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Not good enough?

By Almo
July 1 2018

Should I stay or should I go?   If I stay there will be trouble,   If I go there will be double.....

Seemingly not a month goes by without the question of Yorkshire Carnegie being better off away from Headingley recurring. I am not sure if proponents of our departure are wanting away from Headingley itself, or want a clean break from our past management and association with Leeds Rugby; I imagine probably a bit of both. But what are the practicalities of Hexit?

Our new board of directors has made it clear that they are only interested in Premiership Rugby, hence have signed medium-term agreements with Leeds Rugby to continue the combined use of Emerald Headingley and the Kirkstall Training Ground. Their quoted reason is that Headingley is the only rugby ground in the county that meets Premiership standards*. I would also add that we operate a rfu-licensed Academy based on the facilities available at Kirkstall, therefore there is a further ongoing commitment to our current training ground. But assuming we can overcome these issues, what are the alternatives?

New-Build Ground

As a recently-retired civil engineer who spent the last ten years of my career in pricing construction works, this immediately seems an expensive exercise. The figures from the Cornish Pirates’ “Stadium for Cornwall”, confirm this:

To construct a ground holding 6000 spectators:- £14.3 million

Second-stage, to improve to Premiership standard, an additional £10 million (and likely to rise IMHO).

To get the first-stage under way, despite being in partnership with Truro Football Club and Truro & Penrith College, £6 million of public money is required, plus Pirates’ have to underwrite £300k/year for 10 years to cover the running costs. I wish Pirates success in their enterprise but fear that we would not qualify for any public funding if we made ourselves intentionally homeless.

New Build Training Facility

These are relatively cheap. I was involved in the pricing of a Premiership club new training facility (the project did not go ahead) and if we have access to an existing sports ground, a new all-weather pitch and training building would be circa £2-3 million.

Share an existing facility

I know of the following existing grounds in Yorkshire that appear to meet Premiership Rugby standards: Hillsborough (39k) Elland Road (39k) Riverside (35k) Bramall Lane (33k) Odsal (26k) Valley Parade (25k) John Smiths (24k) Oakwell (23k) Rotherham United (12k) The Jungle, Castleford (12k) Craven Park, Hull (10k)

If there are any other out there, post and I will edit.

I understand that Castleford have a proposed newbuild stadium of 13k capacity, there is also a Community Stadium being built in York, but its capacity is limited to 8k for logistical reasons.

Clearly some of the existing stadiums are in the “wrong” part of Yorkshire so would be impractical, but I leave it to others to comment on whether we would be welcome in Hull, Bradford, Beeston, Huddersfield or Castleford.

 

* Premiership standards: 10,000 min capacity of which 4200 must be seated. There are also standards for medical, safety and certain facilities (such as toilets). It doesn’t matter whether you own the ground or rent it and a temporary amnesty can be put in place to cover ground improvements.

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01/07/2018 09:46
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leemingtyke (IP Logged)
01/07/2018 14:28
Another good peice Almo. Informative as well as interesting.

I think you've nailed it when you say that anybody wishing for a move away from Headingley is actually wanting a split from Leeds rugby rather than a having a problem with the stadium.

When the redevelopment is finished I think it will be one of the best rugby grounds in the country; a fantastic place to watch rugby.

I also think it played a role in attracting our new DOR to the club. Its a tough one but I think a move away is more idealistic than realistic. I'd stay.

As for other grounds in the region, we'll be finding out next month that the Northern Echo Arena is a fantastic venue, if a little souless imho. DMP got there first though obviously.

 
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GJD (IP Logged)
02/07/2018 20:44
We would b insane to leave headingley, death of the club

 
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JDH (IP Logged)
02/07/2018 22:17
We need a team putting together to play in it then it's up to us and the public to go.

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
03/07/2018 21:45
Slightly disappointed that posters who have advocated leaving Headingley have not contributed to this thread. Perhaps I have confused people with facts?

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Bobba
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Bobba (IP Logged)
04/07/2018 09:37
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GJD
We would b insane to leave headingley, death of the club

The "Club" has been slowly dying ever since our glory day on the 16th April 2005! All brought on by the director and managements decisions over the years. Some of these are still on our new "independent" board. Time for a change even if it means starting from scratch! We did it once, we can do it again. I am confident that away from LS6 and all that that entails will attract investment which would be to the benefit of our "club" and our club alone!


Time for a Phoenix moment!

 
Bobba
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Bobba (IP Logged)
04/07/2018 09:39
Oh, as an afterthought. Almo. One word. Bunkum!

 
wildwillie
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Wildwillie (IP Logged)
04/07/2018 10:54
Skipton have a very nice ground. Just saying.











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opuscoitus (IP Logged)
04/07/2018 14:51
Just driven past my old stomping ground at Bradford and Bingley which it appears is sponsored by........ Emerald!!!!

Bit of a flood risk but as its 5 mins walk away from my house (on high ground thankfully) i think its a great shout

Decent beer last time i went in there as well

 
headingleytyke
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headingleytyke (IP Logged)
04/07/2018 15:04
Bring back the old days

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
04/07/2018 21:06
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Bobba
Oh, as an afterthought. Almo. One word. Bunkum!

Which facts are you disputing?

 
1spy
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1spy (IP Logged)
06/07/2018 07:51
Very constructive article.For the last eight years i have been the Vice Chairman of the Stadium4Cornwall pressure group.Do not go down that road it will take you years if your lucky.We lost DOR Chris Stirling due to the delay.You will have a new built Stadium available for immediate use.My advice is get behind the club and make it work.
Bill Rees

 
wildwillie
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Wildwillie (IP Logged)
06/07/2018 09:48
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....My advice is get behind the club and make it work.
Bill Rees

That sounds like good advice.

(Sm124)

 
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almostatyke (IP Logged)
06/07/2018 12:33
Thanks for your advice "from the horse's mouth", 1spy.

For those wanting separation from the Leeds Rugby management, note that Gary Hetherington seems to have started his retirement exit strategy by handing over some of his Rhinos duties to Sir Kev.

 
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SideStep (IP Logged)
08/07/2018 08:24
Ok so since I started following Leeds Tykes in 2001 they've got rid of Tykes and brought in Carnegie which to this day I still cannot stand. They need rebrand from Leeds which is my rugby union team to Yorkshire which again is arrogant at best and I still can't stand that. If they then take it away from Headingley go some where else in Yorkshire for me its the final nail in the coffin. I think Mark C did the right thing years ago when he started watching Pock instead.

The first Leeds Tykes child mascot...#leedswasps0203season. #cheersbentos

 
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Madtyke (IP Logged)
11/07/2018 14:37
I go to games , buy a coffee before the game then leave immediately after it. Sadly the rebranding in it's various guises has led to the decline, the days when we were Leeds Tykes and went for a few shandys in the Rugby Club are long gone as has the 'Club' atmosphere. Even waiting for the Bentos 5 minutes first in the Long Room and now as the attendance has dropped the Carnegie Bar usually takes an hour to start after the final whistle. I try to watch Cleckheaton when they are at home as it is good to see rugby played with passion. Looking forward to seeing Mark C when Pock come to town.

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