for us & winning in Coventry will be a long shot. At best we will be 4th at the year end but Exeter could pass us unless we beat them & Quins. In the new year we have some easier matches (on paper) until we hit the Sarries/Wasps stumbling block, though we may be approaching full strength by then. If we keep our form we could end up in the top 4 fingers crossed but I fear Sarries & Wasps will be out of sight.



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Boldngrey
Boldngrey
26/11/2016 09:00
Top 6 now looks very likely.

Top 4 looks very possible.

Can someone produce the stats to support my optimism?

by
by
26/11/2016 09:33
We could target Sarries on the 3rd. No England contingent but we'll have a three of our stronger players back in Faletau, Charteris and Fotuali. Hopefully Fruean should be in the mix as well. If we go into Sarries without any new injuries, I'd say we've definitely got a chance.

gaz59
gaz59
26/11/2016 10:37
Boldingrey if you look at the number of defeats the team in 6th place usually concedes in a season, it usually 9 or 10 in a full season

Saints have already lost 5 from only 9 games

We've lost 1 from 8

Top 6 for us is far from nailed on but it is a high probability

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
26/11/2016 10:44
Quote:
gaz59
Boldingrey if you look at the number of defeats the team in 6th place usually concedes in a season, it usually 9 or 10 in a full season
Saints have already lost 5 from only 9 games

We've lost 1 from 8

Top 6 for us is far from nailed on but it is a high probability

And what do the stats say about a top 4 finish?

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hasta
26/11/2016 11:55
Top four = win all your home games and win 4 away.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
26/11/2016 13:13
We always have a chance By, but even with our extra players back, we will do well to get a win.

Looking at the form book and results and squad depths, I see Sarries top, Wasps second, Leicester third, Exeter 4th, Quins 5th and 6th between us Saints and Gloucester. IF we do beat Sarries,and it is a big if, we will definitely be top 6 IMV as it would be such a boost to morale. Saints must come good soon and I believe Glaws are turning the corner and will come into it more as the season progresses. If we lose, I am sticking to my preseason prediction of 7th and top 6 would be a really good result.

IMO the Quins game takes on a huge importance to our final league position, as we may well struggle to get anything from either Sarries or Wasps, and Exeter at home is going to be vital as well. Time will tell.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
26/11/2016 14:42
Quote:
Bathovalballer
We always have a chance By, but even with our extra players back, we will do well to get a win.
Looking at the form book and results and squad depths, I see Sarries top, Wasps second, Leicester third, Exeter 4th, Quins 5th and 6th between us Saints and Gloucester. IF we do beat Sarries,and it is a big if, we will definitely be top 6 IMV as it would be such a boost to morale. Saints must come good soon and I believe Glaws are turning the corner and will come into it more as the season progresses. If we lose, I am sticking to my preseason prediction of 7th and top 6 would be a really good result.

IMO the Quins game takes on a huge importance to our final league position, as we may well struggle to get anything from either Sarries or Wasps, and Exeter at home is going to be vital as well. Time will tell.

That is a very pessimistic view BOB & I'm not given to over optimism. The reason I asked for a statistical view was that it would inform our discussion though I accept they are not always reliable. You seem to be assuming that we've been rather lucky to date & when we get most of our players back we wil play worse (Sm26)

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
26/11/2016 20:52
Thanks for reminding us BathSalmon, funny reading indeed.

I guess we are only part way through the season, but whatever happens from here this has been a remarkable performance so far.

In the first post there is a comment about 'dodgy morale' being a problem.

I think we can be certain that morale must be in great shape, you cannot start so well without a great spirit in the camp.

I would be very optimistic if it weren't for the manufacturers of crutches doing such good business with our team. Just optimistic without the 'very' then.

miller8
miller8
27/11/2016 08:59
When we are at full strength we can beat anyone anywhere and by the turn of the year we will be close to full strength and to be honest non of us really know what full strength really looks like on the pitch with this mix of players. I remain very excited!

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Toast and Marmite
27/11/2016 10:00
Quote:
Bathovalballer
We always have a chance By, but even with our extra players back, we will do well to get a win.
Looking at the form book and results and squad depths, I see Sarries top, Wasps second, Leicester third, Exeter 4th, Quins 5th and 6th between us Saints and Gloucester. IF we do beat Sarries,and it is a big if, we will definitely be top 6 IMV as it would be such a boost to morale. Saints must come good soon and I believe Glaws are turning the corner and will come into it more as the season progresses. If we lose, I am sticking to my preseason prediction of 7th and top 6 would be a really good result.

IMO the Quins game takes on a huge importance to our final league position, as we may well struggle to get anything from either Sarries or Wasps, and Exeter at home is going to be vital as well. Time will tell.

Is that because all the teams who'll finish above us have pwerful front fives, nuggetty back rowers who can pick pocke the ball and jet-heeled backs? (Sm111)

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

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shipwrecked
27/11/2016 11:26
Quote:
Bathovalballer
We always have a chance By, but even with our extra players back, we will do well to get a win.

I think this is a very bleak view of things looking at yesterdays results, Khan, Faletaua and the England lads will all coming back after significant wins, Grant, Fruean and Tapuai have all got something to prove and we have blooded some key youngsters. I am quite excited we wont win all but there are going to be some big results in my view!

annie blackthorn
annie blackthorn
27/11/2016 12:02
I stillthink after reading all of the recent above, that we will be in the top 6.

Currently, Blackadder et al are still 'new' and I doubt that we will be in a position to beat the top 4 this season. Let's hope we can do a number on Quins today, but not confident. Sarries at home next up - o joy! Just have to contain them somehow to maintain a bit of self-respect and pride.

p.s. Wonder what on earth is going on at Saints?? Some of their fair weather supporters are calling for Mallinder to be sacked - such a naďve and facile reaction!

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
27/11/2016 14:32
Quote:
annie blackthorn
I stillthink after reading all of the recent above, that we will be in the top 6.
Currently, Blackadder et al are still 'new' and I doubt that we will be in a position to beat the top 4 this season.

I'm a bit confused. Who do you classify as top 4? We have already beaten Exeter away with a much depleted team. I take it you mean Sarries, Wasps & Leicester? I agree with the first two but although we were thumped by Tigers when nothing went our way I would say with our players back we could beat them at home. Obviously everything could fall apart & returning players may not integrate as we hope but I cannot see why we shouldn't hope & expect to be top 4 based on the season so far. I am not confident about today though mainly because of concerns over our half- back pairing but I have been wrong several times already this season.

Beergoggles
Beergoggles
27/11/2016 20:04
I'm confident we'll end up top 4. Question is whether we can gell quickly enough and keep enough key players fit to have a real crack at Wasps and Sarries for the top spot.

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