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Irish Time Article - West's awake to new IRFU threat
By Sea_point
February 27 2010
Well we all knew that it was coming and to say anything else would be disingenuous...
We knew that just because there are still games currently played at the Sportsground that the endgame was still in play of the self-serving Leinster/Munster & Ulster committee men who have no interest in Irish Rugby as a whole but are set on serving the requirements and lining the war-chests of their own Provinces.

It's a challenge and that's all it is; nothing is written in stone despite what the blazeratti of the other three provinces and their administrative hounds think. We and Connacht Rugby has choices to make and they must make them now, not at the end of this season when there are fewer distractions to distract our focus.

We can accept this from the IRFU or do something about it/ force their hand. My own feeling is that any attempt by the IRFU to withdraw financial support for Connacht should be rebuked forcibly through the courts, I'm positive that there is sufficient evidence that Connacht Rugby has been systematically discriminated against by collusion of the IRFU committees for decades (never mind in the pro era).

One example of the discrimination is that the other three provinces are widely known as the Senior Provinces, on what basis? The fact that the Connacht Branch was not created until Ten Years after Leinster, and six years after Munster & Ulster. We constantly have thrown in or faces that there is no rugby history in Connacht, to the extent that some younger supporter actually believe that. They are simply confusing Success with History, there is 115 years of Rugby in Connacht...

Lets face it, if our culling is the raison d'être of the IRFU then legal action has to be the final roll of the dice in our defence. If a court case was to be brought against the IRFU,

  • They won't want their accounts brought into evidence showing the decades and decades of waste that has gone on (including currently paying millions of Euro per annum to foriegn players, when there are perfeclty adequete palyers available and young players crying out for opportuntiy),
  • And also confirming the biased against investment and representation at the same level as the other provinces into and for Connacht. 
The fight needs to be so that we are supported financially at exactly the same level as the other provinces, and also any shortfall in funding (and we are talking several million Euro) during the professional era is made up by the IRFU so that a level playing field can be achieved (to my mind this shortfall would need to be invested into infrastructure, as well as strengthening of the squad).

I don't have all the answers, but three things I do know if we are culled..

  1. I will support fully any concerted campaign to defend our right to a Professional Rugby team.
  2. If my Province is culled to save a few shekels, I will never support an Irish Team national or Provincial side for the rest of my days.
  3. I would seriously consider not allowing or encouraging my child/ or any other children within the province to play in a club or participate in Rugby activity governed by the Irish Rugby Football Union.

The great sadness is that the Conancht Branch shot itself in the foot four years ago when it effictively disenfranchised and forced the closure of it's own supporters club. Will thosewho were heavily involved at the time step forward this to man the barricades..? Possibly, but I'd say the branch needs to formally throw an olive branch out to this group to ensure thatthey are on board.

 

"West's awake to new IRFU threat

GERRY THORNLEY Rugby Correspondent

Fri, Feb 26, 2010

RUGBY: THERE IS deep disquiet within Connacht's ranks that, yet again, the Sword of Damocles may be hanging over them following the IRFU's recent decision to permit only one-year contracts for those already on the province's books.

This also follows a recent governance and operations review of the professional game within Connacht, which has either yet to be completed or the results of which have yet to be made known.

Apart from a handful of players who were already under longer contracts, it is understood the IRFU are only sanctioning one-year deals for any other players whom Connacht are looking to re-sign beyond the end of the 2009-10 season.

This is in stark contrast to the other three provinces, where most of their squads have already been signed up for next season and where the union have not applied such an across-the-board ceiling on the length of contracts.

For example, Ulster have recently signed Johann Muller and Xavier Rush, as well as home-grown players Stephen Ferris, Paddy Wallace and Rory Best, on longer deals.

What's more, Leinster have already found a successor to Michael Cheika and secured the Clermont Auvergne assistant coach Joe Schmidt on a three-year deal, and Tony McGahan has re-signed for another two years at Munster, whereas Connacht have been unable to confirm Michael Bradley's successor.

This is despite Bradley announcing his decision to stand down after seven years at the helm as far ago as early November and, on top of which, Connacht quickly lined up his assistant, Eric Elwood, as the man to replace Bradley.

However, as with player contracts, the IRFU will only sanction a one-year contract for Elwood which, understandably, has not gone down well with the province or, presumably, Elwood.

In truth, the threat to Connacht has never fully gone away ever since the IRFU considered axing the province as a professional entity in the 2002-03 season. That was only averted after the supporters rallied round the province and marched on Lansdowne Road.

Within the province, it is feared that one or two influential committee men, as opposed to the executive staff, are again looking at the possibility of saving the union an estimated €2.5 million per annum by abandoning Connacht as a professional entity at the end of the 2010-11 season.

This is in light of the financing of the Aviva Stadium (the loan for which is being paid off in five years), the estimated halving of the valuation of their property portfolio in the economic downturn and undisclosed financial assistance to Ulster.

Regarding the policy to offer only one-year contracts to the Connacht players, an IRFU spokesperson last night confirmed: "That's correct," adding: "The reason behind that is that the union have conducted a governance and operations review which has only just been completed.

"That was on the basis that Connacht came to the union to ask us to look at their rugby and business model. Connacht felt that they were in an unsustainable position and asked the IRFU to conduct a review in order to create a more sustainable model to operate in.

"Pending that review the union felt it was prudent not to offer more than one-year contracts.

"Very few people have seen that review," he added, but said that it would soon be circulated.

It could be that when the results of the review are released, the purse strings will yet be loosened and contracts of more than one year will be sanctioned.

But until that happens, those within Connacht's professional ranks will remain deeply concerned.

© 2010 The Irish Times"


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From IT this morning...

RUGBY: THERE IS deep disquiet within Connacht’s ranks that, yet again, the Sword of Damocles may be hanging over them following the IRFU’s recent decision to permit only one-year contracts for those already on the province’s books.



This also follows a recent governance and operations review of the professional game within Connacht, which has either yet to be completed or the results of which have yet to be made known.

Apart from a handful of players who were already under longer contracts, it is understood the IRFU are only sanctioning one-year deals for any other players whom Connacht are looking to re-sign beyond the end of the 2009-10 season.

This is in stark contrast to the other three provinces, where most of their squads have already been signed up for next season and where the union have not applied such an across-the-board ceiling on the length of contracts.

For example, Ulster have recently signed Johann Muller and Xavier Rush, as well as home-grown players Stephen Ferris, Paddy Wallace and Rory Best, on longer deals.

What’s more, Leinster have already found a successor to Michael Cheika and secured the Clermont Auvergne assistant coach Joe Schmidt on a three-year deal, and Tony McGahan has re-signed for another two years at Munster, whereas Connacht have been unable to confirm Michael Bradley’s successor.

This is despite Bradley announcing his decision to stand down after seven years at the helm as far ago as early November and, on top of which, Connacht quickly lined up his assistant, Eric Elwood, as the man to replace Bradley.

However, as with player contracts, the IRFU will only sanction a one-year contract for Elwood which, understandably, has not gone down well with the province or, presumably, Elwood.

In truth, the threat to Connacht has never fully gone away ever since the IRFU considered axing the province as a professional entity in the 2002-03 season. That was only averted after the supporters rallied round the province and marched on Lansdowne Road.

Within the province, it is feared that one or two influential committee men, as opposed to the executive staff, are again looking at the possibility of saving the union an estimated €2.5 million per annum by abandoning Connacht as a professional entity at the end of the 2010-11 season.

This is in light of the financing of the Aviva Stadium (the loan for which is being paid off in five years), the estimated halving of the valuation of their property portfolio in the economic downturn and undisclosed financial assistance to Ulster.

Regarding the policy to offer only one-year contracts to the Connacht players, an IRFU spokesperson last night confirmed: “That’s correct,” adding: “The reason behind that is that the union have conducted a governance and operations review which has only just been completed.

“That was on the basis that Connacht came to the union to ask us to look at their rugby and business model. Connacht felt that they were in an unsustainable position and asked the IRFU to conduct a review in order to create a more sustainable model to operate in.

“Pending that review the union felt it was prudent not to offer more than one-year contracts.

“Very few people have seen that review,” he added, but said that it would soon be circulated.

It could be that when the results of the review are released, the purse strings will yet be loosened and contracts of more than one year will be sanctioned.

But until that happens, those within Connacht’s professional ranks will remain deeply concerned.

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I was in shock when I read that this morning. I feel quite empty right now.

We have no chance of a future

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If we cannot secure the services of players in the mid-term we really might as well label ourselves as Munster/Leinster reserves. Aside from being a stage upon which home grown talent may parade itself to bigger bidders.

We already cut back our wage bill for this season with some of the perceived higher earners departing (Bruce, Riggs etc..) and cutting back on squad numbers.

This is frightening stuff and in its light I couldn't give a sugar what happens in Twickenham tomorrow.

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I know the feeling, I was getting all geared up for the game but now I couldn't give a @#$%&. Time to change the wording to the three proud provinces of Ireland.

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This is very dissapointing and worrying news. However, the question that must be asked here is of the Connacht Branch. The irony is that the usual conservatism of the CB looks like it was ditched and they've proactively gone to the IRFU with a business model and the IRFU have viewed this as an opportunity to get the wheels in motion as regards ending Connacht as a professional entity. If the brown stuff is about to hit the fan we as supporters need to know whats going on.

I'm going to e-mail Gerry Kelly to suggest a public meeting or at the very least a press release to state what is going on and I think its something all Connacht Supporters need to do. Its the supporters team as well and they can't expect us to keep pumping money into an operation if its only another season to run.

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An absolute f**** outrage...the three other provinces are dictating whats happening remember munster started off with crowds of less than three thousand and its only know lenister are taking a strong foothold.

They don't want any of the sponsorship deals to go haywire and they are acutely aware that connacht rugby is going well underage and all other provinces are fearful of what this will do to them in the long term.

also look at connachts base in glaway is also a significant attraction..supporters from non irish teams would flock for weekends to galway especially is heineken cup was forthcoming (you would see average attendances for them games hit at least 7 thousand) as opposed to the medicority of limerick dublin and belfast...look at the volvo ocean race for our nighlife.....

are there any chuck feeneys out there? the realisation is that if there was significant investment it would gurantee that connacht would be a success its like a locked goldmine ready to be opened.....perhaps we should be writing letters with a business plan to some of these philantropists?

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It doesn't make sense from a playing point of view to shut Connacht down - otherwise we would be looking at a second choice provincial hooker on the bench tomorrow rather that a match hardened Magners League hooker with massive potential ready to explode on the scene.

If Ireland are going to compete at the highest level we need 4 professional sides - when the IRFU tried to shut us down before they used the Aussies as their template, similar numbers and 3 pro teams at the time - now there are more numbers playing the game in Ireland than Australia and they have just started a 5th Pro side.

Maybe we will see suggestions that we play more games in Athlone - with the motorway now opened, it is only a 40 odd minute trip from Galway - and they always got decent crowds for the matches down there, and money is what is talking here.

We might also see more players coming from the other provinces as they see the success of Cronin and to a lesser extent Keatley, Carr and Duffy all getting representative honours over the last couple of seasons, which could give us that extra wee bit we need to be competitive not only in Europe but also in the Magners, which again would generate bigger crowds.

The branch also need to improve their attitude towards their hard-core fans. For the first time in years I didn't buy a season ticket this season, as I didn't see the value that you would expect with paying up front, and it proved to be the correct decision as over the course of the season paying in at the gate is going to work out cheaper than getting a season ticket - that's not the way to treat loyal fans in my book. A covered stand of SOME SORT would be appreciated on the clubhouse side of the ground also.

It would be astonishing for the IRFU to shutdown the only unbeaten side in European competition this season (Sm100)

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The branch also need to improve their attitude towards their hard-core fans. For the first time in years I didn't buy a season ticket this season, as I didn't see the value that you would expect with paying up front, and it proved to be the correct decision as over the course of the season paying in at the gate is going to work out cheaper than getting a season ticket - that's not the way to treat loyal fans in my book. A covered stand of SOME SORT would be appreciated on the clubhouse side of the ground also.
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This is a fair point and its even more crucial now. I think the Branch need to make us aware of the situation at this stage. Its in the public domain now so they need to make it clear as to where the situation is at. Us supporters are all stakeholders in Connacht Rugby and have every right to hear what is going on with the professional squad that we have pumped our hard earned money into over the years.

I for one am not going on another march to Dublin unless the Connacht Branch at least lay their cards on the table over this issue insofar as they can.

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We might also see more players coming from the other provinces as they see the success of Cronin and to a lesser extent Keatley, Carr and Duffy all getting representative honours over the last couple of seasons, which could give us that extra wee bit we need to be competitive not only in Europe but also in the Magners, which again would generate bigger crowds.

That would have been the ideal if it wasn't for this news. We won't see that while we're handcuffed by a one-year cap on contracts. No professional will feel at ease signing a single year deal when they could be offered more security anywhere else.

The Connacht Branch share a lot of the blame here. Once more the IRFU pull out the probe, grease it down and tell the CB to bend over. Where are the cries of "Screw you, I'm not taking this anymore"? No, instead they say, "Thank you, sir, can I have another?"



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Plus ca change, plus le meme chose!

And the IRFU blazers let this fly, just weeks ahead of the April game! How are any of the lads to 'get up' for the game now?

Actually, given this will have been circulating internally for a period, as players would have been querying the shorter contracts and would have been putting 2 and 2 together. It puts the recent performances, including the Ospreys game into a very good light for the lads!

The IRFU, and in particular the blazeratti should be ashamed, yet again, of themselves. They probably feel they have cover in the current economic environment.

Would you see the GAA merge county boards together, or abandon Louth or Leitrim, or heavens above, Antrim, because they couldn't pay their way? Can you imagine the uproar??? Would we have the Hoey sisters in Vancouver? Would you have the cricketers either? All examples of where Irish sport is trying to be inclusive and in attempting to achieve that level of professionalism, there is a need to assist the weakest most.

There's been a few blazers lying in the long grass since 2003 and they're mustering again! If Gerry wants us to support the cause, we need to know the facts, now, otherwise its curtains for all.....

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This isn't a surprise. It's been on the cards for over 12 months now. Typical of the IRFU to leak this information on the weekend of a Six Nations game via Thornley (it's a miracle they didn't release it via their usual lapdog Ward) where it will get swamped amid the wider coverage.

As expected they've learned from the 2003 campaign. They've gone long this time. Given us 15 months notice, but with enough of a lead time to try to undermine this year's Amlin Cup campaign. Why, there's even a piece in the article saying it's not the permanent officers behind this, but rather one or two influential members of the Committee. Smart move that. It tries to take the heat off Browne. One of the reasons why the campaign succeeded last time was because of the public pressure put on Browne which he very much didn't like.

The campaign must start immediately. Rugby is in the public eye during the Six Nations. There are two home internationals to come. Perfect fora for demonstrations. We need to know the names of these faceless members of the Committee who want us chopped so that we can name and shame. It's time again for a lead from the Branch, and time that men like Billy Glynn expose the charlatans behind this.
Direct action will do the rest. There's no appetite in the wider public to cull Connacht.

And in the meantime Eric and the boys must win the Amlin Cup!

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It's time again for a lead from the Branch, and time that men like Billy Glynn expose the charlatans behind this.
Direct action will do the rest. There's no appetite in the wider public to cull Connacht.

Theres a much more dangerous animal out there, APATHY....

While supporters of other provinces won't directly call for us to be culled, they know what side their bread is buttered...

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It's time again for a lead from the Branch, and time that men like Billy Glynn expose the charlatans behind this.
Direct action will do the rest. There's no appetite in the wider public to cull Connacht.

And in the meantime Eric and the boys must win the Amlin Cup!

Agree I think before anything else we need to hear something concrete from the branch. They can't keep supporters in the dark forever. Its in the public domain now so the branch need to face up to it and spell out the situation. Burying their head in the sand is only going to make things worse.

This news is a test of character for all within the squad and Connacht Branch as a whole.A strong finish to the ML and at least a semi final and hopefully a final spot in the Challenge Cup would send out the right signal.

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Tough reading...

I can honestly say that i will be shouting on the other provinces in the Heiniken Cup, as we all know, that if another Irish team can win, then we will be included in the Heiniken Cup for the following season, which may be the spark to rejuvinate the Connacht rugby engine.

I cant say that this hasnt been expected, but if the chop ever did come, my faith in Irish rugby would die on the spot.

Im not giving up on the team, this is where we, the fans, come in. We have supported them through the good times and the bad, and im hoping for more good times in the future.

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Gerry says it's all ok, so that's grand then...

Stand down everyone, nothing to worry about....(Sm161)

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The CEO of Connacht Rugby has rejected claims that contract restrictions imposed by the IRFU have acted as a stumbling block in appointing a new coach by announcing that Michael Bradley’s successor will be revealed within the next 24 hours.

Gerry Kelly said that the recent decision by the IRFU to sanction only one-year contracts for playing and coaching staff had not had any significant repercussions for the province.

“The decision has not had any major impact,” he said. “There is a review taking place across all four provinces and we are not unduly concerned. The new coach will only be offered a one-year contract but, in the modern economic climate, we do not foresee that as being a problem.”

A governance and operations review of the professional game in Connacht is currently being conducted with a view to identifying ways in which the game can be made more sustainable in the province in future.

A similar project has just been completed in Ulster, and the outcome of the IRFU review in Connacht is expected shortly, though the CEO played down the importance of its findings and emphasised the importance of maximising attendance at Connacht’s remaining home games.

“We’re not privy to what happened with the review in Ulster but the most important thing for us is that we keep getting more people through the gates for the six remaining home fixtures – that’s the bottom line,” said Kelly.

Bradley made the announcement that he would be stepping down from his position as early as last November after seven years at the helm. Speculation has been rife that his assistant, Eric Elwood would be named as his successor but the IRFU-imposed ceiling on the length of contracts had been seen as a possible stumbling block.

It would appear that this has been overcome however, as Kelly confirmed that a press conference would be held on today or tomorrow at which the new coach would be unveiled to the media.

Kelly was also keen to refute rumours which had been circulated in recent days, suggesting that members of the committee were considering the possibility of abandoning Connacht’s professional status after next season in order to save the province an estimated €2.5 million a year.

Moves by the IRFU to remove the professional status of the province eight years ago were abandoned after vehement resistance by supporters who marched on Lansdowne Road. Kelly was quick to rubbish the rumours that circulated last week.


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“That was on the basis that Connacht came to the union to ask us to look at their rugby and business model. Connacht felt that they were in an unsustainable position and asked the IRFU to conduct a review in order to create a more sustainable model to operate in.

If the CB did in fact go to the IRFU and ask for this review they all but guaranteed that they would be shut down. The only thing they should have been asking them for was an additional €3 million in funding to create a more sustainable model. Did they hope that by opening themselves up to this review that the IRFU would have readily concluded that the additional funding was the way to go? They essentially gave the committee an opportunity to do what they have wanted to do for a decade.

I'm not buying Gerry Kelly's assurances either. I have a feeling he will be taken care of by the IRFU either with another position or compensation should they decide to close up shop at Connacht. He knows if it is confirmed too early that the ax is falling after next season it will be nearly impossible to field a squad above the AIL level and they'll be lucky to see 500 souls fill the Sportsground.

I think the one year limit on contracts really says it all. Is the thought that a whole new squad would be brought in for the 2012-13 season? If professional rugby is not at risk then certainly there are players that any management team could see the use in giving longer term contracts to. A limit on contracts and the continuation of professional rugby in Connacht only makes sense if they plan a drastic change.

Something like making Connacht a true developmental province by dropping them out of the ML sticking them in the British and Irish 'A' league and maybe keeping them in the ECC. The players' salaries would come out of the other provinces budget allowing the IRFU to cut Connacht's funding rather than increase it.

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I'm not buying Gerry Kelly's assurances either.
Me neither...

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A similar project has just been completed in Ulster, and the outcome of the IRFU review in Connacht is expected shortly, though the CEO played down the importance of its findings and emphasised the importance of maximising attendance at Connacht’s remaining home games.

Yeah, but were Ulster restricted to one year contracts during their review? No, the weren't. Just because Ulster had a review due to some financial trouble (which their funding was increased), doesn't mean that Connacht were ever going to get more money.

Kelly doesn't know what he is at. Why doesn't Connacht have a competent business man as CEO, and not a school teacher? Jobs for the boys!

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"unsustainable" - thats the single most worrying word to hear. It does feed into the IRFUs hands to shut us down looking for a review, knowing that we were never a priority of investment. I hope that the wheels stay on Connacht forever, this news is bothering me. Im sure Bradley knew what was coming, is that why he leaves now? Only allowing one year contracts, we wont be able to bring in anyone that isnt a jorneyman (if anyone at all),

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Along with all others here, I too am extremely concerned about this report. A limit of one year contract extensions will not exactly instill confidence within the players themselves - I hope this won't have too detrimental effect on upcoming matches - but surely the insecurity is bound to have an effect.

So for the moment we / Connacht are in limbo. I'm nearly inclined to think that the best thing the IRFU can do at this stage is to ditch Connacht completely, and see for Connacht to move forward as an independant entity. Surely can't be too difficult for Connacht to raise 3 million per annum privately.

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An element of this story is that the IRFU want to pay off the new Lansdowne Rd stadium in the next 4/5 years.Do they honsetly think that culling Connacht would save them massive money. Who pays any big loans off in that space of time? Connacht will not break the IRFU bank being allocated 2.5 million per annum. Disbandment of Connacht would have a massive negative effect on grassroots rugby in the region.

Even the idea of getting rid of Connacht and not allowing Italian teams into the Magners league does not promote the game whatsoever. Teams and the game should be invested in.
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Thornley deserves great credit for releasing this information, I understand that the process has been underway for some time, and it was being kept under wraps. As was Ulster’s special financial arrangement. I especially admire how he spills the beans on Ulster’s undisclosed funding.

With all due respects to GK,he was probably given assurances by HQ that the review was about finding a more sustainable future for Connacht and not as a means to shut down the professional team.

It's the manner in which Ulster get treated that most bothers me, first of all they were not restricted to 1yr contracts during their review, far from it. It gawls how different both provinces get treated. The restrictions enforced on Connacht during our review will create such a chasm between us and the rest that it’ll create an opportunity for HQ to remove our professional status.

Connacht can help themselves further by reviewing the home match kick-off times , 6.30pm on a Friday in Galway is not working in terms of building a fan base. A more user friendly time should be arranged immediately , building a core (attending) fan base of 2.5k – 3k would be easier achieved by having a later Friday evening time or more likely early Saturday evening.

Finally , the IRFU and Ulster should disclose the amount of money given to them .This will allow people to understand the level of support available to “struggling” teams and if such an injection would be beneficial to Connacht. While they’re at it , they should explain why their success is only marginally better than Connacht given the gap in budgets.

Rant over for now!

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Fud, you make a good point in bringing up Ulster. I certainly do not want to see them shut down, but questions can easily be asked about the IRFU's return on investment there. An argument could be made that with equal funding over the past 10 years Connacht could have matched if not exceeded their performance.

Since Ulster won the HEC in 1999 they have not made it to the knockout stage. They have topped the Magners (Celtic) League on a couple of occasions but are just as likely to finish in the bottom half. They contribute 4-5 players to the international squad on game day. Respectable enough but something IMO Connacht could match given a level playing field.

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Guys don't get bogged down with Ulster's finances, that's a complete Red Herring. Ulster effectively operate in a different territory (UK) and as a seperate entity finacially to the IRFU.

Despite their poor perforamce in Europe since 1999 they have a healthy enough balance sheet based on the fact that they average 10,000 attendences per game every year and have increased their cash flow by building the new stand which has corporate facilities (something the main stabnd didn't).

Ulster are not the bad guy in this, I'd be looking further South & East if your looking for culprits for piece of our funding...

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Connacht can help themselves further by reviewing the home match kick-off times , 6.30pm on a Friday in Galway is not working in terms of building a fan base. A more user friendly time should be arranged immediately , building a core (attending) fan base of 2.5k – 3k would be easier achieved by having a later Friday evening time or more likely early Saturday evening.

They have tried later kick-offs this year for a few games, but I don't think it has had much effect.

Early Fridays mean people can't get there. Late Fridays means not getting back to Sligo/Mayo/Wherever until close to midnight. If you go to the odd game that's not a big issue, but if you want to get to every home game each year that's a major effort.

Saturday or Sunday evenings are the only supporter friendly times. Kelly has said they don't want to take Saturday evening because that is when clubs play. There are two problems with this logic, for one, that's a case of the tail wagging the dog. The provincial team should be the be all and end all, everyone else should work around the province in an effort to improve it and by extension, themselves.

The second problem with his logic is it's irrelevant. Are we to believe players make it to Galway for the match on a Friday, then travel back to Sligo in preparation for their match away in Roscommon the next day? It's nonsense, Friday games do not give players the chance to attend matches, unless those players are in Galway already.

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There is great confidence that this review will be positive for Connacht in todays Galway Advertiser. Lets hope that todays news will be accurate and a brighter future is in store

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Connacht can help themselves further by reviewing the home match kick-off times , 6.30pm on a Friday in Galway is not working in terms of building a fan base. A more user friendly time should be arranged immediately , building a core (attending) fan base of 2.5k – 3k would be easier achieved by having a later Friday evening time or more likely early Saturday evening.

They have tried later kick-offs this year for a few games, but I don't think it has had much effect.

Early Fridays mean people can't get there. Late Fridays means not getting back to Sligo/Mayo/Wherever until close to midnight. If you go to the odd game that's not a big issue, but if you want to get to every home game each year that's a major effort.

Saturday or Sunday evenings are the only supporter friendly times. Kelly has said they don't want to take Saturday evening because that is when clubs play. There are two problems with this logic, for one, that's a case of the tail wagging the dog. The provincial team should be the be all and end all, everyone else should work around the province in an effort to improve it and by extension, themselves.

The second problem with his logic is it's irrelevant. Are we to believe players make it to Galway for the match on a Friday, then travel back to Sligo in preparation for their match away in Roscommon the next day? It's nonsense, Friday games do not give players the chance to attend matches, unless those players are in Galway already.

I don't think their logic is the impact on players attending games, could be two things. If we play Saturday AIL clubs lose squad players for games, and impact on Club attendances if they are competing with Connacht. Pretty tenuous I know, but the clubs will always put the clubs first...

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Good points, I see I'm as bad as the CB are at ignoring fans grinning smiley

But Munster and Leinster don't seem to have problems with playing on Saturday evenings. I guess a lot of that has to do with larger populations, but it's still not ideal.

Ulster play Fridays, and from talking to some Ulster fans they love their Friday nights. Go figure. But I guess they're all very close to Ravenhill and aren't aware of others missing out. While Ulster can easily command 10,000 at a game they don't need to worry too much about attracting fans.

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S_P, you're probably right about Ulster. I'm probably trying to use logic in an irrational situation. Surely of the three Ulster should be the most threatened by Connacht. A more equally funded Connacht could very likely achieve the 3 or so more victories that would see them finish ahead of Ulster in the ML table.

Leinster and Munster on the other hand really have little to fear from Connacht. Do they really believe Connacht could threaten their access to players and seriously encroach on their supporter base? If so they probably should have their business models reviewed. It would take 10-15 years of success for Connacht to make inroads on challenging them in any significant way.

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Rogue I'd say Munster are acutely aware of the benefits of having so many of the Irish team currently part of their squad, the PR/Marketing value is immense. They've had a fair bit of success and have reaped rich rewards financially of the back of that side (redevelopment of Thomond & Musgrave + Major foreign signings),

They also know that there's is an ageing squad and the pool of talent coming through is nowhere near as good, so any extra money that they can corral will be very welcome. They have no problem producing forwards but just don't produce the right calibre or quantity and especially backs to sustain their current success.

When the current squad breaks up (they'll soon lose Hayes, Quinlan, Horan for starters) they are likely to have to invest heavily in recruiting outside the province if the want to stay serious contenders. Leinster production line is a lot more fluid and they produce a lot of high calibre backs and forwards so will be less troubled I feel as their current team begins to be replaced...

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