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It’s going to be a walkover, a try fest, right?

Saracens v Leeds Carnegie
By Jonjo
October 23 2009
Well, on form of course it ought to be a clear and decisive win, but memories of Saracens falling to opponents who otherwise could not buy a win come flooding back. Teams that were in deep trouble, like Worcester, Irish and Harlequins, could come to Vicarage road secure in the knowledge that the improbable was still highly possible.

What do you call it when a team in form loses to one that isn’t? Is it choking, complacency or something else? Is it the team’s fault, the leadership on the pitch, the tactical preparation or the mental preparedness?

So far this season, Leeds have drawn 9-9 at home with Falcons, lost 27-7 away to Wuss (Friday evening game), lost at home 7-56 to London Irish, away 30-10 to Sinners and 10-26 at home to Gloss. Their aggregate score in the league is therefore 43-148, compared to 99-70 for Saracens, so you could say we have scored twice as many and let in half as many. In Europe they lost away to Bougoin 19-29 but won at home against Parma, 37-13.

If you are the nervous type, or your glass is half empty, you could say that Leeds come to this match with their confidence high after a good win and we have had our confidence dented by a loss. admittedly Toulon were a decent team but it also seemed to me that they had the tactics to defeat our up-and-in defence, running 3 men hard up the centre channels but passing the ball deep behind them and then outside our defence. Leeds are coached by Neil Back and he is no fool, so you can assume that he has taken note of the way we have played thus far, the tactics that have been tried against us without success and those that have worked.

Time therefore to see whether we can adapt those tactics, at least to create some uncertainty as to what we are going to do.

Again, the thorny question of squad rotation arises. If we play all our best players all the time, go through all the knockout stages in all 3 competitions I think we will have played something over 40 matches, so you undoubtedly need to rotate your squad, but if as a result of that rotation you don’t get to the final of the various competitions, you wouldn’t necessarily have needed to rotate in the first place. Nice little paradox, only truly solved if the key players are interchangeable with their alternates, or if the coach can pick enough “soft” games to rest his key men.

Some of the Leeds squad are familiar names, like Jason Strange, Marcus Wentzel, Seru Rabeni, Henry Paul and Andy Gomarsall. They lost a lot of players when they were relegated, played extremely well in Div 1 to bounce straight back up, and have recruited well this summer. The key question is: have they got a strong team or just a list of strong players? Can they build on their momentum at the moment ours falters? Can they transfer the nerves to us?

Bottom line: I expect a big Saracens win on Sunday. We slipped up against Toulon but the Dr will be on the case, our tactics will evolve and we will execute them a lot better than we did in France. But rugby is not such a simple game as all that, and the wheels can come off for all sorts of reasons. If we are in control after 20 minutes I think we will get that big win, but if it is all still to play for at half time, we will need to be at our best to get a win at all. I can’t believe that this Saracens team will crumble, but I will be a lot happier when some of those ghosts from the past are firmly nailed.

 

Saracens: 

15 Alex Goode 14 Noah Cato 13 Kameli Ratuvou 12 Brad Barritt 11 Chris Wyles
10 Glen Jackson 9 Justin Marshall
1 Rhys Gill 2 Schalk Brits 3 Carlos Nieto 4 Steve Borthwick © 5 Mouritz Botha
6 Wikus van Heerden 7 Andy Saull 8 Ernst Joubert

16 Ethienne Reynecke 17 Matias Aguero 18 Richard Skuse 19 Hugh Vyvyan
20 Justin Melck 21 Neil de Kock 22 Derick Hougaard 23 Michael Tagicakibau

 

Leeds:

15. Leigh Hinton 14. Richard Welding 13. Seru Rabeni 12. Scott Barrow
11. Lee Blackett 10. Ceiron Thomas 9. Andy Gomarsall
1. Tommy McGee 2. Phil Nisen 3. Juan Gomez 4. Phil Murphy 5. Marco Wentzel (C) 6. Kearnan Myall 7. Hendre Fourie 8. Alfie To'oala

16. Vili Ma'asi 17. Gareth Hardy 18. Phil Swainston 19. Erik Lund
20. Calum Clark 21. Scott Mathie 22. Henry Paul 23. Henry Fa'afili

 

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It’s going to be a walkover, a try fest, right?
Posted by: TheSaracens.com (IP Logged)
Date: 23/10/2009 12:19

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Re: It’s going to be a walkover, a try fest, right?
Posted by: Neville (IP Logged)
Date: 23/10/2009 13:01

Good stuff Jonjo, cheers

You sound about as nervous as me. Being a Sarrie comes with a lot of negative baggage

Re: It’s going to be a walkover, a try fest, right?
Posted by: derbyshire fan (IP Logged)
Date: 23/10/2009 13:44

Reading your preview (many thanks by the way), I felt many of the same emotions - which tells me we haven't yet got that winning mentality as fans yet, irrespective of the changes that Dr V has brought about within the team. As we are currently unbeaten in the GP, and Leeds are clearly struggling, this should be an absolute banker for us - five GP points or else. Perhaps if the team do indeed deliver (which based on the named team and bench we should do comfortably), we as fans can start to show a bit more self belief?

Re: It’s going to be a walkover, a try fest, right?
Posted by: boomer! (IP Logged)
Date: 23/10/2009 16:34

I know it is done in jest but a headline line that just invites a smack in the gob, and deservedly so.

Good luck to Sarries, work hard and do not relax.

Welcome to Leeds. I trust you have a good match (just not too good a match).

Enjoy.

boom (Sm80)

Re: It’s going to be a walkover, a try fest, right?
Posted by: Mac L (IP Logged)
Date: 23/10/2009 19:08

Let's hope hey concentrate and work together for a win. I too am not that confident, but I hope....

Re: It’s going to be a walkover, a try fest, right?
Posted by: UtilityWibble (IP Logged)
Date: 23/10/2009 20:02

Good preview.

I'm really looking forward to this one. The team has shown good heart so far and I'd like to see if they can put it all together and destroy someone. With the team we have and the opposition we're facing this is a real opportunity show the league we mean business.

It'll also be the first match at Vicarage road I can make this season so am hoping for a good one.

Re: It’s going to be a walkover, a try fest, right?
Posted by: Bobba (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2009 14:03

Top againt bottom. A prime situation for an upset!
COME ON LEEDS!!!(Sm152)(Sm152)(Sm152)

Re: It’s going to be a walkover, a try fest, right?
Posted by: Bobba (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2009 16:57

Than you Mr Rose. Again Leeds on the wrong end of refereing decisions.
Well played Leeds!
Looks like we will have to wait till we meet again at Headingley for our win against you.
Best of luck for the rest of the season.
(Sm128)

Re: It’s going to be a walkover, a try fest, right?
Posted by: Graeme D (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2009 18:22

Quote:
Bobba
Than you Mr Rose. Again Leeds on the wrong end of refereing decisions.
(Sm128)

Not if you were a Saracens supporter.

Graeme
"Cheering on the Champions"

Re: It’s going to be a walkover, a try fest, right?
Posted by: Haxbytyke (IP Logged)
Date: 25/10/2009 23:52

The ref was crap, and both sides suffered, Leeds more than Sarries, think disallowed try for Leeds, forward pass for Fezheads second try.

Re: It’s going to be a walkover, a try fest, right?
Posted by: Beeston Lion (IP Logged)
Date: 26/10/2009 00:36

Unable to verify on ITV highlights tonight as disallowed Leeds try was not even shown and Ratuvou's second try was not analysed at all.

Re: It’s going to be a walkover, a try fest, right?
Posted by: TOKS (IP Logged)
Date: 28/10/2009 14:22

I wonder what the final score would have been if Rosey had added on all the time that the Leeds front-row spent failing to engage at scrum-time.

We could have lost of course but it would just be nice to see what result 80 minutes of "playing time" would have produced...

Re: It’s going to be a walkover, a try fest, right?
Posted by: TonyTaff (IP Logged)
Date: 29/10/2009 13:49

'Crouch, touch, pause, engage, time on' would sort it out.

But we'd need floodlights for a 1pm kick off, and Druids would need an extension if they want any after match custom...



... Honesht, daaarling, I haven't been for a drinky-poos after the match, the reashun why I'm sho late ish jusht that the ref-wef had a terrible time with the front rowsh. winking smiley

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