This Week's random Law
By ATTR
March 12 2010
Not a law as such this week but "hot off the IRB press" a significant ruling following on from recent events!
By ATTR
March 12 2010
Not a law as such this week but "hot off the IRB press" a significant ruling following on from recent events!
11 March 2010
Ruling: 2: 2010
Request from the WRU
The WRU request a Ruling related to time at the end of a match:
The request for a Ruling arises from the ending of two recent international
matches and is in relation to the way a restart takes place following the
referee’s communication that it is to be the “last play” of the match.
If the ball is kicked directly out on the full from the restart it should be left to the referee’s discretion to decide whether:
(a) If Law 10.2 (a) Intentionally Offending has occurred
(b) If Law 13.8 Kick offs/ Restarts has been fully complied with.
Observation:
The Laws relating to Kick Offs/Restarts for 15-a-side matches would benefit
immensely from the variation to Law 13.7, 13.8 and 13.9 currently operating for seven-a-side rugby, which are quite specific, in that, it is a free kick to the nonoffending team should a team infringe the above.
Ruling of the Designated Members of the Rugby Committee
The Designated Members have ruled that if there has been a score towards the end of the game and there is time for the kick off to take place but time will expire immediately after the kick and the kicker:
• Does not kick the ball ten metres
• Kicks the ball directly into touch
• Kicks the ball dead on or over the opponents touch-in-goal or dead ball
line
The referee will offer the non-offending team the options provided by Law 13.7, 13.8 and 13.9 respectively and the match continues until the ball next becomes dead.
Ruling: 2: 2010
Request from the WRU
The WRU request a Ruling related to time at the end of a match:
The request for a Ruling arises from the ending of two recent international
matches and is in relation to the way a restart takes place following the
referee’s communication that it is to be the “last play” of the match.
If the ball is kicked directly out on the full from the restart it should be left to the referee’s discretion to decide whether:
(a) If Law 10.2 (a) Intentionally Offending has occurred
(b) If Law 13.8 Kick offs/ Restarts has been fully complied with.
Observation:
The Laws relating to Kick Offs/Restarts for 15-a-side matches would benefit
immensely from the variation to Law 13.7, 13.8 and 13.9 currently operating for seven-a-side rugby, which are quite specific, in that, it is a free kick to the nonoffending team should a team infringe the above.
Ruling of the Designated Members of the Rugby Committee
The Designated Members have ruled that if there has been a score towards the end of the game and there is time for the kick off to take place but time will expire immediately after the kick and the kicker:
• Does not kick the ball ten metres
• Kicks the ball directly into touch
• Kicks the ball dead on or over the opponents touch-in-goal or dead ball
line
The referee will offer the non-offending team the options provided by Law 13.7, 13.8 and 13.9 respectively and the match continues until the ball next becomes dead.
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Posted by: theArmsPark.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2010 18:36
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Posted by: tony gee (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2010 21:35
Not sure why the law needs clarification. To intentionally kick the ball in to touch following a score is a penalty I thought. Has it ever changed?
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Posted by: Selgwent (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2010 23:36
A very sensible ruling by the IRB.
What a pity no-one else has seen fit to make the public (or even players and coaches) aware of it. No wonder so many are so ignorant.
No inferrence intended, but can I ask where you got the info from?
What a pity no-one else has seen fit to make the public (or even players and coaches) aware of it. No wonder so many are so ignorant.
No inferrence intended, but can I ask where you got the info from?
Re: This Week's random Law
Posted by: ATTR (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2010 01:21
A refs forum and A ref posted it on Gwlad. At some point the IRB will load it onto its website.
I knew on Monday at our society meeting that the WRU had raised the question to the IRB.
I knew on Monday at our society meeting that the WRU had raised the question to the IRB.
Re: This Week's random Law
Posted by: tony gee (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2010 06:22
Quote:ATTR
Not exactly.
When you say not exactly, I pressume you mean the refs inturpretation , was it deliberate. It is only an issue following the ref signal for last play. I have seen penalties given for deliberatly trowing the ball into touch and also throwing the ball out in the in goal area.
If the rule of ungentlemanly coduct can be enforced for shouting while charging down a kick(which is the law) then the same could be used for this action?
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Posted by: ATTR (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2010 08:20
Certainly ungentlemany conduct is always an option.
The law on the restart is strange this ruling give a common sense view to it.
A ruling said that the game will end if the ball goes straight into touch from a restart if time has expired (since incorporated into law). This gave an issue with some who felt it like a re-set (not new) scrum. Also it raised the issue of deliberate kicking into touch, and the fact that unlike an accidental knock on kicking into touch on a restart is not technically an offence!
So the Law had not changed but guidence on intterpretation had. This is logical.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010:03:13:21:55:04 by ATTR.
The law on the restart is strange this ruling give a common sense view to it.
A ruling said that the game will end if the ball goes straight into touch from a restart if time has expired (since incorporated into law). This gave an issue with some who felt it like a re-set (not new) scrum. Also it raised the issue of deliberate kicking into touch, and the fact that unlike an accidental knock on kicking into touch on a restart is not technically an offence!
So the Law had not changed but guidence on intterpretation had. This is logical.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010:03:13:21:55:04 by ATTR.
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Posted by: tony gee (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2010 08:46
Quote:ATTR
Certainly ungentlemany conduct is always an option.
The law on the restart is strange this ruling give a commomn sense view to it.
A ruling said that the game will end if the ball goes straight into touch from a restart if time has expired (since incorporated into law). This gave an issue with some who felt it like a re-set (not new) scrum. Also it raised the issue of deliberate kicking into touch, and the fact that unlike an accidental knock on kicking into touch on a restart is not technically an offence!
So the Law had not changed but guidence on intterpretation had. This is not logical.
So have I got it right that 13.7 to 13.9 will be applied even after last play called? If this was the case then the French game would not have finished so flat and atleast given 1 possible last chance. does this guidance come into imeddiate effect and can be applied today ?
Re: This Week's random Law
Posted by: Selgwent (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2010 13:22
Thanks ATTR.
It would be nice if the WRU / IRB gave fans the chance to be less ignorant.
It would be nice if the WRU / IRB gave fans the chance to be less ignorant.
Re: This Week's random Law
Posted by: ATTR (IP Logged)
Date: 13/03/2010 21:53
Quote:tony geeQuote:ATTR
Certainly ungentlemany conduct is always an option.
The law on the restart is strange this ruling give a commomn sense view to it.
A ruling said that the game will end if the ball goes straight into touch from a restart if time has expired (since incorporated into law). This gave an issue with some who felt it like a re-set (not new) scrum. Also it raised the issue of deliberate kicking into touch, and the fact that unlike an accidental knock on kicking into touch on a restart is not technically an offence!
So the Law had not changed but guidence on intterpretation had. This is logical.
So have I got it right that 13.7 to 13.9 will be applied even after last play called? If this was the case then the French game would not have finished so flat and atleast given 1 possible last chance. does this guidance come into imeddiate effect and can be applied today ?
Indeed, It could have come into force had Wales not already thrown it away!
