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London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
By Mark W-J
February 18 2010
Round 21 of the Championship season sees London Welsh face arguably their biggest challenge to date – on the pitch, at least. Leaders Bristol have won 11 games in a row, gathering eight try bonuses in the process, and regained top spot from Exeter on New Year’s Day courtesy of the Chiefs’ defeat at ODP. Yet so far, all of our eight games with the other top six sides have resulted in home wins.


Although the Courage Leagues began in the 1987-88 season, for many people – led by Sky Sports – the rebranding of The Premiership ten years later marks the start of the record books.  At the end of that season, while Newcastle Falcons finished top of the pile at the first time of asking, Bristol – with a squad featuring the likes of Jim Brownrigg, Paul Burke, Chad Eagle, Paul Hull, Robert Jones, Josh Lewsey, and Kevin Maggs - suffered the ignominy of relegation for the first time.  Twelve months later they returned to the top flight as champions, and but for the lottery of the play-offs they would be considered favourites to do so again this year.  Indeed, since the inception of the Premiership in 1998 only three seasons have passed in which the relegated team (aka the Premiership’s 13th team) has not subsequently finished top of this league - and one of those was the Bristol team relegated in 2003 who returned two years later.

 

The aforementioned Paul Hull is approaching his first anniversary as Head Coach, having replaced former England scrum-half Richard Hill last February.  Hill had been in the role for almost six years, joining after their last relegation, and was responsible for promoting a number of National One players - such as Shaun Perry, Dan Ward-Smith and Lee Robinson - to the Premiership and even international honours.  On his first visit to ODP in November 2003 Hill’s team featured a young Paul Hodgson at scrum-half, with Richard Martin-Redman, Greg Nicholls and Duncan Hayward all appearing in their 23-10 defeat.

 

Full-back Hull was a Bristol stalwart, making nearly 300 appearances for the club between 1987 and 1999, over half of them in league matches.  Having won England A honours as a 21 year-old in 1989 he eventually gained four full caps, including both Tests in South Africa in 1994.  His place in the 1995 World Cup squad looked assured, but he was injured before the autumn internationals and returned to the fringes of the national squad; he was never to be capped again.  Hull’s playing career was ended by an Achilles injury in 1999, and he turned to coaching, first managing the successful Bristol Academy before becoming Assistant Coach at London Irish in 2003, and returning to the Memorial Stadium as assistant to Richard Hill two years later.  He was appointed Assistant Coach of England Saxons in January 2009, but stepped-down earlier this season to concentrate on getting Bristol back into the Premiership.

 

In their march to the top of the table, Bristol have scored more tries than any other team (75 in 19 games) while conceding the fewest (26).  While their attacking record of 535 points is not quite as good as Bedford or Exeter (536 and 601 respectively, although both have played one more match), they are the only team to have conceded fewer than 300 points.  With an average of 16.1 points conceded per game, Welsh are second only to Bristol (15.6) in the defensive charts – since our 28-23 defeat at the Mem on the opening weekend, only Bedford have scored more points against Welsh, in their 30-23 victory on Boxing Day, and only three opposition tries have been registered at ODP in the three home games played since then.

 

Two of the league’s top try-scorers could come face-to-face on Saturday, with wingers Errie Claassens and Dan Norton among the four players on 11 touchdowns apiece for the season.  Norton scored four times for Moseley in our final league game at Esher last season – he scored 19 tries in 32 appearances for the Midlanders over two seasons on-loan from Gloucester before joining Bristol in the summer.  Having collected 70% of their points from tries, it seems that goal-kicking has been an issue for Bris, yet fly-half Adrian Jarvis is currently fifth on the points-scoring chart with 152.  Only Exeter’s Gareth Steenson has landed more conversions, but he has missed only nine of his 48 shots compared to Jarvis’ 37 successes from 68 attempts.  Perhaps an indication of the team’s attacking instincts is given by the fact that Jarvis has, conversely, scored 26 penalties from 32 efforts, suggesting that they only opt for the three points when the easy opportunity is presented.

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London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: The Dragons\\\' Den (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2010 09:08

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Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2010 09:42

Team selections should be interesting. Do we rest a few players, especially those carrying slight injuries, given that a win against Ulster will ensure we win our B&I Cup group?

Bristol must mainly be focussed on the play-offs at this stage. Failure to win promotion could be a disaster for them and might even cause major financial problems.

Whatever our views on the format of the Cup and Championship it is certainly keeping the season interesting!

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2010 10:00

From this weeks Richmond and Twickenham Times:

Wilson targets Bristol scalp
10:54am Wednesday 17th February 2010

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Danny Wilson admits London Welsh will be looking to lay down a marker when they host Championship table-toppers Bristol this weekend.

The third-placed Dragons will enter the clash with the title favourites in the midst of a six-game unbeaten run, including last weekend’s 26-13 defeat of Bedford in the British & Irish Cup.

And with the promotion play-offs just a month away, Wilson is eager to use the weekend tussle as a reference point.

He said: “We need to prove to ourselves that we can beat Bristol as we may obviously end in the same play-off pool as them.

“Naturally we would prefer to finish third in the table as that will give us a better draw, but I do not think it will make an enormous difference.

“Our priority now is to manage the players for the play-offs, so Bristol will be a chance to give players some game time and build momentum.”

Despite the cup taking a back seat, Saturday’s win sees the Exiles remain top of Pool C and maintained their unbeaten start to the competition.

Paul Sampson (two), Errie Claassens and Tom Brown grabbed the Welsh tries as they put Bedford to the sword.

And Wilson reckons the victory highlighted the strength in depth being generated at Old Deer Park.

He added: “We put out a strong team in that game as it is all part of making progress.

“Of course we are desperate for a home win over Bristol and if you come off the back of a game in which you lose or do not perform you are not giving yourself the best chance.

“We wanted to play a reasonably strong line-up and some players put their hands up.

“The players are fresh and we will go into this final stretch in a really good position.”

London Welsh’s next three matches: Feb 20 Bristol (h), 26 Ulster (BC, a), Mar 6 Llanelli (BC, h)

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2010 11:29

Quote:
nld
Team selections should be interesting. Do we rest a few players, especially those carrying slight injuries, given that a win against Ulster will ensure we win our B&I Cup group?

Sorry Nigel - I don't get this - Why should we give a fig about this B&I Cup?. It doesn't qualify us for anything, you get nothing for winning it and it actually costs us money we haven't got. The RFU have totally failed to market it (as they have with the championship). I see no reason at all for competing in it. It can only cost us on and off the field.

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2010 13:02

On that basis isn't the Championship now equally pointless for us? We cannot be promoted and there is no prize money on offer.

The fact is that the players and coaches will be going out to win every game, whether it be for pride, to boost their CVs or both. Regardless of their loyalty I can't see the players losing a match just to save the club a few £s.

A SF home draw against Leinster, Munster or Newport could bring in as much revenue as a play-off match with Bris or Ex but only if we bother to market it properly.

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: 15 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2010 14:12

Why can't we be promoted? Is it because we don't have a ground ready by a certain date and date has now expired?
Thanks,
15.

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2010 14:21

Those wanting to be promoted if they won the play-offs had to submit an application by (I think) late January stating how they would meet the GP criteria. Our mgt decided not to submit an application this time.



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Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2010 15:07

Quote:
nld
On that basis isn't the Championship now equally pointless for us? We cannot be promoted and there is no prize money on offer.
The fact is that the players and coaches will be going out to win every game, whether it be for pride, to boost their CVs or both. Regardless of their loyalty I can't see the players losing a match just to save the club a few £s.

A SF home draw against Leinster, Munster or Newport could bring in as much revenue as a play-off match with Bris or Ex but only if we bother to market it properly.
That's strictly true about the Championship except that we have to play in a league or we'd be without status,down to playing a few friendlies now again and without any RFU grant. I'd hope that the players and staff for the sake of their own pride try to win every game, but we know that some cup games in the not too distant past were taken lightly. Remain to be convinced about possible semi final takings. Can't see many away fans attending but the proof of the pudding etc. As you say marketing is the key - but the RFU haven't exactly helped anybody's cause in that respect have they?

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2010 16:10

To me the Cup does hold slightly more interest than the play-off stages of the league but admit that I might (as usual!) be in the minority. Competitive games against two Welsh clubs in the pool stages plus Ulster. The SFs are shaping up to give a good chance of meeting another non-Championship club if we progress that far. The play-offs give us another pair of matches against sides that we have played at least twice already this season.

Clubs are complaining about the lack of funding for both the Cup and the Championship but, as far as I am aware, it is no less than the amount promised when they signed up to the new format in the middle of last season.

The lack of marketing by the RFU is an issue and it is very frustrating when even the lowest level of football get mentioned on the radio & TV but finding the results from the second tier of our sport can be a challenge.

Clubs also need to take on the responsibility for promotion. 3rd v 1st at ODP this Saturday - our biggest home game of the season so far - yet there isn't much publicity of it.

Why haven't the Championship clubs got their own collective website with news, fixtures and so on? It wouldn't be very expensive for them to get one up and running.

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: Exeforever (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2010 16:55

[quote adge1][quote nld] Remain to be convinced about possible semi final takings. Can't see many away fans attending but the proof of the pudding etc.[/quote]

If you end up with an LW v Exe semi in the league play offs I think you'd see possibly a thousand or so coming up from Exe. Could be a useful pay day irrespective of the result. I suspect that would be a lot more than you'd get from a cup sf.

Best of luck against Bristol, it would be good to see them lose another game just to make them think.

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2010 17:31

Oh don't doubt that at all Exe, sure they'll trek up from Devon for a league play off. I was referring to the cup semi finals (Leinster, Munster, Newport etc) where I don't think many would bother to make the journey to ODP.
Nld's point about marketing or the lack of it is valid. And although clubs knew what they were signing up for and how much they were going to get out of it, they were also promised sponsorship, extensive Tv coverage etc That just hasn't happened. And there was no point in setting up a site for the Championship when a sponsor would simply come in and set their own up. It's all been a pig's breakfast really.

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 19/02/2010 14:13

From Bristol official site:

Bristol Rugby

Luke Arscott; Lee Robinson, Luke Eves, Junior Fatialofa, Tom Arscott, Adrian Jarvis, Jason Spice (C); Mark Irish, Ross Johnston, Darren Crompton, Nathan Budgett, Roy Winters, Iain Grieve, Redford Pennycook, James Phillips

David Blaney, Wayne Thompson, Darren Barry, James Merriman, Robbie Shaw, Sam Giddens, Jack Adams

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: David Barrett (IP Logged)
Date: 19/02/2010 17:01

"From the Official LWRFC Website"

London Welsh have chosen a strong starting line up for this weekend's game against Top of the Table Bristol.
Charlie Gower partners Paul Mackey in the centre and Rob Lewis and Gordon Ross play at half back.
Aled Thomas retains the full back position with Paul Sampson and Errie Claassens on the wings.

Dorian Williams gets the nod in the front row with Chris Whitehead and Lorne Ward. Lee Beach starts at No 8 and Tom Brown is named on the bench along with Dan George, Liam Davies and Nathan Bonner-Evans.

The full team is:

15: Aled Thomas
14: Paul Sampson
13: Paul Mackey
12: Charlie Gower
11: Errie Claassens
10: Gordon Ross
9: Rob lewis
8: Lee Beach
7: Michael Hills
6: Jonathan Mills (Captain)
5: Mike Powell
4: Matt Corker
3: Lorne Ward
2: Chris Whitehead
1: Dorian Williams

Repalcements:
16: Michael Holford
17: Dan George
18: Nathan Bonner-Evans
19: Tom Brown
20: Liam Davies
21: Neil Starling
22: Dominic Shabbo

Kick off is at 2.00pm



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Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2010 14:04

dg to Briz

0-3

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2010 14:08

3-3 Thomas penalty

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2010 14:14

Thomas missed a penalty

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2010 14:18

3-6

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2010 14:30

Briztry

3-13 Jarvis

lots of ping-pong

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2010 14:33

another, the hooker

3-20

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: welsh fan (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2010 15:05

whats the score please

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2010 15:13

3-28

sorry, keep losing signal

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2010 15:17

errors and the ref are killing us

(btw, I hate criticising refs but I knew we wouldn't win when I saw his name)

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2010 15:26

yc to Briz 7

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: welsh fan (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2010 15:39

Thanks dottigirl for updates

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2010 15:39

mostly Welsh for whole of 2nd half, we're just not converting to points

still 3-28

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2010 15:40

3-28 FT

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: welsh fan (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2010 15:41

Thanks for updates, were we that bad?

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: londonbound (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2010 17:06

Seams like there is some work for the team and the manaagement over the next 6 days. if this was a targetted game the management need to do better! This is the business end and they have been found wanting!
All the previous postings are for naught if they can't compete. Discuss!

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: David Barrett (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2010 18:08

The ref was poor but poor for both sides.

As for LW they just did not perform in the important areas of the pitch against a well organized Bristol defense.
Having seen Exeter - who we did beat at ODP and now Bristol unless there is a major upset I really can't see anyone up setting the form book.

So perhaps it is all going to the Premiership and RFU "plan" with Bristol or Exeter winning the Championship final and then the runner up will be invited to join the Premiership and the door at long last can be closed.

What ever happens I hope for sake of many clubs in the Championship the RFU look at the current structure and make some decisions about next season. Without increased funding the current structure does not make any sense - Will the RFU look at it _ I doubt it!!!!!



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Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: No1supporter (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2010 08:37

I thought our backs really let us down on sat, ALed Thomas must be dropped for this weekends game, 3 balls kicked out on the full at this level is unacceptable. Charlie Gower was also very poor, maybe his heart isn't in it, can't understand why he wasn't taken off.

Thought our forwrds stepped up and did their best to match Bris upfront, just so frustrating our backs couldn't put the phases together.

Onwards and upwards for next week, lesson learnt!

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2010 09:32

And you're the No1 supporter? What must the rest be like?

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 24/02/2010 12:15

Richmond and Twickenham Times - Wed 24 Feb.

Dragons boss vows to learn lessons
10:46am Wednesday 24th February 2010

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Danny Wilson insists that London Welsh will be able to move on from last weekend’s thumping by Bristol when they head into the Championship play-offs next month.

The Dragons were out-thought and out-fought by the league leaders on Saturday, crashing to a 28-3 defeat in front of the largest crowd of the season at Old Deer Park, 2,150.

And with Bristol likely to be an obstacle again when the Exiles head into the promotion mix in March, Wilson has vowed to take heed.

He said: “We will learn the lessons from that game when we head into the play-offs, I am sure about that.

“We didn’t do what we said we would do and it was very frustrating that we had a game plan but did not execute it.

“We were off pattern and we did not play the style of rugby we are good at.”

Aled Thomas’ penalty was all Welsh had to show for their efforts in a game that was lost by half-time with Bristol having racked up a 23-3 lead.

And Wilson accepted the West Country giants are far too good a side to give a head start.

He added: “We made far too many errors and as we were not holding onto the ball for long enough, Bristol were getting a lot of ‘start-again’ ball.

“When the pressure was on we panicked and tried to force the game, rather than stick to the shape and pattern we have worked at.

“They are too good a side to get as much ball as we gave them - sides like Bristol will punish you for that, and they did.”

The Dragons have just one league game remaining, at Cornish Pirates, but first up is a Friday night trip to Ulster for their fourth match in the British & Irish Cup.

London Welsh’s next three matches: Feb 26 Ulster (a), Mar 6 Llanelli (h), 13 Cornish Pirates (a)

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: Ellie Crisell (IP Logged)
Date: 24/02/2010 12:50

Quote:
No1supporter
I thought our backs really let us down on sat, ALed Thomas must be dropped for this weekends game, 3 balls kicked out on the full at this level is unacceptable. Charlie Gower was also very poor, maybe his heart isn't in it, can't understand why he wasn't taken off.
Thought our forwrds stepped up and did their best to match Bris upfront, just so frustrating our backs couldn't put the phases together.

Onwards and upwards for next week, lesson learnt!

Maybe we should've asked the referee for some nice decisions, as Jason Spice spent the whole match doing.

Re: London Welsh v Bristol - Match Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 25/02/2010 00:36

You're right, we still need to learn to play the ref. Or at least understand what will and won't be tolerated and adapt from that straightaway rather than relying on someone pointing things out at half time.

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