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End of season Poll Pt 1

Goode.
By T - & you lot
June 30 2009
T leads us through the first part of the End of Season Poll.

The Saracens.co.uk Player of the Year

Despite saying Saracens are crap, English Rugby is tedious and the Northern Hemisphere is for mucking around, and the player with an air-miles to games played ratio that would have Ryan Jones green with envy, Chris Jack world class lock and ordinary blindside flanker finished in third place in the POTY awards. Just think what you could have done in these awards had you played with 70% effort eh Chris?!

In Second place came Wikus Van Heerden, “the beast of the breakdown”  One particular poller suggested that if “Wikus would have been playing against Northampton in the ECC we might have been in the HC rather than looking forward of another year of playing in the B competition.”  While another summed up the sentiments of most as “A very welcome SA addition”

The winner was described as “the most naturally gifted rugby player seen in a black shirt for a long time”, “a fantastic player with true rugby vision and ability”  and by another as “I don’t understand why the media isn’t raving about him” before realising of course it’s the anti Sarries bias!   For the second year in a row the Saracens fullback takes this award, last year saw Richard Haughton sprint away with it, this year by an equally large margin this years winner is Alex Goode.


Winner            Alex Goode

2nd                    Wikus Van Heerden

3rd                    Chris Jack

 The Saracens.co.uk young player of the year

 So what do you have to do to win this award? 

 Be the top try scorer in your debut season, running rings around the opposition including much lauded peers, get called up by the England Saxons then rung rings around seasoned internationals, and then get nominated for find of the season?  Sorry Noah, not quite enough.

 How about 6 GP assists in your debut season, landing you in the top 10 in the entire league despite being injured for a large chunk of the season, seamlessly combining and linking play and doing an extremely passable impression of one of the games true greats resulting in getting a call up for the Saxons? Sorry Andy must try harder next year.

 How about playing out of position making the most yards from fullback than any other Sarrie, almost having a telepathic understanding with your wing, being a brilliant defender, safe under the highball with a vision and understanding of the game that belies your years, as well as an assured kicking and distribution game. Getting called up for the Saxons and being voted The Saracens.co.uk player of they year?  Well done Alex.  First ever double in these end of season polls.  Proof you can’t keep a good man down unless of course you’re Matt Bannahan and you hit him with a late shoulder charge…

Winner                        Alex Goode

2nd                              Andy Saull

3rd                                Noah Cato


 

The Saracens.co.uk Old Player of the Year

 Some big big names obviously appeared in this award for the last time; Chesney, Visagie will both go down in Saracens folklore while Andy Farrell will hope that his move into coaching will see him join those two as Saracens greats

 The 42 year old Marshall took several votes and surprised many by looking well up for the fight shunning his ‘mercenary tag’ in a period where Saracens had no senior scrum halves.  Neil De Kock also took a couple of votes as new entry into the elder statesman category.

 Winner by a country mile however was Glen Jackson, “despite getting on a bit now he still pulls the strings for everything good we do and top points scorer in the GP again.” “How will we ever replace him?” “his Portugal rest seemed to rejuvenate him. Maybe we should buy him a house out there?” but it’s the final comment which sums it up perfectly “just class”

Winner                         Glen Jackson

2nd                               Cobus Visagie & Kris Chesney

3rd                                Neil de Kock  


Guinness Premiership Player of the Year.

Lots of different people voted for various players. In fact there were over 15 different players named.  Youngsters Foden, Care picked up several votes while Bruce Reihana and Nick Evans also had a couple of votes each.  Tom May picked up enough votes to seem him come third which was pretty much where he was in Newcastle’s list of preferred stand offs at the start of the season.  While Tom Croft got more votes than he did in during the initial Lions squad selection taking a very strong 2nd place.

Some of the more interesting Votes were cast for Delon Armitage whom the pollster admitted they couldn’t stand but begrudgingly said he had been brilliant and his parents were lovely!  There was also a vote for Josh Lewsey for “smacking Cipriani!”…damn that mans going to be missed.

 The award was a shared this year, and you sentimental old buggers gave the award to the 87 year old Mike Catt and the retiring to climb a big mountain because that’s something posh army boys do Josh Lewsey. Despite the fact that both players were utter tripe for the first 5 months of the season!

 Winners                       Josh Lewsey & Mike Catt

2nd                                Tom Croft

3nd                                Tom May

International Player of the Year

 No surprises that the Irish boys took the majority of votes this year.  In a year that they did the Grand Slam and the Tri-nations was second choice to the Andrew Marr show for weekend morning viewing.

 Of our Southern Hemisphere friends Richie McCaw and Matt Giteau took a couple of  votes, I imagine there might have been more votes for them but while people were looking for who player ‘X’ was, he had already tapped the ball and run off at 90miles an hour like a demented Jack Russell.

 The Taffs were also well represented despite being a bit rubbish this year with Martin Williams, Lee Half penny and Lee Byrne all taking your precious votes

 And so for the top boys names is that they can all get called by three letter abbreviations thus saving time in typing this whole shambles of a poll up, so there were several votes for ROG and POC but the  runaway leader of this was BOD, who build up such a lead early on he was never going to be caught which is kind of ironic when you think he’s now routinely reeled in by props when he makes a break.

 Winner                        Brian O’Driscoll

2nd                                Paul O’Connell

3rd                                Ronan O’Gara*

 (*Eds note: Come on, own up...who is responsible for this one?)

  

Favourite Saracen

“Dry your eyes mate” as Mike Skinner once sang as of the 11 different Saracens named in this category 5 of them will be leaving/expected to leave the club soon.  Seymour, Visagie and Lloyd all fell into this category as well as two others that were involved in the ding dong at the top.

 The votes were split between a mixture of backs and forwards although nobody seems to love 2nd Rows with their battered ears and freakishly tall ways… Although I bet they’re useful to have round the house of reaching things on the top shelves and carrying stuff around. Like a slightly sport Lurch from the Adams family

 Reasons given included “he was nice to my son when he was a mascot” “lovely bloke” and “I love the way how he plays with a grin on his face all the time.”  There is also one that probably doesn’t even need a reason, now can anyone guess who voted for Seymour?!

 The two clear favourites amongst the Fezboys both like to play on the wing despite having to do things like scrummage and ruck.  Next year we’re going to have to find new heroes or just move over the channel

 Winner                         Census Johnston

2nd                                Kris Chesney

3rd                                Cobus Visage

Best Performance by an Opposition Player

Votes for Foden in the league away at Northampton where “in the second half he looked the most dangerous player in the world” and Simpson in the home game against Wasps “looked every inch an England international” were not enough to see them take this award. While there were also votes for Mickey Young, Mike Tindell, Danny Care and Dave Walder’s 10 minutes where he turned the game Wasps favour but none of them had enough to challenge the top three either.

When Newcastle turned up in the league way back in September, they looked a shambles of a side.  They were torn to shreds in all aspects of the game. 
The little boy who plugged a Dyke in the famous Dutch story was a lightweight, a sham an impostor, a nothing, a zero. Had he been wearing a superman cape and holding back the Hoover dam he might be getting somewhere close to Johnny Wilkinson’s performance against Saracens where he almost singled handed held back the black tide as Newcastle fell apart in all aspects of the game. He hit rucks, made try saving tackles, it wouldn’t have been any surprise to see him packing down in the front row. Still at least we won’t have to play him next year…what’s that you say?… Toulon…in the ECC… @#$%&.


Winner Johnny Wilkinson
2nd Ben Foden
3rd Joe Simpson


Worst Performance by An Opposition Player

 Adrian Jarvis got a vote for missing everything in front of him while playing for Bristol which pretty much guaranteed a rare away win for Saracens  whiel collectively the Newcastle side were picked apart in the League by you lot.

 Nick Abadadababdoan is Stuart Barnes pet full back the boy can do no wrong, it’s probably a little embarrassing then for Stuart to sit down and watch the Saracens Vs Bath game, not only did his beloved Bath side lose but Ababababdodadabon was a liability from start to finish.  After being run over in the first 5 minutes by Ratty and receiving lengthy treatment for his tackling style that appears to be based around hoping people will trip over his face as they run over the top of him.   The next 75 minutes he proceeded to drop the ball at every conceivable opportunity, as well as fudging several overlaps outside of him.  But it was the way the smallest backrow forward at Saracens was made to look like a hulking 20 stone juggernaught as David Seymour ran right over the top of him during the early build up to Barrells match winning try… and the man that couldn’t stop Don scoring in the corner?  Yep you’ve guessed it.

Winner                                    Nick Abadabababababadabon   (Home Vs Bath)

2nd                                Adrian Jarvis (Away Vs Bristol)

3rd                                Entire Newcastle team  (home in the league)


Least Favourite Opposition Player

 The competitive aspect of the matches against Bath has clearly left a mark as the boys from the west supply Bannahan, Abbbbadabadabon, and Justin Harrison into this years popularity list…  Bannahan was picked out as seemingly incapable of tackling, “maybe his brain is too far away from his arms to tell them to wrap round the player”  while the recently retired Australian  who appeared to be trying to take Steve Bothwicks eyes as a retirement gift from the game was described as the “most vile player ever to disgrace the game”…. I imagine a few Bath supporters would probably agree with you, three cheers for little Will Skinner

 Oliver Azam and Ryan Lamb also received votes Lamb for being a “horrible little shit, and his salute to the Lower Rous in the home game”    While Dylan Hartley and Andy Sheridan both got votes for being massively over rated and in Hartley’s case just “a thug that can’t throw the ball straight”

 However the clear leader swan diving away from the competition was Nick Aberdabadababdabdbabdbabdbblahblahblah “Everything that’s wrong with the modern game, diving, play acting, gobby, preening fool”

 Winner                                    Nick Abbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbabdbabdbbababn

2nd                                Ryan Lamb, Justin Harrison, Dylan Hartley

3rd                                Matt Bannahan, Oliver Azam, Andy Sheridan

Player you’d most like to see Join Sarries

Maybe Edward G is right our squad is strong, as none of you can agree on which player you’d most like to see in a Saracens shirt next season. Of those of you voting in this category every body named a different player.  A mixture of all positions from props to lock to fullbacks the only position not mentioned was Hooker. .. which is no surprise as we have 13 of them in the squad.

Oriol Ripol was mentioned more to do with being “Fit” which I don’t think is talking about his results in the bleep test… while God knows what you see in some of the others! Here are all the players nominated

Dan Carter, Sergio Paraise, Matt Tait, Mils Mulihena, Magnus Lund, Bob Casey, Nick Kennedy, Victor Maitfield, Bakkes Botha, Joe Rockocoko, Peter Grant, Tom Croft, Johnny Wilkinson, Mergo Bergamasco, Gethin Jenkins, James Hook, Jamie Heaslip, Ugo Monye, Juan Hernandez, Joe Simpson. Oriol Ripol, Phil Dowson, Matt Giteau

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End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: TheSaracens.com (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 20:43

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:07:21:06:51:54 by TonyTaff.

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: Graeme D (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 21:22

Nice work compiling the list

Graeme

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: utilitywibble (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 22:56

Good stuff T! I was just thinking today about when the results would show up grinning smiley

I think I was the one who wanted Rokocoko btw

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: Delynagh (IP Logged)
Date: 30/06/2009 23:17

Hand's up who voted Bakkies Botha?

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: AlanE (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 04:09

Yugo Monyay, ferchrissake???

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: T (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 09:13

EDs - I think there is one part missing 'best perfomance by opposition player' please let me know if you don't have it and il;l forward it on.

thx

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: Kat (IP Logged)
Date: 01/07/2009 09:51

It was missing from the copy.

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: jeremy ogorman (IP Logged)
Date: 02/07/2009 07:51

well done T

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: fresh eys (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 17:08

With the manager finally getting his star boy, Hougart, carnt see A Goode staying around to get next years award.
Oh unless of course they are going to keep Hougart on the bench just in case he is needed.

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: utilitywibble (IP Logged)
Date: 03/07/2009 18:09

It's Hougaard and if Alex continues playing the way he is I can't imagine we'd let him leave without trying our best to accommodate his desires.

I have a few questions:

Where has Hougaard's arrival been announced? Where have you heard that he is Venter's 'star boy'? And finally where have you heard that Alex Goode would leave if not given a shot at fly-half?

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: grantgolf (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2009 22:13

This is just more unsubstantiated rumour that diminishes the value of this otherwise excellent site, and causes upset to supporters.

Whilst intelligent debate is to be applauded, how about a Mid Year Resolution for all - if you don't actually know and can substantiate the facts keep rumours to yourself until you can substantiate them!

The "facts" based on your ex wife's best friends husbands cousin "knowing" a players wife's brother / sister doesn't cut it or make it a worthwhile posting!

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: Kat (IP Logged)
Date: 05/07/2009 11:58

I disagree Grantgolf. This is unofficial forum for discussion about anything Saracens related. If you only want substainated fact there is the official site.

As it says at the top of the board 'Whatever your views on Saracens, whether a Sarries fan or not, leave them here.'

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: grantgolf (IP Logged)
Date: 05/07/2009 12:09

Kat,

With respect there is a huge difference between holding and discussing a view, and spreading unsubstantiated rumours.

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: Rupes (IP Logged)
Date: 05/07/2009 20:09

grantgolf - this is the wrong thread for this discussion. T has produced the poll, the least you can do is have the courtesy to use the thread accordingly.

Do you work for the club by the way?

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: fresh eys (IP Logged)
Date: 05/07/2009 20:34

Utililtywibble.
1)Last Tuesday another thread stated D.H had been signed.
2)Thursday, seen traing at St Albans.
3)I seem to recall that Dr V. attempted to swap A.G for D.H back in Feb. As it has taken such a long time to secure the services of D.H. one can only surmise that he will feature strongly in the Saracens line up. At any one time there can be only one No. 10 on the pitch. Ergo where does that leave A.G, the nominated player of the year, ( the subject of this thread)

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: grantgolf (IP Logged)
Date: 05/07/2009 23:07

Rupes,

I certainly do not need any lessons in courtesy from you! I believe "Fresh Eys" and "Utilitywibble" started the DH rumours under this thread and not under the thread that was already running on this subject and from the last postings appear to continue to run it here - I suggest you take it up with them!

I do not work for the club,but as an ordinary supporter I can see [and would have thought that as an intelligent man so could you] the harm it does to the club, its supporters and its public image when the rumour mongers are allowed free rain.

Please think back to the unrest that was caused relatively recently at the time of the so called cull. Whilst the club certainly did not cover itself in glory with the way it was handled, the whole situation was made very much worst and greater upset caused to supporters by some of the the rumours - nay drivel - masquerading as "fact" that were being peddled on this site which have proved to be totally without foundation.

All I am saying is that lively discussion of a variety of differing opinions and views between supporters is healthy and generally is fairly entertaining.Presumably this is what this site is here for. The deliberate pedling of unsupported rumours for whatever reason is something else altogether and is damaging. In certain circumstances it could be considered to have verged on being malicious. It is certainly not something that genuine supporters who have the best interests of the club and the players should be engaged in.

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: Kat (IP Logged)
Date: 06/07/2009 07:13

Wrong thread - but I can't be bothered to start another one.

As we have seen elsewhere, one persons 'unsubstantiated rumour' is another persons 'fact'.

I think we can therefore leave it to our intelligent posting communitee to self regulate and decide what is news worthy and what is not (bearing in mind their 'source' may be reading and dry up).

If anyone doesn't like rumour posted on this board, they have their own free will and the choice, not to read the thread, not to believe the thread and not to respond to the thread - whilst others equally have the right (libel laws permitting) to continue the disscussion.

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: Rupes (IP Logged)
Date: 06/07/2009 08:01

GrantGolf - it's "free rein".

Lessons in pedantry available, even if you don't want to consider those available (not from me, I'd hasten to suggest) in courtesy.

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: Kat (IP Logged)
Date: 06/07/2009 08:41

Article updated to include the complete 'Best Performance by an Opposition Player'

Thanks T

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: utilitywibble (IP Logged)
Date: 06/07/2009 15:57

grantgolf - I did not start the DH rumour on this thread, I questioned someone else's information.

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: AmershamPaul (IP Logged)
Date: 06/07/2009 22:36

If DH has signed and is training, why hasn't it been announced?

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: utilitywibble (IP Logged)
Date: 06/07/2009 22:50

As my questions above inferred, there has been no official mention of anything that 'fresheys' has said regarding DH

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: Convex Hull (IP Logged)
Date: 07/07/2009 15:21

Thanks T, It was fun reading your article.

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: fresh eys (IP Logged)
Date: 09/07/2009 12:07

Dear Mr Utilitywibble.
Quite clearly this discussion should be on your thread " Official Ins and outs" That thread started by you does represent the best document of the moving situation so well done for that.
However,( you new that was comming) there still seems to be a cloud around the subject that the club just have not attempted to blow away.
It posses the quesion of just why the club have such a lack of candour on who is actual in harness.
I believe Hougaard is now with the club so why the secrecy. If nothing else it certainly builds conspiracy theories.
Look forward to seeing whether your sources can confirm or deny

Re: End of season Poll Pt 1
Posted by: utilitywibble (IP Logged)
Date: 09/07/2009 12:27

My 'sources' are only the official announcements from the club that others and myself see on the website.

If you believe that DH is there that's fair enough but you can only ever be an unofficial source of information. If you want to know about DH and secrecy get in touch with Edward G and ask him if he has signed.

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