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Ulster v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
By Mark W-J
February 25 2010
The pivotal game in Pool C of the British & Irish Cup takes place at Ravenhill on Friday night. Ulster Ravens can take control of the pool with one round of fixtures remaining with a home win, but a victory for the visitors would see London Welsh through as the first qualifiers for the knockout stages. Both sides are unbeaten so far, but Welsh are the only team to record the maximum 15 points.

 

Ulster were, of course, the first Irish team – and therefore the first Celtic side – to win the Heineken Cup when they beat Colomiers 21-6 at Lansdowne Road in January 1999.  Many cynics pointed out that Ulster’s success was due in no small part to the absence of the English clubs who – with the Welsh ‘rebel’ sides, Cardiff and Swansea – had boycotted the competition.  But that simplistic view conveniently ignores that fact that Ulster beat Toulouse twice (once in the pool stages and then in the quarter-finals) before disposing of Stade Français – the reigning French champions - in the semi-final after the Parisians had thrashed Pontypridd 71-14 in the last eight.

 

The Irish side qualified for the quarter-finals as group winners, winning their last four matches after opening with a 38-38 draw at home to Edinburgh and a 39-3 drubbing in Toulouse.  But back-to-back wins over Ebbw Vale (61-28 away and 43-18 at home) either side of a 29-24 victory in the return with the French side saw them enter the final round of fixtures knowing that they had to avoid defeat in Edinburgh to qualify for the last eight.  They sneaked though, 23-21, while Toulouse, incredibly, were beaten 19-11 at Eugene Cross Park, and the two sides were drawn together again at Ravenhill in the quarter finals.  The home side won narrowly, 15-13, and shocked favourites Stade Français 33-27 in the last four.  The final was no thriller, but few in the then record crowd of 49,000 seemed to care, as full-back Simon Mason kicked six penalties from six attempts, and skipper David Humphreys added a drop-goal to subdue Colomiers into submission.  Meanwhile, as Humphreys’ side were writing their names in the history books, Welsh were struggling to overturn a three point half-time deficit to beat Newbury 14-10 in a friendly at Monks Lane, Craig Raymond converting a Graeme Peacock score – his 28th and last for the club - and a penalty try.

The Irish sides have taken the British & Irish Cup pretty seriously, possibly because of the lack of ‘A’ team fixtures available to them.  Against Exeter two weeks ago, for example, Leinster’s starting line-up featured Girvan Dempsey (82 caps) and Malcolm O’Kelly (92 caps) as well as Australia ‘A’ cap Shaun Berne (50 league starts for Bath) and prop Mike Ross, who made over 60 Premiership appearances for Harlequins.  Conversely, the Chiefs’ XV that afternoon have averaged only five Championship starts apiece – no question where their priorities lie this season.

Between them Ulster, Munster and Leinster have an aggregate return of eight wins and a draw from the three rounds played so far, with Ulster’s 21-21 draw at Parc y Scarlets two weeks ago being the only stain on the record.  Llanelli led 14-6 at half-time, and the first 32 minutes of the second half were scoreless before replacement scrum-half Paul Marshall crossed for the visitors’ first try.  He was followed across the whitewash two minutes later by Fijian winger Timoci Nagusa, with Ian Humphreys – David’s younger brother – adding the conversion.  He also landed a penalty with barely 60 seconds left on the clock, increasing the Ulster lead to seven, before blindside Aaron Shingler scored the third try of a breathless eight minute spell, and fly-half Dan Newton secured the draw.

While Danny Wilson’s comments prior to the Bedford match suggested that Welsh are not overly concerned with qualifying for the last four, Ulster’s squad for Friday suggests that they fully intend the make-up for their failings in Llanelli.  Loosehead Justin Fitzpatrick played in that Heineken Cup final 11 years ago, while fellow prop BJ Botha has 18 caps for South Africa and is rumoured to be negotiating an early release from his contract with a view to making the Springbok squad for next year’s World Cup.  In addition, hooker Andy Kyriacou has had spells in the Guinness Premiership with Leeds and Saracens, and in the autumn he added Ireland ‘A’ honours to his England U21 Grand Slam of 2004.  In the backs, New Zealand-born scrum-half Isaac Boss has six caps for his adopted country; Ian Humphreys scored 172 points in 27 appearances for Leicester before returning home to replace his retiring brother; while centres Ian Whitten and Darren Cave formed a midfield partnership for Ireland in the Test match against Canada last summer.

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Ulster v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: The Dragons\\\' Den (IP Logged)
Date: 25/02/2010 10:20

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Re: Ulster v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: David Barrett (IP Logged)
Date: 25/02/2010 23:08

According to BBC TV teletext Ulster have a very strong squad for this game with 13 players having played for Ulster in the Heineken Cup.

Re: Ulster v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 26/02/2010 13:23

London Welsh
15: Ed Lewis-Pratt
14: Paul Sampson
13: Neil Starling
12: Simon Whatling
11: Errie Claassens
10: Gordon Ross
9: Ben Stevenson
1: Dorian Williams
2: Gavin O'Meara
3: Michael Holford
4: Matt Corker
5: Mike Powell
6: Nathan Bonner-Evans (captain)
7: Michael Hills
8: Tom Brown
Replacements; Chris Whitehead, Lorne Ward, Lee Beach, Jonathan Mills, Rob Lewis, Paul Mackey, Dominic Shabbo

Ulster
15: Paul Marshall
14: Niall O’Connor
13: Timoci Nagusa
12: Ian Whitten
11: Michael Allen
10: Tommy Seymour
9: Mark McCrea
1: Tom Court
2: Nigel Brady (captain)
3: Bryan Young
4: Neil McComb
5: Ryan Caldwell
6: Thomas Anderson
7: Willie Faloon
8: Robbie Diack
Replacements; Andy Kyriacou, Alan Whitten, Ed O’Donoghue, David Pollock, Cillian Willis, Ian Humphreys, Darren Cave

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John Player Cup Finalists 1985
Courage Five South Champions 1995



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010:02:26:13:23:44 by Mark W-J.

Re: Ulster v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 26/02/2010 13:51

Apparently there's no 'A' about it, that's Ulster.

Hope the boys can cope.

Score updates appreciated, thanks. I'll be busy moving so may not catch much of any of the games this weekend. yawning smiley(

Re: Ulster v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 26/02/2010 19:45

2 mins gone and 10 - 0 down.

Updates as and when I get phone calls from Belfast!

Re: Ulster v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 26/02/2010 20:18

half time, 16 - 11 down. Will try and get scorers later.

Re: Ulster v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 26/02/2010 20:55

Thanks, NLD. Any more news?

Re: Ulster v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 26/02/2010 21:13

Final score - Ulster 21 LW 17. Bonus point, still top?

Don't know who scored for us.

Re: Ulster v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: David Barrett (IP Logged)
Date: 26/02/2010 21:22

Thats is a really great result against a very very strong Ulster side WELL DONE

Re: Ulster v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: NTF0 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/02/2010 21:29

Congratulations and well done to everyone everyone in the London Welsh team (Sm100)

Re: Ulster v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: David Barrett (IP Logged)
Date: 26/02/2010 21:50

Starling try 5pts
Ed Lewis Pratt 2 pens 6pts
Gordon Ross 2 pens 6pts

Re: Ulster v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2010 06:43

Well done, not a bad score. Sets us up well for the Llanelli game.

Did we escape intact? Any injuries?

Re: Ulster v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2010 08:41

Not sure if we're still top or not. We're level on points with Ulster, but don't know if the decisive factor will be;
- points difference (we're currently about six points better off)
- the head-to-head between the two sides (advatage Ulster, although without home and away fixtures it may be an unfair advantage) or
- count-back on who has more wins or fewer defeats (again, Ulster unbeaten).

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John Player Cup Finalists 1985
Courage Five South Champions 1995



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010:02:27:08:42:32 by Mark W-J.

Re: Ulster v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2010 09:02

Was sitting 'somewhere quiet' wondering the same thing. The Moseley programme from the 1st round of the cup contained the regs. In event of a tie it is the winner of the match between the two teams that is awarded top place.

So we need a 5 point win against Llanelli and then wait until 12 March to see if Aberavon can deny Ulster a bonus point win.

Full match report on the Ulster website, sounds like dreadful conditions.

Well done to Neil Starling on scoring the try, if only he had done that at a home game I would be 4 pints better off. If you are feeling guilty Neil then I will be in the marquee after the Llanelli game.....!

Re: Ulster v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2010 09:35


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