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Speculation on the new DOR ...

Bye Bye!
By Andy Brown May 23 2008
With no inkling of what the thinking is behind the closed doors at Headingley, I decided to embark on a journey of total speculation about the incoming DoR. Who are the candidates? What is the likelihood of each candidate landing the job? I present here for your delectation, a list of the potential men to take Leeds to a future of rugby union dominance in England...

Daryl Powell
1. Daryl Powell

Whether he is rated as a coach by the fans is of no consequence, what matters is whether he's rated as a coach by players and potential players. Unfortunately, we have no information here, and can only speculate. I place him as favourite for the job, simply because he's there already, knows the setup, the current group of players and will have been involved in the incoming player selection. He has had experience of the top job in Rugby League, which is, of course, his first love, and indeed knows the pressure that he can expect from a demanding employer such as Gary Hetherington.
Evens

Ben Ryan
2. Ben Ryan

Former Newbury head coach and currently overseeing the England Sevens squad, where Tom Biggs has recently been selected for the Twickenham Sevens at the weekend (coincidence?). Widely regarded in England as a top coach, and no doubt has the respect of the pro-rugby community, appointing Ben Ryan would be a signal that Leeds means business. The downside is that he has no experience of Premiership rugby management, and this could prove crucial.
4-1

Lyn Jones
3. Lyn Jones

Recently let go by the Ospreys under slightly mystifying circumstances, there's no doubt about the man's coaching pedigree, having built the Ospreys squad since their inception. Another one that would command the respect of the players, and the first of many Welshmen on this list. However, are Leeds big enough in ambition for him? Come to that, is he a big enough name for Leeds?
20-1

Jon Callard
4. Jon Callard

The odds on Callard's return to Headingley have, in my view, receded somewhat in his call-up to act as kicking and attacking coach to the England squad for the Summer tour to New Zealand. The man has pedigree and is a favourite with many Leeds fans, who cite that his arrival at Headingley coincided with the period of history in which Leeds played their best attacking rugby. Experience (good and bad) of the Premiership, and a top name to attract class players to the club. One to watch.
25-1

Neil Back
5. Neil Back

Neil Back is increasingly being mentioned on the message board, with, to my knowledge, not much evidence to back it. It is rumoured he's looking for a head role and would be a massively high profile appointment if he could be persuaded to make the move from the East Midlands. Downsides are two-fold: no experience of coaching at the top level, although that is somewhat mitigated by his extensive experience on the playing side. The second downside is that he is a Tiger, and if they were to come calling for him, would anyone seriously doubt he'd be off back down the M1?
100-1

Additional 26/06/2008: It's looking increasingly likely that Backy is now our man. Those 100-1 odds look very generous! However there is a correction to be made in the above section: Back has plenty of coaching experience at the top level (he's Leicester's defence coach for 2007/8), but not as a DoR.

Lyn Howells
6. Lyn Howells

The second Welshman in my list, Lyn has just settled into the role at Doncaster after Clive Griffiths' swift exit to Worcester at the beginning of last season. Donny would not be pleased to lose another DoR so quickly, and the inference of the press suggests that Howells is in it for the longer term with Donny. His experience with Borders being pulled from under his feet can't have been a happy one, and it is likely he'll want to put some roots down at a club he thinks can go places.
100-1

And the rest …

7. Andre Bester

Rumoured already to have turned the job down (without it having been offered!), Andre Bester was at one stage the favourite, but now moves down to seventh in the list. A reputation for "my way or the highway" coaching, he will at least know some of the imcumbent players in Leeds (Bedford, Lund, Hopcroft, Fourie etc) after his successful spell with Rotherham. Not a favourite of some of the regular posters on TykesRugby, who would prefer to see a backs-oriented coach come in.
200-1

8. Phil Davies

Last Welshman on the list, and one we all know well. Phil Davies will always be a part of the Leeds heritage, having brought the club up from literally nowhere to the Premiership during his previous tenure. However a disasterous final season saw him move to Scarlets, but he is now out of work again. Although apparently able to attract top quality players, his man management skills has come into question. A backward step.
250-1

9. Eddie O'Sullivan

Another someone out of a job at the moment, although strongly rumoured, and therefore favourite, to take over the vacant job at Thomand park. Moving to England and coaching in the Premiership will be something completely outside his experience, and our Irish correspondents have expressed their fervent views about his abilities for the national team. A non-starter.
500-1

10. Jake White

World cup winner. Widely regarded as one of the best coaches in the world. Was hotly tipped for the England job before Johnno got it, and press innuendo suggested it was the only job he actively wanted. He is definitely not in a hurry to sign up anywhere else, and I think if he were to come to Leeds, we really would have scored a major coup - somewhat akin to Justin Marshall's signing in 2006/7. It just ain't gonna happen!
2000-1

11. The Carnegie Challenger

By far the most likely option. This clown has regularly been boo-ed and castigated by the crowd at Headingley. With little or no knowledge of how fans think never mind how players do, and with the motivational skills of a dead badger, the Challenger could be the thing that kills the club off completely.
Dead Cert!

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23 May, 2008 15:48 Report
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Oh dear - having read the odds on the above candidates I am now depressed....unless Jon Callard & Neil Back team up to coach the 'Negies.

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At 250/1 Phil Davies looks a very good bet.

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Odds are mine own by the way - nothing scientific about it.

Odds can go up as well as down. No book is being run by me. Your house is at risk ... etc etc

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23 May, 2008 15:54 Report
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I was contemplating a punt at Neil Back.

Not a bet or anything, just a well placed kick..

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23 May, 2008 15:57 Report
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Good article, Andy.

Wonder if there may be one or two late starters.

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23 May, 2008 16:05 Report
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Re: Speculation on the new DOR ...
Powell, Davies or Betser anyone else would surprise me.

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23 May, 2008 16:06 Report
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Odds on Phils return should be evens money !!!!

Daryl powell hugely respected and liked by the players.

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23 May, 2008 16:08 Report
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Re: Speculation on the new DOR ...
Could be both those CM, if I had any money that's where I'd put it.

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I honestly can't see them going with PD. Perhaps 250-1 is a bit generous, but he's not in the top five for me...

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23 May, 2008 16:17 Report
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Well if PD was staying down here I'm sure I would have heard rumours by now, I can't contact him as he's up North on business. Just kidding(Sm13)

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23 May, 2008 16:44 Report
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I had conversation with DP in December he said if we get relegated he would probably look at going back to college to do something else.

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I do know of a level 3 coach who is looking for employment around September time......No one has mentioned his name yet...not on this board anyway.

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23 May, 2008 17:32 Report
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I still think the club needs to making an announcement sooner rather than later when PD left Lanny was announced quite soon.

This could potentially back fire on the club as players we are looking to sign may sign elsewhere as they will want re-assurances on what the club is doing. I know its still only May but in around 5-6 weeks it will be the beginning of pre season and the new man will need set out his vision for the club.

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23 May, 2008 18:28 Report
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I totally agree with Loosey on that one.

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23 May, 2008 18:37 Report
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Re: Speculation on the new DOR ...
Andy,

Without being too pedantic, you'd never make a bookie. Your odds don't add up to 1.......

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Olliek, that was before Lanny has gone to greener pastures, I wonder whether his opinions have changed. I agree with Andy, favorite with me as well. Personally would like Lyn Jones but you cant have everything.

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23 May, 2008 19:04 Report
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Re: Speculation on the new DOR ...
The issues are far grater at this time. WHat is it 5 weeks since the anouncment that we would have more names for players coming? They said we would hear within two weeks?
We still look like 14 players gone 1 dor gone and only 2 coming in. I have just receved my
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does that mean there will be 5 of us in the crowd then??? you'd think they would want to get me in ANY bar never mind charge for the privilidge?

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Without being too pedantic, you'd never make a bookie. Your odds don't add up to 1.......

1. Never said it was anything other than a "gut feel".
2. Why should they add up to one? This wasn't a complete list.... winking smiley

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23 May, 2008 20:12 Report
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I think Andre Bester



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23 May, 2008 20:14 Report
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Mike Gray - I'm telling you!

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23 May, 2008 20:18 Report
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Re: Speculation on the new DOR ...
Out of your top 3 Andy I would have to go for Lyn Jones he is an undoubted coach and could bring some names up here too but we shall see
Like the idea of the Challenger though



Some say he has a Tykes flag with team signatures on.
Others say that he's doing the same to the Carnegie flag,
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Good choice LCSF but I think he's looking for something abroad, but who knows, he took Neath from Division 1 and turned them into the Ospreys, so he has form.

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He sertainly does have form and who knows he could bring Ryan Jones up here too
BUT somehow i think we'll end up with Powell though



Some say he has a Tykes flag with team signatures on.
Others say that he's doing the same to the Carnegie flag,
All we know is that he's called Leeds carnegie signed flag.
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Could you imagine if we got Eddie O' Sullivan, ok he hasent had any coaching experiance in england but he has in international and i would love him to come here, ok he probably doesent know were Leeds is in the world and probably never come here but you can hope, i like the sound of Neil Black, Lyn jones & Ben Ryan this is going to be very intersting to see who we get......(Sm105)

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Mike Gray - I'm telling you!

I can't see the club appointing somebody with so little knowledge if the club is serious about mounting a challenge for Nat1, otherwise there will far less season tickets sold than the last time were in Nat1 and considering it was only 300 that will be saying something, I would also say the club would struggle to attract 4 figure crowds.

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23 May, 2008 23:15 Report
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Re: Speculation on the new DOR ...
This will be a VERY BIG DECISION for the board to get right and show both the supporters and the rugby world how committed Leeds Rugby is to Rugby Union. If they get it wrong they will have to pacify both supporters.....

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Re: Speculation on the new DOR ...
Loosehead - maybe you're assuming that Director of Rugby equates to Head Coach. It doesn't have to.

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Re: Speculation on the new DOR ...
Timofe- That is the most sensible post so far. Director of rugby could be as far away from head coach as you liked!
I listen to the hysteria concerning Johnson as england manager and how he will cope with no prior experience and i think..... He has played under the best COACHES in the world. If any body can appoint a COACH its him. HE wont necessarily do it himself, In fact i bet HE won't! Dean Richards doesnt COACH Harlequins and as dragon will say Richard Hill doesnt necessarily COACH Bristol, Paul Hull Does! Jim Malinder didnt COACH Northampton to the Div 1 Title he had held from Grayson et al along the way!

We could do alot worse than Mike Gray as DoR. He has experfience of the game and a VERY sensible head on his shoulders. Mark Evans of Quins and formerly Saracens springs to mind in this role!

The new Dor isn't a quick fix. It's not a "Lets fill the role before its too late" scenario!

The time needs to be taken to find somebody with the ATTITUDE not neccarily the reputation to bring people in. Coaches bring players in, Attitude brings players in, have faith in the fact the leeds spirit brings players/coaches/DoR's/Dancers/Challengers/South-standers (What ever manner of beast they are!) and whatever else we can muster! We have a good squad already for next year and our ticket takings were an improvent as well!

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Loosehead - maybe you're assuming that Director of Rugby equates to Head Coach. It doesn't have to.

It could be, and if its the case then perhaps a job re-title would not go amiss Director of Opps or something similar who will 'coach' us if he does not become DoR then they need to distance Director of Rugby to that of Head Coach

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24 May, 2008 11:17 Report
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Re: Speculation on the new DOR ...
One of our criticisms this year has been that SL had too much to do. If we have a DoR/Ops manager AND a set of coaches then the workload is spread out more. So who do you have as your "big name"? Coach or DoR?

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I agree with alot of these posts, but how about DOR being Powell (knows the sytems at Leeds, the players) and reinforce him with some new coaches with RU experiance, one to concentrate on the forwards and someone like Darren Edwards (who has got alot of experiance and knows the players) to focus on the backs. As mention on the thread, SL seemed to do too much.

But what do I know I support Leeds(Sm101)

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24 May, 2008 17:12 Report
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Re: Speculation on the new DOR ...
Mac - the problem with your suggestion is, in my mind, that DP was to blame for a lot of the team's failings last season & hence carries a lot of baggage going forward.

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joe Lydon??????

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24 May, 2008 21:51 Report
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Re: Speculation on the new DOR ...
Would be a good choice? but would need a strong forwards coach

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At the current time, I would be glad of any coach as long as they were RU qualified. Would prefer two or more RU coaches, one to definately to focus on the Backs.

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Re: Speculation on the new DOR ...
The news from Munster, Ulster and Ireland from over the weekend suggests that Garrett Fitzgerald, the Munster CEO is interviewing candidates for the their job over the next 7-10 days, with the main 3 candidates being Eddie, Mick Galwey and Michael Bradley (looks highly unlikely to be a "Foreign" Coach, as the IRFU are committed with Munster to keeping it Irish, if possible). I think that it's highly likely to be Eddie, as Fitgerald would be one of Eddie's strongest Allies from his days in charge of the National side - and possibly the main reason why Eddie managed to cling onto power for so long. As for Andre Bester, then i think that it's a Horse that's run it's course and has been withdrawn from the race to succeed Lancaster - if it was ever entered in the first place, as there hasn't been any confirmation in the media over here that he ever applied for the job of DoR at Leeds ( he was approached to become an Assistant Coach under Lancaster if the reports that made it into the media and onto here were correct). I have a strong feeling that the board at Leeds will take the same approach as what Munster and the IRFU have done and recruit from the current crop of coaches that have RFU Coaching qualifications and develop the grassroots of the game as well as the continued improvement of the first team at Headingley - and that means getting them back up at the first time of asking and to keep them there, but within the financial constraints of the club

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Dont upset me Catchy after such a great weekend. We dont want Eddie and thats a fact. As for Leeds they need a big name coach who ticks all the right boxes and it may well be a foreinger.

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26 May, 2008 16:00 Report
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Just had a very strange thought, and I have no doubt that I will be laughed at from pillar to post but .....wait for it.........wait...........what about Bentos for DOR. Knows the game inside out, inspirational motivator...its not that daft an idea is it.

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I don't think he is an option for DOR, he doesn't have enough experience for the post, but I am slightly surprised he does not have a bigger role within the club given the successful career he has had. It would be good to see him involved in the coaching set up in some way.

The longer the wait goes on for DOR the more I am thinking that Darryl Powell will get the job.

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One suggestion.........

Martin Haag, forwards coach credited with turning the Bristol pack into a force, currently helping out with the Bath Academy I believe and an old mate of Jon Callard's.

Realistic target, track record and a coach for the future all in one.

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Catchy - please put some paragraphs in your posts. I need to pause for breath when reading them. ( Went blue reading the one above)

8oris - good call, Callard & Haag!

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Please not Lyn Jones!

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