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Good work ATTR.

Off the top of my head;

1) So he's not that really bothered about ST holders not renewing? I find that odd as well.

2) Hasn't it been mentioned on here somewhere, that premier seating ST's are now included in the total number sold at CCS, even though this type of ticket wasn't available at CAP? Therefore this would skew the figures.
As for the straw poll; mmmm?

3) So, financially, they are doing better than last season, but expect to lose money over the short to medium term? That's another mmmmm? from me.
They also expect attendances to increase long term. Did he say how they would make this happen? And how long is the "longer term"?

4) Agreed.

5) The bus has always been there for me at the end of a game. There again i'm quick off the blocks. I suppose if you're not one of the first lot, you have to wait till one of the buses returns.

6) 11% is peanuts I would have thought.

7) Is the rent capped by any chance?

8) Why don't CCC just feck off and die?
They help out CCFC, at the same time as announcing 300 redundancies. Bunch of tw*ts if you ask me.
This new clubhouse; will it be a "standalone" clubhouse or a bar and a room etc as part of a bigger building?

9) What did they expect FFS? Haven't they heard of the Liberty?

10) Good news.

11) Goes without saying. Shame they didn't think like that when they agreed to the god awful rental deal.

12) Good luck to the Robinson boys.

In terms of the proposed clubhouse no further details were forthcoming. However, I would guess the clubhouse is a main issue affecting the Athletic stadium not presently meeting the criteria for the WP.

time will tell.

Some things that Mr Doull said both on and off the record have panned out some not exactly.

The acid test in the 2011 AGM of CRFC Ltd where the income levels refered to will be confirmed or otherwise.

I wondered about the clubhouse because the land adjacent to CCS is being developed by having a sporting something or other built on it.
While you're at it, how far from the pitch does a clubhouse have to be?

Back to point 1.
If he didn't seem that bothered about people renewing their season tickets, this would explain why there have been all the deals and freebies available. That is he doesn't give a monkeys about current season ticket holders. How can a financial director have an attitude like that? How is this good for attracting new and better sponsors?
It doesn't make sense to me.

Distance wise, I'm not sure. I don't think it can be on the the SdR site though (not because WP regs). Carmarthen's is not on site but quite close so there is a bit of latitude.

Re ST holders. As long as there are some retaining exixting is not priority. Of corse such short term attitudes spell disaster more often than not.

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how far from the pitch does a clubhouse have to be?

Close enough that Mrs Jenkins from Butetown doesn't have to catch more than two buses from Friday afternoon bingo in Canton to the ground to hoover the players lounge!

Mr Jenkins doesn't like his tea getting cold...

Excellent news about a regional clubhouse being built near by. I understand that some people who were unhappy about drinking standing up around the compass bars were travelling back into the City to use Cardiff's club house. It will be nice having somewhere closer by that we can call home.

It is not a £regional clubhouse. It is a club house for the club: ALL of the club. It will be part of any move of the Rags to the athletic stadium. If that does not happen then other plans will be looked at.

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It is not a £regional clubhouse. It is a club house for the club: ALL of the club. It will be part of any move of the Rags to the athletic stadium. If that does not happen then other plans will be looked at.

Thats not what you said in your initial post?

"8. CCC is putting immense political pressure on CAC to sell CAP. It WILL happen. CRFC Ltd is looking at plans for a new ground and clubhouse for the RFC side. The plan is to include a training facility. There is also a plan to get a clubhouse for the regional side near to the SdR."

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"8. CCC is putting immense political pressure on CAC to sell CAP. It WILL happen. CRFC Ltd is looking at plans for a new ground and clubhouse for the RFC side. The plan is to include a training facility. There is also a plan to get a clubhouse for the regional side near to the SdR."

Jesus wept. You're not one of those people who doesn't understand what he is supporting, are you?

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Blues R Us4
"8. CCC is putting immense political pressure on CAC to sell CAP. It WILL happen. CRFC Ltd is looking at plans for a new ground and clubhouse for the RFC side. The plan is to include a training facility. There is also a plan to get a clubhouse for the regional side near to the SdR."

Jesus wept. You're not one of those people who doesn't understand what he is supporting, are you?

Eh?

ATTR states that "CRFC Ltd is looking at plans for a new ground and clubhouse for the RFC side"

and then goes on to say

"There is also a plan to get a clubhouse for the regional side near to the SdR"

My maths isn't great but I make that two clubhouses, one for the Cardiff RFC side and one for the regional side.

What's your point?

Exactly. I thought people were able to understand the issues.

The WP stipulates a clubhouse at / near the ground. One of the ideas behind moving to the athletic stadium is that there will be a clubhouse close to the SdR so there will be a clubhouse "on site" for the club's members to use after regional games as well as Rags games. Building two clubhouses would have a serious cost impact, so ONE clubhouse for the ONE club that CRFC Ltd is makes sense. Of course if people wish to perpetuate the myth of two clubs.



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Well I won't be renewing my ST next season, for numerous reasons

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Exactly. I thought people were able to understand the issues.
The WP stipulates a clubhouse at / near the ground. One of the ideas behind moving to the athletic stadium is that there will be a clubhouse close to the SdR so there will be a clubhouse "on site" for the club's members to use after regional games as well as Rags games. Building two clubhouses would have a serious cost impact, so ONE clubhouse for the ONE club that CRFC Ltd is makes sense. Of course if people wish to perpetuate the myth of two clubs.

So when you said that there were plans to build a new ground and clubhouse for the RFC side and a new "regional clubhouse" You didn't mean 2 clubhouses or that the "regional clubhouse" was for the "region"

Is there any other part of you initial post that you think you may need to expand on?

I'm sure I read somewhere that Sophia Gardens and the Athletics stadium have already been dismissed as being too costly?



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The club wants a clubhouse near to its ground. if both sides play close to each other one clubhouse for the one club will be the more most cosrt effective weay of doing that. If the two sides do not play close together (as now) then the desire to rectify the lack of an "on hand" club house at the SdR would involve a second club house for our one club.

I see no reason to make any futher explanation of mr Doull's comments I and all but one person who have read then have had no problem understanding them so far.

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The club wants a clubhouse near to its ground. if both sides play close to each other one clubhouse for the one club will be the more most cosrt effective weay of doing that. If the two sides do not play close together (as now) then the desire to rectify the lack of an "on hand" club house at the SdR would involve a second club house for our one club.
I see no reason to make any futher explanation of mr Doull's comments I and all but one person who have read then have had no problem understanding them so far.

Thanks, so "a new ground and club house" for the RFC side

AND

"There is also a plan for a new regional club house"

equates to one club house?

It doesn't - does it?

I appreciate your own explanation of how things might turn out but that's not what you told us, Doull said.

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What's your point?

My point is that do you seriously think that CRFC ltd would spend millions building two club houses?

Sure, ATTR wrote the piece poorly but he's a ref, so you wouldn't expect accuracy from him.

So you really think that Thomas would build two clubhouses side by side: do you really?

If the two continue two play a distance apart then maybe they would build one for the regional team.

To explain in simpleton terms.

They realise that the SdR does not provide the "clubhouse atmophere they thought it would (in fact promised us!). they would like to have a clubhouse. By relocating the RFC side to the Athletic stadium it would allow a clubhouse (which would have to be built under WP regs) to be built to serve the club with only one set of running costs. This makes sense since it would be pretty stupid to have to build two clubhouses and incur two lots of running costs. Would it not?

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So you really think that Thomas would build two clubhouses side by side: do you really?
If the two continue two play a distance apart then maybe they would build one for the regional team.

To explain in simpleton terms.

They realise that the SdR does not provide the "clubhouse atmophere they thought it would (in fact promised us!). they would like to have a clubhouse. By relocating the RFC side to the Athletic stadium it would allow a clubhouse (which would have to be built under WP regs) to be built to serve the club with only one set of running costs. This makes sense since it would be pretty stupid to have to build two clubhouses and incur two lots of running costs. Would it not?

Yes it would be expensive but it is also what you have suggested in your initial post.

I thought the Athletics stadium was a non-starter?

While we're at it, what is the WRU definition of a clubhouse?
Also;
What would the building need to include?
Who can use it?
Can it be just part of a building?
Can it be shared?
What would it be called?

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So you really think that Thomas would build two clubhouses side by side: do you really?
If the two continue two play a distance apart then maybe they would build one for the regional team.

To explain in simpleton terms.

They realise that the SdR does not provide the "clubhouse atmophere they thought it would (in fact promised us!). they would like to have a clubhouse. By relocating the RFC side to the Athletic stadium it would allow a clubhouse (which would have to be built under WP regs) to be built to serve the club with only one set of running costs. This makes sense since it would be pretty stupid to have to build two clubhouses and incur two lots of running costs. Would it not?

Yes it would be expensive but it is also what you have suggested in your initial post.

I thought the Athletics stadium was a non-starter?

I suggested no such thing. The fact that you put 2 and 2 together and made 5 is not down to me nor the words of mr Doull.

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I suggested no such thing. The fact that you put 2 and 2 together and made 5 is not down to me nor the words of mr Doull.

Come on ATTR, its in black and white (or black and blue)

8. CCC is putting immense political pressure on CAC to sell CAP. It WILL happen. CRFC Ltd is looking at plans for a new ground and clubhouse for the RFC side. The plan is to include a training facility. There is also a plan to get a clubhouse for the regional side near to the SdR.

"plans for a new ground and clubhouse for the RFC, ALSO a new clubhouse for the regional side"

If that is what he told you, then its open for interpretation but it certainly sounds like two clubhouses.

The Athletics stadium is a non starter, isn't it?



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THey need a clubhouse for supporters who go to the SdR.

If the Rags move they will need a clubhouse. By moving down to Leckwqith they can achive both aims by building ONE clubhouse for the ONE club. Can you not see?

Who told you that the Athletic stadium is a non stater?

Aren't CCFC selling off the land surrounding the CCS to raise some cashish, maybe a snippet of land close to the CCS can be bought/allocated for a clubhouse? The CCFC lads may want a slice of it also.

They have a buyer, or so they have said.

It would be interesting to see what is planned, if the developer has a brain he would take into consideration the sites proximity to the stadiums and take advantage of it.

7. We pay 25% of match day costs. This is capped so if costs were to go "through the roof" there is a limit to such costs.

What roof?

You get caught in the showers down at CCS as well!

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You get caught in the showers down at CCS as well!

Stop dropping the soap!!

Put it away!!!

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THey need a clubhouse for supporters who go to the SdR.
If the Rags move they will need a clubhouse. By moving down to Leckwqith they can achive both aims by building ONE clubhouse for the ONE club. Can you not see?

Who told you that the Athletic stadium is a non stater?

Yes, thats very clear but thats not what Doull said, is it.

I'm sure that I read somewhere, during the CAC AGM, The Athletics stadium and Sophia Gardens had both been written off as possible new sites for Cardiff RFC as they were too expensive?

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Yes, thats very clear but thats not what Doull said, is it.

I'm sure that I read somewhere, during the CAC AGM, The Athletics stadium and Sophia Gardens had both been written off as possible new sites for Cardiff RFC as they were too expensive?

That was similar to my understanding too.

Sophia gardens was too expensive as it would involve moving the astro turf pitch etc and the athletics stadium at present doesn't comply with WRU rules. Both would require a clubhouse as well to add to the expense.

Also at the AGM, the chairman didn't give the impression that "CCC is putting immense political pressure on CAC to sell CAP".

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Yes, thats very clear but thats not what Doull said, is it.

I'm sure that I read somewhere, during the CAC AGM, The Athletics stadium and Sophia Gardens had both been written off as possible new sites for Cardiff RFC as they were too expensive?

That was similar to my understanding too.

Sophia gardens was too expensive as it would involve moving the astro turf pitch etc and the athletics stadium at present doesn't comply with WRU rules. Both would require a clubhouse as well to add to the expense.

Also at the AGM, the chairman didn't give the impression that "CCC is putting immense political pressure on CAC to sell CAP".

Aye - I thought it was more of a "We're staying put" comment from the chairman, although I did get that second hand. Did you go DC?

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Aye - I thought it was more of a "We're staying put" comment from the chairman, although I did get that second hand. Did you go DC?

Yes I did and "we're staying put" was basically the impression I got unless an offer was put on the table that just couldn't be refused and also they had somewhere to move to.
It was also mentioned that the bowls club would have to be relocated which would involve even more expense.

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THey need a clubhouse for supporters who go to the SdR.
If the Rags move they will need a clubhouse. By moving down to Leckwith they can achive both aims by building ONE clubhouse for the ONE club. Can you not see?

Who told you that the Athletic stadium is a non stater?

Yes, thats very clear but thats not what Doull said, is it.

I'm sure that I read somewhere, during the CAC AGM, The Athletics stadium and Sophia Gardens had both been written off as possible new sites for Cardiff RFC as they were too expensive?

Try reading with a bit of logical thought! Both sides need a club house = the problem. Answer build one near to the SdR and relocate the other side to a ground so we only build ONE. Think about it. You need to learn what people mean not just read the words.

The Athletic stadium does not presently meet the criteria. If a clubhouse is bulit by the co for the WHOLE club then the cost will not be prohibitive on the Rags so that problem goes away. However, it is down to the membership.

The stadium was not written off and the club will consider any proposal that is put as they will have to move at some point.



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THey need a clubhouse for supporters who go to the SdR.
If the Rags move they will need a clubhouse. By moving down to Leckwith they can achive both aims by building ONE clubhouse for the ONE club. Can you not see?

Who told you that the Athletic stadium is a non stater?

Yes, thats very clear but thats not what Doull said, is it.

I'm sure that I read somewhere, during the CAC AGM, The Athletics stadium and Sophia Gardens had both been written off as possible new sites for Cardiff RFC as they were too expensive?

Try reading with a bit of logical thought! Both sides need a club house = the problem. Answer build one near to the SdR and relocate the other side to a ground so we only build ONE. Think about it. You need to learn what people mean not just read the words.

The Athletic stadium does not presently meet the criteria. If a clubhouse is bulit by the co for the WHOLE club then the cost will not be prohibitive on the Rags so that problem goes away. However, it is down to the membership.

The stadium was not written off and the club will consider any proposal that is put as they will have to move at some point.

Logic has nothing to do with it, you're reading between the lines and making your own assumptions.

Doull said a ground and a clubhouse for Cardiff RFC Also a clubhouse for the regional side.

Now that is admittedly open to interpretation and the cheapest option would obviously be to have a shared facility but if they can't get somewhere close to SDR to build a new ground for Cardiff RFC, its not going to happen is it?

Obviously not. But then if it does not then I doubt that yo uwill see a clubhouse at leckwith.

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Obviously not. But then if it does not then I doubt that yo uwill see a clubhouse at leckwith.

Maybe not, or maybe we will see a clubhouse for Cardiff RFC and ALSO a clubhouse for the regonal side.

We will have to see.

That is not the plan. The conversation went into more detail with some part that I said were "off the record" but the plan is not 2 clubhouses.

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Obviously not. But then if it does not then I doubt that yo uwill see a clubhouse at leckwith.

Does anyone actually want a 'clubhouse' at Leckwith anyway? I can't stand the place as it is, and would certainly not hang around after games in that part of town. Soulless.

The Board think that a place near the ground to act as a focus is a good idea. A bit like it is done at ............................................CAP?

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That is not the plan. The conversation went into more detail with some part that I said were "off the record" but the plan is not 2 clubhouses.

And you've waited until now to tell us that?

Aye, OK.

From the article:

"Mr Doull also spoke "off the record" so I cannot reprint those items here."

Quite obviously it was not a verbatum report. Still chose to ignore if you like. As I also said; "I cannot prove any of it.".

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From the article:
"Mr Doull also spoke "off the record" so I cannot reprint those items here."

Quite obviously it was not a verbatum report. Still chose to ignore if you like. As I also said; "I cannot prove any of it.".

No, fair enough, I can see why Mr Doull would have wanted any loose clubhouse talk off the record - potentialy earth shattering that is.

It is not for me to say why he would or would not wish a particular comment to be either on or off.

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It is not for me to say why he would or would not wish a particular comment to be either on or off.

Did he tell you why he wanted the clubhouse talk "off the record"?

If he had said that I would not have written what I did. I wrote what was not off the record.

Surely you could answer your obvious question.

Let's put it in Kindergarden terms.

Told off the record = Not published

Told ON the record = Published

Something like the SNK would not be 10 next season was "ON". Who his replacement was was"OFF".

Some information about a topic was on the record whilst more detailed ( sesnsitive) bits were not.

Do you understand any better now.

By the way don't try fishing as no off the record stuff will be told.



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If he had said that I would not have written what I did. I wrote what was not off the record.
Surely you could answer your obvious question.

Let's put it in Kindergarden terms.

Told off the record = Not published

Told ON the record = Published

Something like the SNK would not be 10 next season was "ON". Who his replacemete was was"OFF".

Some information about a topic was on the record whilst more detailed ( sesnsitive) bits were not.

Do you understand any better now.

By the way don't try fishing as no off the record stuff will be told.

So the clubhouse talk was not "off the record" - why did you say

"That is not the plan. The conversation went into more detail with some part that I said were "off the record" but the plan is not 2 clubhouses"

then?

Please learn to understand the english language:


"Some information about a topic was on the record whilst more detailed ( sesnsitive) bits were not."

What a fabulous night out you would have at Leckwith!
Superb location with wonderful views of the stagnant river Ely and you can always get Bread and milk from Asda's on the long, long walk to any form of cizilization.
Hardly be a financial success stuck out in the A'hole of Cardiff would it!
What a hole the powers at be have dug for the loyal followers of this club/clubs.

Well some of the Cardiff Blues fans think it is beautiful. Mind you some folk buy expensive flats (sorry apartments) down the Docks / Bay

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Well some of the Cardiff Blues fans think it is beautiful. Mind you some folk buy expensive flats (sorry apartments) down the Docks / Bay

And a third of these "luxury" apartments are still empty.

But they're progress; how dare the people of Cardiff not snap up these carbuncles and make the property men even more money?


We are all luddites I tell you. How dare we put substance over spin?

At least these apartments are only a third empty not two thirds like CCS. Therefore with my mad reckoning that makes them twice as successful.

Damn the working class!!!
The proletariat should be shot and the bourgeoisie can bulldose the hovels and build beautiful homes(in Leckwith) and eat cake!

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Damn the working class!!!
The proletariat should be shot and the bourgeoisie can bulldose the hovels and build beautiful homes(in Leckwith) and eat cake!

A whiff of grapeshot has been known to do the trick.

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Please learn to understand the english language:

"Some information about a topic was on the record whilst more detailed ( sesnsitive) bits were not."

You're a funny one.

We're talking about whether or not there will be two clubhouses.

You eventually tell us that is not the plan and that some conversations were off the record

Then, that the clubhouses did not form part of the "off the record" conversations

Then you tell us to learn to understand English?

THe general issue of a clubhouse was not "off the record" details of the plan were. Do you see the difference. Just as in "SNK is not going to be the 10 next season" is on the record. but who was going to be instead was not.

Simple English.



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Here's new the Ladies' clubhouse by the look of it.
Pica Pica on Westgate Street.
Great location too. The front door must be only about 30 yards from The Arms Park.
Will you be attending, Jules?

[www.cardiffblues.com]



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Why not have the [TAURUS] in caroline street for the new clubhouse have ended up drunk there a few times.

Taurus is no more.

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Taurus is no more.

SAD NEWS

Went a long time ago!

So for all those who did not know it can't be that sad as you haven't been there for so long anyway!

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Went a long time ago!
So for all those who did not know it can't be that sad as you haven't been there for so long anyway!

Not that long ago. Camilla did not take long to plaster windows with "Go to Charlstons" I remember the night well!

Closed 28 Jan 2009.Over a year ago! Long enough for people who liked it enough to be sad about it to know.

Surely if it was that wonderful / popular it would have been busy and stayed open.



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Surely if it was that wonderful / popular it would have been busy and stayed open.

Just like the Warriers!

The Taurus lost its allure when it moved across the road years ago. There must be someone on here who can remember the sawdust on the floor in the old place where the steaks were cooked in front of you in real fire by a big sweaty hairy bloke.