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Star Man: Rhys Patchell

By Andrew Collins
December 9 2012

Not even an excellent solo performance from Rhys Patchell was enough to prevent the Blues from their 3rd successive European defeat as Lloyd Williams gets an early red card.

It was another good effort by the young and depleted Blues side - who were missing Leigh Halfpenny, Bradley Davies, Sam Warburton, Jamie Roberts as well as a host of other squad members through injury – but yet again, outmuscled upfront and beaten at home.

More ambitious and dogged posters than I will tell you that anything other than a win is unsuccessful. This is, in my opinion, a fundamentally flawed notion which is currently being emphasised by this crop of hard-working, brave youngsters.

Despite losing Lloyd Williams just 25 minutes into the match and playing with 14 men, the boys were remarkably just 1 point behind at 65 minutes. Much that this success was owed to the brain and boot of Rhys Patchell, who is fast growing into a leading figure at outside half, demonstrating a variety of excellent kicks, keeping the French pinned back in their own half.

But ultimately, they were up against a better side who were able to finish off their chances and dominate the set piece.

Next week may be a real learning curve for some of these players, who will face a hostile and rampant Montpellier on their home patch. It could be a hard game for Blues fans to watch...

But it is this experience which will help them develop both individually and as a group.

Let’s hope they learn fast, as Christmas will present some big challenges, as well as opportunities.

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Montpellier Deny Young Blues
theArmsPark.co.uk (IP Logged)
09/12/2012 20:24
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Re: Montpellier Deny Young Blues
Kevin the goblin (IP Logged)
09/12/2012 21:56
All you learn by losing all the time is how to lose.Don't see how it helps players develop. You need to bring young players into a successful side for them to progress.

 
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Londonwelsh (IP Logged)
09/12/2012 21:56
Patchell had an excellent game. Apart from that intercepted pass he had a near perfect game. So refreshing to see a Welsh fly half play what's in front of him and kick intelligently. Rhys Preistland take note!

Unfortunate for Lloyd to get sent off. When I first saw it I did think it was a red card. Having watched a few replays back I think a yellow card would have been the right decision. Phil Davies had said the Blues may appeal if Lloyd is banned.

I thought Pretorius had a good game as well. I'm still not convinced about him at 8 but it was his best performance so far this season.

It was a brave effort by the boys given the circumstances but it is another loss and it means our remaining Heineken Cup matches are nothing more than dead rubber.

It'll be a long night for the Blues at Stade Yves-du-Manoir next Saturday.

 
Re: Montpellier Deny Young Blues
wales606 (IP Logged)
09/12/2012 22:12
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Kevin the goblin
All you learn by losing all the time is how to lose.Don't see how it helps players develop. You need to bring young players into a successful side for them to progress.

2 seasons ago the Scarlets lost everything and finished below the Dragons, only qualifying for the HC thanks to our Amlin victory.

Last season the Scarlets turned a few of those LBPs into wins, and finished 2nd of the Welsh regions

This season the Scarlets are second in the pro12.

Teams go through bad patches when they have to rebuild their teams.


It was a good performance today, if not for Lloyd William's idiocy we would have won. We really should have kept Ritchie Rees as none of our SHs are any good at the moment. Although in fairness I though Lewis Jones had one of his best performances off the bench.

We still need a strong scrummaging LHP, and could do with experience at 2 (Matthew Rees?), 8 (unless Pretorious continues to improve) and could use a big signing at lock. But I think a an influential scrum half like Pienaar would be as useful as any forward at the moment.

Patchell will be in the Wales squad

 
Re: Montpellier Deny Young Blues
ATTR (IP Logged)
09/12/2012 23:06
The red card was spot on. We don't have to like it it's there in Blackandwhite! The players know that they can't do that. THREE of our players in the last 15 months have done it; Warburton (RWC SF), Daies(I Vs W) and now Williams.

The only reason to appeal any ban is if it is over the "lower end tariff". I suggest Phil Davies concentrates on COACHING his charges instead of spouting such nonsense. The Ref got plenty wrong: The Scrum and the breakdown crucially. But not withstanding the fact that the Montpellier SH was OFFSIDE at the scrum we all must surely now know that the IRB says that the tackle made was illegal.


So why can't our players understand that?

I thought Patchell was terrific!

 
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Yup (IP Logged)
10/12/2012 09:33
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ATTR
The red card was spot on. We don't have to like it it's there in Blackandwhite! The players know that they can't do that. THREE of our players in the last 15 months have done it; Warburton (RWC SF), Daies(I Vs W) and now Williams.
The only reason to appeal any ban is if it is over the "lower end tariff". I suggest Phil Davies concentrates on COACHING his charges instead of spouting such nonsense. The Ref got plenty wrong: The Scrum and the breakdown crucially. But not withstanding the fact that the Montpellier SH was OFFSIDE at the scrum we all must surely now know that the IRB says that the tackle made was illegal.


So why can't our players understand that?

I thought Patchell was terrific!


Patchell was indeed a massive positive. His kicking out of hand and at goal was superb, the way he went up to Pretorius clapping his hand shouting come on to him late on in the game, he obviously cares a lot and we need that. My highlight though was when he gave the intercept pass he didnt just stand and watch he (yet again) chased down a winger.

 
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wales606 (IP Logged)
10/12/2012 10:31
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Yup
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ATTR
The red card was spot on. We don't have to like it it's there in Blackandwhite! The players know that they can't do that. THREE of our players in the last 15 months have done it; Warburton (RWC SF), Daies(I Vs W) and now Williams.
The only reason to appeal any ban is if it is over the "lower end tariff". I suggest Phil Davies concentrates on COACHING his charges instead of spouting such nonsense. The Ref got plenty wrong: The Scrum and the breakdown crucially. But not withstanding the fact that the Montpellier SH was OFFSIDE at the scrum we all must surely now know that the IRB says that the tackle made was illegal.


So why can't our players understand that?

I thought Patchell was terrific!


Patchell was indeed a massive positive. His kicking out of hand and at goal was superb, the way he went up to Pretorius clapping his hand shouting come on to him late on in the game, he obviously cares a lot and we need that. My highlight though was when he gave the intercept pass he didnt just stand and watch he (yet again) chased down a winger.

Seeing him catch a winger from behind again was incredible. Based on his few games this season, he is probably the best defensive flyhalf in Wales, and the quickest.

 
Re: Montpellier Deny Young Blues
bloogoo (IP Logged)
10/12/2012 12:17
Patchell was ace. If he makes an error, he certainly puts in the effort to rectify it. I just hope Wales, (if he's selected) don't ruin him!

 
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shrekogre (IP Logged)
10/12/2012 13:56
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bloogoo
Patchell was ace. If he makes an error, he certainly puts in the effort to rectify it. I just hope Wales, (if he's selected) don't ruin him!

Say goodbye to Patchell, he will now join team Wales and never be seen at club level again. So much for youth development.

 
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hands in the ruck (IP Logged)
10/12/2012 17:55
need some hard nosed nwq to guide the youngsters, as for the scarlets haven't they lost every HC game, the pro 12 in its current form is not the place to measure success

 
Re: Montpellier Deny Young Blues
fabric (IP Logged)
13/12/2012 18:36
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ATTR
The red card was spot on. We don't have to like it it's there in Blackandwhite! The players know that they can't do that. THREE of our players in the last 15 months have done it; Warburton (RWC SF), Daies(I Vs W) and now Williams.
The only reason to appeal any ban is if it is over the "lower end tariff". I suggest Phil Davies concentrates on COACHING his charges instead of spouting such nonsense. The Ref got plenty wrong: The Scrum and the breakdown crucially. But not withstanding the fact that the Montpellier SH was OFFSIDE at the scrum we all must surely now know that the IRB says that the tackle made was illegal.


So why can't our players understand that?

I thought Patchell was terrific!
Yep !
You got it spot on !

 
Re: Montpellier Deny Young Blues
robin58 (IP Logged)
15/12/2012 21:48
Played 4 lost 4 with Toulon away to come what are the chances of us beating Sale at home in January?

WE could well be out of the HEC next season. The games coming next will be vital for that I am not confident we will win either of them with all the injuies we have

Amlin next season !!

 
Re: Montpellier Deny Young Blues
wales606 (IP Logged)
15/12/2012 23:01
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robin58
Played 4 lost 4 with Toulon away to come what are the chances of us beating Sale at home in January?
WE could well be out of the HEC next season. The games coming next will be vital for that I am not confident we will win either of them with all the injuies we have

Amlin next season !!

We are still 6pts above the Dragons, and they are pretty dire too luckily.

Looks like the HC will be 1 win from 6 though, our worst performance ever I think (?)

 
Re: Montpellier Deny Young Blues
Londonwelsh (IP Logged)
16/12/2012 00:32
Just watched the highlights. 4 very soft tries conceeded.

Apparently we have the worst record in this competition for missed tackles.

As much as I admire Xav Rush for his service to the region it's clear he's out of his depth and incompetent as a defence coach.

Predictably Phil Davies spouting@#$%&about how brave we were and plenty of positives to take away.

We are such a poor team it's sad to see. We are hopeless.

 
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hands in the ruck (IP Logged)
16/12/2012 10:03
agreed, youngsters trying their best but they are way out of their depth unless we recruit this will be the norm for the foreseeable.

Well done to the O's

 
Re: Montpellier Deny Young Blues
wales606 (IP Logged)
16/12/2012 13:12
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Londonwelsh
Just watched the highlights. 4 very soft tries conceeded.
Apparently we have the worst record in this competition for missed tackles.

As much as I admire Xav Rush for his service to the region it's clear he's out of his depth and incompetent as a defence coach.

Predictably Phil Davies spouting@#$%&about how brave we were and plenty of positives to take away.

We are such a poor team it's sad to see. We are hopeless.

Yep, the defence yesterday was what Shaun Edwards has nightmares about.

 
Re: Montpellier Deny Young Blues
Blues Boy (IP Logged)
16/12/2012 14:46
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wales606

Yep, the defence yesterday was what Shaun Edwards has nightmares about.

I doubt very much whether SE has any nightmares - if he sees a problem, he generally fixes it. On the other hand, our defensive coach.............

 
Re: Montpellier Deny Young Blues
fabric (IP Logged)
16/12/2012 18:24
Davies' men have now lost 10 of their last 12 matches but he is convinced they can bounce back!!!!!!

 
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Londonwelsh (IP Logged)
16/12/2012 19:14
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fabric
Davies' men have now lost 10 of their last 12 matches but he is convinced they can bounce back!!!!!!

This is what annoys me about the man. Talks too much guff which simply doesn't wash with the supporters.

We could lose by 100 points and yet he would say "plenty of positives to take away" "worked hard", etc...

People can say what they want about Dai Young but when we were bad at least he had the balls to say so.

 
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fabric (IP Logged)
17/12/2012 07:20
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Londonwelsh
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fabric
Davies' men have now lost 10 of their last 12 matches but he is convinced they can bounce back!!!!!!



People can say what they want about Dai Young but when we were bad at least he had the balls to say so.
He did thats what i liked about Dai.

 
Re: Montpellier Deny Young Blues
hands in the ruck (IP Logged)
17/12/2012 10:17
not much the coach can say really, do you want him to say our players are crap, which would be the truth

 
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Londonwelsh (IP Logged)
17/12/2012 11:02
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hands in the ruck
not much the coach can say really, do you want him to say our players are crap, which would be the truth

Ha no I dont expect PD to say that but I do expect PD to be more honest and tell the players a few home truths.

I would have more respect if came out and said "that wasn't good enough" "We were poor" "players let themselves down etc.." "Our defence was dreadful"


Time to take off those rose tinted glasses please Phil.

 
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hands in the ruck (IP Logged)
17/12/2012 12:01
perhaps he does behind closed doors

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