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Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs

Strongest XV 08/09 - Back
By Andrew Collins
July 15 2008
With pre-season training having just began, and our three new Welsh signings finding their feet at Hensol training ground, my thoughts begin to wonder, ‘Who will be the Cardiff Blues starting fifteen next season?’, so I thought I’d take a look.

With the arrivals of Ceri Sweeney, Richard Mustoe and Aled Brew to the backs next season, some people argue we've got our strongest squad since the birth to regionalism, and with the return of Chris Czekaj and Rhys Williams to an already fantastic back line, it's hard to disagree! But will the loss of Marc Stcherbina hit us hard, and will Brew and Mustoe be any better than Tal Selley? Of course only time tell, but here's how it looks for me.

Scrum Half
Jason Spice had a good season last year, and is clearly a different class to Ritchie Rees, so will be the man to wear 9 in the big names next year, barring any injuries. But perhaps the more interesting battle will be between back up players, Rees and Darren Allinson. The young Cardiff RFC talent looks brimming with confidence off the back of a great season with Welsh premiership side. He's been given a Blues Development contrast for next year, so we may well be seeing these two guys battle it out literally for a contrst for the following season. Personally, my money is on Allinson to not only become preferred 2nd choice, but to push old Spice to his very best if he wants to stay first choice.

Fly Half
The acquisition of Ceri Sweeney hasn't exactly thrilled the Arms Park faithful, but in all fairness, he does provide better cover for Nick Robinson than we have been used to. Like scrum half, the real battle here will be for 2nd place, with last season's regular, Dai Flanagan, looking to keep out Sweeny, who hasn't had a good season for a long time. But the former Celtic Warrior believes the move will reignite his passion for rugby, and we'll see a return of the man who earned many Welsh caps. Ceri isn't the only person hoping that's true.

Centre
This is probably the one area of the squad that has been weakened over the summer period, with youngster, Tom Riley, Nick Macleod, Tal Selley and most recently fan favourite, Marc Stcherbina, all leaving for pastures new, however in all honest, it's still a position where the Blues have a wealth of class and experience. The only arrival or sort comes in the shape of utility back, Jamie Roberts, who wore the 12 shirt for Wales in their second test of their recent tour to South Africa. Roberts partnered Blues team mate Tom Shankin at Gatland experimented with his squad, the pair performing very well in both defence an attack, giving Dai Young an extra option for next season. In truth, the first choice pairing will probably be Gareth Thomas and Shanklin, although Jamie Robinson, celebrating his centenary year, may well be used at 13 with Shanks inside at 12. The departures in the position mean we're also likely to see more from local crash ball expert, Daf Hewitt. So to list them fully, we have Alfie, Roberts, Robinson, Shanklin and Hewitt, while Ceri Sweeney may also make the occasional appearance at 12.

Wings
Like centre, wing is a position where the Blues can boast a list of top quality international players, many of whom still at a young age, but showing the type of talent that ensures they'll be with Cardiff for many years to come. Of those, there four are 21-years olds, all of whom capped by Wales, Tom James heads the list, scoring 11 tries in 16 appearances last year, and becoming the Magner's League top try scorer, while Jamie Roberts, Chris Czekaj and new-Blue Aled Brew will all be vying for one of the two wing berths. On top of those four names, Dai Young has the luxury of experience out wide as well, with record try scorer Gareth Thomas and Rhys Williams, now in his 11th season with Cardiff, despite being just 28. And as if that weren't enough, the Blues have also signed Richard Mustoe from Newport Gwent Dragons, and have teenage sensation, Leigh Halfpenny, who already has one Blues cap to his name. In all honesty, that list is insane, with the Blues having no excuse for not scoring tries out wide, however I do feel for Dai Young, who has the hard job of picking the best two from that bunch. That's potentially 8 names for two positions, although we're likely to see Gareth Thomas revert back to centre for next season, while Jamie Roberts may make more starts from full back than last year. Picking who will wear 11 and 14 is so tight, it will surely come down to form and rotation, but going into next year, I'm throwing my hat in with the awesome Tom James, and providing he makes a successful come back from a career threatening injury sustained just a year ago, Chris Czekaj. Behind them, I'd still be happy to see Roberts make some appearances there, as he managed 7 tries in 14 Magner's league games, despite supposedly playing out of position, while I would favour Rhys Williams over Brew, the much-loved Cardiff boy still scoring 3 tries in his only 5 starts of an injury hit campaign last year. I'm backing Rhys to make a big come back in 08/09.

Full Back
In the last 2 seasons, this was a no brainer, pocket sized Kiwi, Ben Blair, has proved a massive hit at full back, earning Player of the Year in his first season, as well as being named in the Magner's League Team of the Year both years running. However, he faces real competition for the jersey from Jamie Roberts, who is learning an improving in every match. You'd have to say that Blair remains first choice, but I think we're likely to see far more of Roberts than we did last year. Should injuries occur, we still have Rhysy to cover, who at 28 and with 44 caps, still has a hello of a lot to offer both Cardiff and Wales in my view.

So here's how it looks for the backs;

9. Jason Spice/Darren Allinson
10. Nicky Robinson/Ceri Sweeney
11. Chris Czekaj/Rhys Williams
12. Gareth Thomas/Daf Hewit
13. Tom Shanklin/Jamie Robinson
14. Tom James/Jamie Roberts/Aled Brew
15. Ben Blair/Jamie Roberts

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Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: theArmsPark.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2008 08:24

Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: mackumblues (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2008 10:25

Don't forget the RFC have signed Craig Morgan and Lee Jarvis both of whom could force themselves into the mix in the case of injury. Why have you mentioned Allinson and not Ritchie Rees as reserve scrum Half

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: Owen_Blues Fan (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2008 10:39

for me it would g; like this;
9. rees/allinson
10.robinson
11.czekaj
12.Hewit
13.Shanklin
14.James
15.Roberts

I no it is a very young back line but i think we've got to leave out older players like gareth thomas, and opt for young talent.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: Rocky (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2008 14:42

9 Spice
10 Robinson
11 James
12 Shanklin
13 Robinson
14 Roberts
15 Blair

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: Tabs (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2008 15:26

Crickey is Jamie Robinson 100 this year then?

Good for his age

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: larryblues1010 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2008 15:27

Id go for:

(These two played very well together last year when they had the chance e.g.Dragons away/Munster away until Robinson's injury)

9. Rees
10. Robinson

11. James

(Can see Roberts playing the majority/rest of his career at 12)

12. Roberts

(Shanklin didn't do a great deal for us last year e.g. Toulose / Leicester but Jamie was injured quite often but when fit Jamie offers a great deal)

13. Shanklin or J. Robinson

(He does an excellent job for us and his experience is crucial)

14. Thomas

(Blair simply for his attacking threat and kicking ability)

15. Blair

So that was
Rees
Robinson
James
Roberts
Shanklin
Thomas
Blair

Spice / Sweeney / Mustoe



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008:07:15:18:53:05 by larryblues1010.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: jake 1 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2008 16:50

Still disapointed that no new scrum half has come in Spice is not up to it dont know where people get this idea that he had a good season from, from where i was standing he was shocking.

As ive said in previous post id give Roberts a good run at inside Centre. Gareth Thomas should be super sub.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: amstel (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2008 21:11

Quote:
larryblues1010
Id go for:
(These two played very well together last year when they had the chance e.g.Dragons away/Munster away until Robinson's injury)

9. Rees
10. Robinson

11. James

(Can see Roberts playing the majority/rest of his career at 12)

12. Roberts

(Shanklin didn't do a great deal for us last year e.g. Toulose / Leicester but Jamie was injured quite often but when fit Jamie offers a great deal)

13. Shanklin or J. Robinson

(He does an excellent job for us and his experience is crucial)

14. Thomas

(Blair simply for his attacking threat and kicking ability)

15. Blair

So that was
Rees
Robinson
James
Roberts
Shanklin
Thomas
Blair

Spice / Sweeney / Mustoe
In my Opinion thats the strongest set of backs we will put out this season, Agree! Nicky Robinson and Richard Rees will form a real good partnership!

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: amstel (IP Logged)
Date: 15/07/2008 21:34

Andrew Collins you seem to have a soft spot for young Allinson.
Brimming with confidence off the back of a great season with the Rags, pushing Spicey for his place while elbowing Rees out of the way at the same time!
Rags 9s 2007- 2008
Ruttley started 20 games 6 subs
Allinson started 7 games 1 sub
Evans started 2 games 9 subs
Perhaps Ruttley should have had the development contract!
Allinson also featured in 3 Blues games as sub playing no more than 15 mins altogether.
Theres a bit of a difference playing in the premiership than Toulouse or Leicester away.

Theres a big ask from being 2nd choice Rags to 1st choice Blues!
Firstly! lets hope he can compete, and also learn from the other two 9s!

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: S A Brained (IP Logged)
Date: 16/07/2008 08:26

I think the point about Allinson is he is on the up as opposed to Rutts who has travelled as far as he ever will.

Allinson took his chances, with the Cardiff First team, well last season. He deserves his chance.

Neither Spice nor Rees looked too clever at time so the chance is there for the youngster; can he take it?

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: Rust Sef (IP Logged)
Date: 16/07/2008 12:24

Quote:
S A Brained
I think the point about Allinson is he is on the up as opposed to Rutts who has travelled as far as he ever will.
Allinson took his chances, with the Cardiff First team, well last season. He deserves his chance.

Neither Spice nor Rees looked too clever at time so the chance is there for the youngster; can he take it?

Like what you've done there - 'Cardiff Firsts', we could end up going back to that old chestnut.

I'd like to see Daf Hewitt playing more did treally well when he played last seaason

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Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: LACW (IP Logged)
Date: 16/07/2008 14:37

where has tom riley gone?

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: S A Brained (IP Logged)
Date: 16/07/2008 18:11

The Port. I think.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: Ellist7 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/07/2008 18:09

9.Jason Spice
10.Nicky Robinson
11.Tom James
12.Dafydd Hewitt (in a season or two)
13.Tom Shanklin
14.Jamie Roberts
15.Ben Blair

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: S A Brained (IP Logged)
Date: 18/07/2008 19:04

Quote:
Ellist7
9.Jason Spice
10.Nicky Robinson
11.Tom James
12.Dafydd Hewitt (in a season or two)
13.Tom Shanklin
14.Jamie Roberts
15.Ben Blair

If it's "in a season or two then Spice will be gone so AN other (maybe Allinson) at 9 and Roberts could be at 15 with CC at 14

9.Allinson
10.Nicky Robinson
11.Tom James
12.Dafydd Hewitt
13.Tom Shanklin
14.Chris Czekai
15.Jamie Roberts

for now it has to be

9.Jason Spice
10.Nicky Robinson
11.Tom James
12.Tom Shanklin
13.Jamie Robinson
14.Jamie Roberts
15.Ben Blair

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: bob jones (IP Logged)
Date: 21/07/2008 15:00

9. spice
10. sweeney
11.t james
12-13. alfie + shanks
14. r williams
15. blair

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: S A Brained (IP Logged)
Date: 21/07/2008 15:21

Sweeney should not be allowed near the pitch in a Cardiff shirt.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: owen_bluesfan (IP Logged)
Date: 21/07/2008 19:02

Quote:
bob jones
9. spice
10. sweeney
11.t james
12-13. alfie + shanks
14. r williams
15. blair


Sorry, but is this a joke? Sweeney and rhys williams?

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: rep (IP Logged)
Date: 21/07/2008 20:31

look sweeney may have been@#$%&for the dragons but ther is no reason he cannot restore his carreer at the blues it has been done before in rugby.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: S A Brained (IP Logged)
Date: 21/07/2008 22:29

I've seen no evidence in his career to suggest that he is worth the risk.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: mackumblues (IP Logged)
Date: 22/07/2008 07:29

Where do these plonkers come from how on earth can you leave Jamie Roberts out of the team not to mention Nicky. My selection would be

15 Blair/Roberts alternate them for ML and EDF games and play Blair as 1st choice in HC
14 Czekai/Roberts if Czeks is not back to the speed he had before his injury Jamie is my pick as first choice. As we don't yet know then I'll make a choice after I've seen Czeks play.
13 Shanks
12 Sweeney
11 James
10 N Robinson
9 Spice

Id keep Alfie on the bench in case of injury as he can cover any one of 3 positions. Shanks is best with a ball playing 12. I know Sweeney has said he wants to play 10 but if he wants to settle into the Blues he has to play where chosen and although both Nicky and Sweeney can be infuriatingly inconsistent Nicky is the better of the 2 of them. Sweeney played 12 for the Dragons when Warlow was there.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: S A Brained (IP Logged)
Date: 22/07/2008 10:00

Jamie Robinson over Ceri Sweeney; that apart mackumblues it looks good. Sweeny can be cover for the Rags 10.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: Mackumblues (IP Logged)
Date: 22/07/2008 15:08

I opted for Sweeney because Shanks is at his best inside a ball playing 12. Thats why he looks so good with Henson and it's a real pity we didn't pull Hensons transfer off. Shanks best season was 2 years ago with Stitch as his partner and I still can't understand why we let Stitch go. If the Scarlets can get away with 7 NWQ players we should have told the WRU where to shove their agreement. That however is a different stream.

Shanks has had some good games with Jamie as his partner but Jamie is also a crash ball centre and so doesn't always compliment him. Whenever I saw Sweeney with the Warriors or before that Ponty he looked a good ball player and should form a good partnership.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: S A Brained (IP Logged)
Date: 23/07/2008 13:08

I hope your right about Sweeny but I remain in need of convincing.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: mackumblues (IP Logged)
Date: 23/07/2008 13:48

Not long till we find out boy I hate the close season.

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: theArmsPark.co.uk Admin (IP Logged)
Date: 23/07/2008 23:58

I find it very interesting that in most cases, none of the 3 new players made it into the starting backs list. It worries me greatly that we haven't built on last seasons squad at all, and should 1 or 2 players get injured at the same time, something perfectly plausable, we'd be stuffed!

Amstal, admittedly Allinson has not been tested on the highest level, unlike Spice and Rees, however, in my opinion, neither of the current duo are good enough. Spice is consisant and reliable, but they are the attributes of a good back up, whereas Rees is exciting, but lacks the real skill level we need if want to be in the top 8 sides every year. My comments were more out of hope than anything else, although of what i've seen of the west walian, i believe Allinson could have the potantial to be better than both of these players within a year or two.

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Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: blues til i die (IP Logged)
Date: 26/07/2008 14:06

I still think we really need a scrum half and quickly ive had enough of spice hes just an average player.
Rees is slightly better but not good enough for the blues if they want to be challenging for the h cup and league.
anyway for me its:
15. Ben Blair
14. Jamie Roberts
13. Jamie Robinson
12. Tom Shanklin
11. Tom James
10. Nicky Robinson
9. Richie Rees

Re: Strongest XV 08/09 - Backs
Posted by: rep (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2008 11:03

i find it quite worrying that we have only signed back up players for the new season, as most people have not included the new signings in their backs list. why havent we spent money on bringing atleast 1 player that will be good enough straight away to be in the starting line up.

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