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Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards

Strongest XV 08/09 - Pack
By Andrew Collins
July 15 2008
With pre-season training having just began, and our three new Welsh signings finding their feet at Hensol training ground, my thoughts begin to wonder, ‘Who will be the Cardiff Blues starting fifteen next season?’, so I thought I’d take a look.

My first thoughts about selecting the forwards for next seasons strongest squad, was that it would be exactly the same as last season, as there have been no new signings in the front 8. However, though we waved farewell to Rob Sidoli and James Goode, we welcome back Bradley Davies and Andy Powell from long-term injury, and look forward to seeing the likes of Sam Warburton making the step up.

Loose Head Prop
Only ever going to be one man here, Gethin Jenkins. Bar far Wales first choice at loose head, and likely to be there for the lions too come next summer. Yapp remains his understudy.

Tight Head Prop
Largely depends on how Yapp's switch to tight head goes, but we're likely to see Tao' Felise remain there for next year at least. The Samoan has really steadied the pack since his arrival from Bath, and though he's not as present in the loose as Yappy, his scrumaging is second to none in the position for Cardiff. Again, depending on how successful Yapp's swap goes, we may still see Gary Powell make a few starts next season.

Hooker
Really interesting one to call. This time last year, anyone in Wales would have said Rhys Thomas, but after a magnificent season, the nearly released Gareth Williams is surely the man to lead us into the big occasions next year. The line out has functioned like never before, his loose play is like having an extra back on the park, and his size becomes irrelevant next year, as we see the introduction of ELV's and so less scrums, providing us with a more loose game. For me, it Umpa Lumpa (Williams), but I wouldn't be surprised to see many going for TR.

Second Row
Sidoli and Goode's departure's mean we're likely to see more of Bradley Davies next year, barring anymore injuries, but with player of the year, Tito, and Mr consistency Deiniol Jones, he will struggle to break into first team action for the big Heineken encounters. Scott Morgan has been made a second row man for next season, meaning he too will provide cover, while we may also see the emergence of former Wales U19's captain Jevon Groves, who was the only Welshman banned following a post match ruckus with France at this years Junior Championships. He was ever present in the side that finished 4th in the competition, prior to his banning.

Flankers
Maama Molitika and Martyn Williams, no question. The pair were in scintillating form last season, with Maama's return proving the catalyst for a perfect back row trio. For me, big Maama was the player of the season, and that was reflected by the squad themselves, who voted the Tongan, Player's Player of the Season. His excellent displays and hard work ethic took massive attention off Martyn and Xavier, who were always targets for defending sides. His two tires in return fixtures against Bristol proved huge in getting the Blues to their first Heineken Quarter Final. Elsewhere, Ben White is always energetic at 6, and has been very impressive in the Dan Baugh mould, while as ever, Robin Sowden-Taylor remains possibly the best player in Wales to not be starting for their region.

Number Eight
Again, no debate about this one, captain marvel, Xavier Rush. The good news however is that there will be a new man as his replacement next year, with Wales Under 20's captain, Sam Warburton surely set to make his regional bow this year. The Glamorgan Wanderers player has already admitted being a huge fan of the region, and hope to fulfil his dream of playing for the Cardiff Blues. He'll have to stave off competition from Mark Lewis and fit-again Andy Powell, but with both those two being able to play on the flank as well, it would be a travesty if we didn't see Sam gain at least a handful of appearances next year.

So here's how its looks for the forwards;

1. Gethin Jenkins/John Yapp
2. Gareth Williams/Rhys Thomas
3. Tao' Felise/Gary Powell
4. Deiniol Jones/Bradley Davies
5. Paul Tito/Scott Morgan
6. Maama Molitika/Ben White
7. Martyn Williams/Robin Sowden-Taylor
8. Xavier Rush/Andy Powell

Agree? Disagree? Have your say on the message board below.

Strongest XV 08 - Backs, to follow shortly.

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Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: theArmsPark.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2008 01:08

Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: smudgerblue (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2008 09:05

Would like us to sign a quality tight head, but this isn't going to happen....

Looks a pretty strong unit.

Fancy Warburton at 7 rather than 8 and possibly Sowden-Taylor moving to 6.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: mackumblues (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2008 10:22

Not sure about Andy Powell at 8 Lewis has never let us down and has scored some vital tries such as at Saracens where he also showed his bravery by getting concussed in the act of scoring. The upper body strength of a number 8 is one of his key ingrediants given the damage suffered by Andy Powell in the shoulders he is a risk.

Agree re Warburton at 7 and possibly moving Sowden Taylor to 6 also Yappy is being taught Tight Head so he can cover both sides of Scrum. Why have we kept Gary Powell the man is a liability.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: BEDDAUBLUE (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2008 14:58

I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY DIA YOUNG AS NOT TURNED JOHN YAPP INTO A TIGHTHEAD PROP YEARS AGO .

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: mackumblues (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2008 15:23

Beddau Theres no need to shout or did you forget to turn your cap lock off.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: larryblues1010 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2008 15:35

id go for :
1. Jenkins
2. Williams
3. Filise
4. Jones
5. Tito.
6. Molitika
7. Williams
8. Rush


Benching :

Yapp / Thomas / Davies / White

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: S A Brained (IP Logged)
Date: 16/07/2008 09:34

I'm note sure that Yapp is the right shape for a TH. We will see.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: Cardiff Boo's (IP Logged)
Date: 16/07/2008 12:47

S.A I agree with you not sure this is going to work at all

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: Mackumblues (IP Logged)
Date: 16/07/2008 13:00

As he covers both sides of the Scrum when he plays for Wales wouldn't it of made more sense to get Geth to change positions. Lets wait and see before commenting on Yappy. I hope it works

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: S A Brained (IP Logged)
Date: 16/07/2008 18:12

I just hope we don't end up with another ALP. Tidy prop, waste of time at hooker. Cost him caps.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: mackumblues (IP Logged)
Date: 16/07/2008 20:28

Funny SA I was going to comment on Andy Lewis as well. He was a better prop than Hooker I agree but he couldn't have been that bad he was capped at Hooker as well.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: S A Brained (IP Logged)
Date: 17/07/2008 07:05

Oh he was acceptable but he never had a "Wales future" at Hooker. Hence the "waste of time"

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: mackumblues (IP Logged)
Date: 17/07/2008 13:15

As far as Wales was concerned with Garin Jenkins Humph and Robbie Mcbride just starting his career Andy was fourth choice hooker for Wales at best.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: S A Brained (IP Logged)
Date: 18/07/2008 18:59

Exactly, so why mess him about? A good prop wasted.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: yCymro (IP Logged)
Date: 21/07/2008 21:15

If Sowden-Taylor stays injured I reckon young Dan Franks could be in with a shot of the 7 shirt! Watched him for Wales U20 and at Cardiff Uni Varisty and was really impressed by him!

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: S A Brained (IP Logged)
Date: 22/07/2008 10:02

I'd like to see, in certain games, RST and Nugget working together.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: larryblues1010 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/07/2008 14:43

Quote:
yCymro
If Sowden-Taylor stays injured I reckon young Dan Franks could be in with a shot of the 7 shirt! Watched him for Wales U20 and at Cardiff Uni Varisty and was really impressed by him!

To be fair Franks will get no game time this year, he will have to get in front of Williams/RST/White/Warburton to even get a look in.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Forwards
Posted by: S A Brained (IP Logged)
Date: 23/07/2008 13:15

I agree larry!

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