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Notes From Down Under 3: Preparing for the Tests
By "Fan of Rugby"
June 9 2009
Some of the older and more middle-class of our readership will remember Radio 4's long running programme, featuring a well respected journalist waxing lyrical about all aspects of the culture he was so readily immersed in. The late, great Alastair Cooke's Letter from America has nothing to fear from Fan of Rugby, who simply drones on about the Lions Tour again ...

Ahhhhh, the third article. After the pressure of backing up a first installment with the notoriously difficult second,  should the third be a 'Christmas special' a la Ricky Gervais's famed format? Well we haven't got till Christmas; things have to be said and more importantly fans have to appeased. What would FOR give for a little time off relaxing on his jollies, but no, work has to be done, and most notably also with the Lions.
 
Prior to the third game of the tour I think we all knew the side didn't look right. A winger at 12, a young maverick at 13, an out of form world class performer at 11. Now as the pretence for this tour was picking the in-form players, how have some snuck through the net? As with all sporting sides, they say they pick on form players. Shane Williams truely is world-class, however, he hasn't played well all season and unfortunatly for the Welsh wizard, things aren't quite working as they were on his last visit to the African continent.

I'd pick him all day long for the test side ......"why F.O.R?!?" you may ask. Pure and simply as we haven't selected anyone else who I think can cope and perform under the pressure of the first Test. Halfpenny is a talent, but for someone to come from playing semi-pro rugby to playing the Boks in one season is slightly worrying. Fitzgerald simply isn't good enough; neither is Monye who is England's 6th choice wing in my opinion. Monye can't kick, can't defend and is a glorified sprinter. Last season he couldn't get in the Quins side and then I saw him make his England debut, where I tell you no lie [ED: surely some mistake?], I have better basic skills than he.
 
Then I thought about who has actually played well on this tour and who has been effective. Roberts and Monye have to come in that bracket. This raises the question - are we going backwards in a game that is said to be progressing quicker than a steroid enhanced Usain Bolt? Have we now seen basic rugby skills given the hard shoulder to pace and pure brute power? Is that where we are heading? Is rugby at it's purest so simple? Or do we need slight of hands, audacious dummies and bullet passes? Sod it give it the guy who can run 100 meters in 10 seconds and see what happens. I for one would rather see a 'Geraghty' or 'Catt' play than a 'Habanna', because arent we just watching rugby league without such skills?
 
The Lions came through unscathed and more importantly still undefeated. I think some players have ruled themselves out of the Test side rather than anything else occuring. Selections at prop will be interesting as Mr Sheridan had a very good game. The second row of O'Connell and Hines or O'Connell and Wynn-Jones, with a  back-row of Croft, Heaslip, Williams. (a fit Rees would be an absolute shoe in, of that I have no doubt). A Welsh half-back pairing, followed up with Flutey, O'Driscoll, Williams, Bowe and Byrne should make the Test matches interesting. Combinations need to be picked from now on with test's very much on the horizon.
 
As for FOR, I will be here as ever for any questions you may have about rugby, life or 20-20 cricket. (it should be out-lawed). I appoint Dragon to answer anything you may need answering urgently, as the time difference doesn't allow me to be with you 24 hours a day. Just note his answers will be wrong, so try and hold out for when it goes dark in Blighty. As always stay safe, keep warm and love each other.
 
Regards
 
FOR xx
 
 

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9 Jun, 2009 19:46 Report
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Made me smile on a drab Wednesday morning, enjoyable read FOR, keep it up

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drab wednesday? where are you? the sun always shines in Leeds...
I liked the steroid enhanced Usain Bolt, not sure what he meens though!

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Drab Birmingham

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I don't want to answer questions on your behalf Fan, unlike you I know what I'm talking about.(Sm105)

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(Sm6)

Very enjoyable read FOR, keep 'em coming, although I'd prefer to trust dragon's wisdom over yours!

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made me vomit...rubbish as usual. Fitzgerald clearly is good enough because the selectors and coaching team think he is. As is KE.

Next time, Harry, we won't play by their rules. We'll invent our own!



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Freddy I think you might be starting to like me on the sly. Come on do a 'Merry' and 'Dragon', I'll turn you in the end. (Sm108)

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No...thought about it for about 2 seconds then I vomited again.

Next time, Harry, we won't play by their rules. We'll invent our own!

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Good read, FOR.

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Apart from thinking you are being a bit harsh on Monye - what about the try saving tackle in the England v Scotland game - a good read as usual. Interested in the comments about power over skill as I also believe rugby may be going that way, much to its detriment but what can you do.

If that makes you vomit Freddy you must have a very weak stomach - I wouldn't vote to go on a beer train anytime soon.

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Quite right Ian. I drink very little these days. Weak stomach, poor tolerance of alchohol, no money, call it what you will but its not beer that makes me vomit these days.

If you all think FORs articles are a good read ....what do you normally read for fun....just interested to know ?

I mean..the sports articles in the Times, Irish Times, rugby world, Emerald rugby etc are very enjoyable reads, well written by people with something to say in an inteligent way.

I rest my case.

Oh and I know whats coming next....WHY DONT YOU WRITE ONE THEN. Well I have never claimed that I can and I know I that I have nothing interesting to say.

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I know I that I have nothing interesting to say.

That is already proven not true!

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You have interesting things to say APB. Your match reports and the ones done by other posters are very good. I cant always get to away games so its nice to find out what actually happened from people who were there.

But these articles by FOR are just a vehicle for his egotistical opinionated outbursts.

Mind you ...if it takes the pressure off you to keep the board up and running over the summer then that is one positive aspect

Next time, Harry, we won't play by their rules. We'll invent our own!

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Freddy I read all and anything on rugby because I enjoy it so much and it's so easy because of the internet. Just because I can enjoy what FOR writes doesn't make me or most of this board a bad person.

Yes he's self opinionated but that's what makes most of us smile and laugh out loud at times but the one thing that shines through clearly is his love of the sport.

In fact when I consider all of the stuff that has been written about the current tour there are a couple of the so called serious correspondents that I have disagreed with more than FOR.

But on a more general point about the Lions, is it just me or are us average fans becoming more chauvinistic in our thinking e.g. me if they are English they must be better than the Welsh, Irish, Scots etc. I always got the feeling that with previous Lions Tours then the fans got behind them irrespective of nationality. Maybe this will change once the Tests start and we can no longer tout our favourite player for the test team.

However I suspect as soon as we lose a test the English fans will blame any available Irish, Welsh or Scotsman and every Irish, Welsh and Scots fan will blame any Englishman that is playing - so they had better pick at least one wearer of the red rose or you'll have no-one to moan at. Forgot about Edwards so you can blame him.

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I definately agree with you there about people being chauvanistic..and the strange thing is its not always intended. I honestly try to be open minded but at the moment the Irish boys have had a tremendous year or two so its their time now. Next season it can all so quickly change and maybe the english boys will start to move into the ascendancy. Cipriani might start to justify the lavish praise heaped upon on him, Tait will continue to develope etc

Things change so quickly in sport so its good if we can just praise where it is deserved and try to forget the other nationalistic stuff.

At the moment the Irish lads are in the limelight in a way that has never ever happened before. But it wont last...nothing does. After the first test if it goes wrong the heroes will be villans in some people eyes.

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You have interesting things to say APB

Kind of you, but why is my opinion any more valid than yours? I say what I do from the position I see things from. FOR does too, but with more caustic comment. Why do you feel you can't contribute? You and Catchy should (IMO) be major contributors to this site, if for no other reason (and there are lots BTW) than your irish perspective and to help take a less anglo approach.

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mm you have a point there. But I honestly wouldn't have a clue what people would be intersted in.

I suppose I could have done something about the semi at crocaigh or Edinburgh but I got the feeling that people were a bit fed up about me mentioning Munster in every other post. I realised I was being a prat and stopped doing it.

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Interesting point about chauvinism. As I don't subscribe to Sky I only pay special attention to matches broadcast on the BBC, so consequently don't tend to notice players from the other home nations other than England. What I love about the Lions is that it does give the opportunity to watch or listen to a 'Dream Team' in action, and to see players not normally viewed.

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Ian,

Re: Monye

That tackle he made against Scotland he made because of his pace. Now without his pace Scotland would have scored, but that was my original point..... he's a sprinter. He scored a cracker for the Saxons last year which somehow elevated him above Biggs. He scored it against a team being put to the sword. His rugby skills are very questionable, and even though pace is probably the most important asset you can possess, I feel if picked consistently at International level, he will be exposed.

Strettle offers sublime skills, Sackey a mixture of pace, power and skill, Ojo understands the game better and picks good lines, JSD is a different class (great shame about him), and Cueto is just a very good rugby player and has huge left boot. Now obviously I think they are all injured apart from Cueto. Monye will score you tries with his pace, but at what cost?

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I'd Love to write You an Article APB - I have always intended to do so for you at some stage, but just looked to make it a Leeds-slanted one in defference to the site that i'm posting - and made feel very welcome by most in posting, on.

The intention was to write something on my visit to see you in the Premiership the last time and unfortunately i had to cut the trip short due to family bereavement and never got to see you play and visit Headingley for a match (I visted on a weekday to have a look around the shop and found it as welcoming as a cold fish supper - which could be an aspect of an article, i suppose, for those out there in running the club ?)

I never seemed to get around to doing you a match report from Ravenhill or Galway and hopefully i can hget an opportunity in the future to do something for you that's un-biased and reflective on the game in hand ?. I have some things i could report on - but would have to reveal sources and that's not a good thing when they may well be in future potential employers ? !!

"Fan's" views seem to have settled down now from being personal attacks and rants on individuals, be they posters on here or players that he doesn't rate, into something bordering on constructive crticism - although you do get the feeling that he would have selected himself for both the Lions Tour and the England side all on the same day ? !!! - There's no truth in the rumour that he's kicked his girlfriend out and moved in with a signed, life-sized cut-out of himself !!!!

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