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Shingler Wants To Play At 10


By Craig Muncey
July 15 2016

In a recent interview, new signing Steven Shingler stated he has joined Cardiff Blues as an outside half, but if he is needed elsewhere then that's what he will do. This piece looks at in my view, his chances of playing in the famous 10 shirt regularly, and if not playing regularly at 10, where I see this versatile back playing next season and beyond. Hope you enjoy.

Shingler Wants To Play At 10.

 

Steven Shingler has come to his new club and in his first interview as a Cardiff Blues player, stated he has joined the club as first and foremost as an outside half.  Shingler who is 25 years of age, accepted that there is serious competition in that area, but that is his desire, but if needed by the team is willing to play elsewhere.

Currently on Cardiff Blues books in the outside half position there is Welsh international Gareth Anscombe, young up and coming talent in Jarrod Evans, who is highly thought of, and also another new signing, Welsh international Matthew Morgan, who made his initial breakthrough, catching people's attention for The Ospreys at 10, but in recent years has played a lot of his rugby at 15.  So for Shingler to want to play regularly at 10, as he himself has admitted, is going to be a challenge, which the player to his credit, is looking forward to.

I am sure whenever Anscombe is available to play for Cardiff Blues, Warren Gatland will be keen for Danny Wilson to select him in the 10 position, as in my opinion, Gatland sees Anscombe as the main challenger to Dan Biggar for the 10 shirt for Wales in both the upcoming Autumn internationals and next year's Six Nations.  Also Jarrod Evans is a young man with real talent, so I am sure Cardiff Blues will be keen to give him game time whenever possible in matches, and manage his appearances accordingly, not to overload the young player.  As for Matthew Morgan, in my view, unless injuries dictate otherwise, I do not see him playing at 10 too often in matches for Cardiff Blues.  We may see him under new attacking and backs coach, Matt Sherratt, pop up as first receiver during matches, if defences are slow around fringes, or late on in games when defences are getting tired, but in terms of starting positions, I see Morgan playing full back or wing in his time at the club.

So where does this leave Steven Shingler? Well firstly I would say I like the player, in the times I have seen him play for Scarlets, London Irish and representing Wales at junior levels, he is a player who has a good set of skills, he has a decent pass, is a good size who makes his tackles, is versatile (which can be a curse for players sometimes), and I particularly like his kicking game, especially out of hand.  So in my view as a signing for Cardiff Blues, I think it is a good signing, he gives us options and provides good cover. As mentioned previously, due to his versatility, he can cover 10,12,13 and 15, so as a player, he is one who regularly could be making a match day 23.

In terms of his desire to start at 10, I do not see this happening too often. I just feel with Anscombe and Evans, they are ahead of him for that position.  His best opportunity will be when Anscombe is on Welsh duty, the battle between Shingler and Evans will be interesting to see who comes out on top.  Personally right now, I can see Evans starting, and Shingler either coming on to play at outside half, or moved from another position on the field into the outside half position.

The last line of the previous paragraph may give you an indication of where I believe we will see Shingler play the majority of his rugby for Cardiff Blues next season and beyond.  For me Shingler is a great fit in the 12 shirt at inside centre with Rey Leelo, Cory Allen or Willis Halaholo outside him.  Matt Sherratt I believe will look for Cardiff Blues to play real attacking rugby next season, and to try to get the ball wide with accurate passing next season especially at home, which to be fair, we did see last season.  Last season, Rhys Patchell and Gareth Anscombe had a great relationship at first and second receiver, and had the vision and passing ability to free up players outside them.  With Patchell gone, I see Shingler fulfilling that role.  Matthew Morgan may play at 15 regularly (I am sure Dan Fish will disagree), but Morgan for me is not an assist type player with his passing, he is more an individual who beats a player with his fleet of foot.  Shingler also will provide another option in defence as an exit kicker, or if the game demands, a player who can kick for territory.  At the moment, I still feel Anscombe when kicking out of hand can kick flat, and is running the risk of having kicks charged down.  In his defence, the opposition know when a kick is coming it's likely to be him kicking, so concentrate their attention on him, but with Shingler in the side, there is another kicking option, something he is more than capable of.

As at outside half, the battle for the centre positions will be fascinating, Cardiff Blues have some talent at their disposal, such as Rey Leelo, Willis Halaholo, Cory Allen, Hari Millard, Garyn Smith, Owen Lane and Shingler. So Cardiff Blues can chop and change as they see fit, seeing which partnerships works best. I fully expect the two they will want to try out the most initially will be Leelo and Halaholo, once Halaholo arrives on these shores.  Some real talent in those players, so could be exciting viewing.

In closing, I am not expecting Shingler to play every match for Cardiff Blues, but I do see him getting quite a few matches next season either starting or coming off the bench, again, in my view I think he will play more games off the bench than starting next season.  In terms of starting matches, I see him playing at 12 the most, but let's wait and see, I have been known to be wrong before!

What I do know is I as are many of you are looking forward to next season, and here is to a successful season for all concerned.

I hope you have enjoyed this article, please feel free to comment on whether you agree or disagree with my views either on the website, Facebook page or Twitter page, and see you at the games soon. Thanks all.

 

   

 

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Shinger Wants To Play At 10
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15/07/2016 08:46
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Re: Shinger Wants To Play At 10
cardiff_steve (IP Logged)
15/07/2016 14:14
Evans has ability but hasnt established himself yet. At this moment, I'd say Shingler is next in line after Anscombe. And with Anscombe on a NDC, there's a good chance we'll see plenty of Shingler at 10.

That said, I also think Shingler may be very useful at 12 or 15, if we want to try and replicate the second playmaker setup we had with patch at 15. Morgan cant replicate that, because as you say he's a different type of player.

 
Re: Shinger Wants To Play At 10
sionlikesmusic (IP Logged)
21/07/2016 11:36
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cardiff_steve
Evans has ability but hasnt established himself yet. At this moment, I'd say Shingler is next in line after Anscombe. And with Anscombe on a NDC, there's a good chance we'll see plenty of Shingler at 10.
That said, I also think Shingler may be very useful at 12 or 15, if we want to try and replicate the second playmaker setup we had with patch at 15. Morgan cant replicate that, because as you say he's a different type of player.

Same here, I think Shingler's the first choice backup for 10, but I don't think Morgan will feature there unless we're hit with injuries.

It's crazy what 12 months can do, to think that now we're having selection problems about who's going to fit where in our backline, it's a nice place to be!

 
Re: Shinger Wants To Play At 10
John talbot (IP Logged)
15/08/2016 09:02
Shingler will play 10 over Evans due to the fact they have payed £100k+ for him so it comes down to purely financial value for money! I understand he was already training with the main senior squad even before the Dragons game whilst Evans was left to train alongside the younger squad members! It looks a lot like money maps out the selection first then foremost! Shingler obviously has more experience but game time is needed for young Evans to improve as when did he feature in his last full game? The Drsgins friendly was farcical with such a young team starting against a dragons full team! Kingsley Jones got it right to build squad confidence in a friendly whilst Wilson penalised players by taking them off half time! Shingler had a far more dynamic set of players off the bench and combine that with fatigue and playing with the wind he was always going to perform better! What messages were being put into the field if things needed to change first half? None I presume as players were left to fail intentionally which brings me back to using this as a reason to cement Shinglers place! He wouldn't be put in the same position as the dragons game as the young players had to endure purely a financial plan mapped out a long time back! Am I wrong I don't think so as I have seen it all before!

 
Re: Shinger Wants To Play At 10
bluesmudge (IP Logged)
15/08/2016 10:55
Evans will get some game time from the bench (when either Anscombe/Shingler are injured or Anscombe with Wales) or starting in Anglo-Welsh matches.

Wilson stated that all of the squad will get a run-out between both friendlies. Not surprising that Wilson is choosing to field a full strength side at home against Bristol in the final game before the start of the season.

 
Re: Shinger Wants To Play At 10
cardiff_steve (IP Logged)
15/08/2016 11:50
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John talbot
Shingler will play 10 over Evans due to the fact they have payed £100k+ for him so it comes down to purely financial value for money! I understand he was already training with the main senior squad even before the Dragons game whilst Evans was left to train alongside the younger squad members! It looks a lot like money maps out the selection first then foremost! Shingler obviously has more experience but game time is needed for young Evans to improve as when did he feature in his last full game? The Drsgins friendly was farcical with such a young team starting against a dragons full team! Kingsley Jones got it right to build squad confidence in a friendly whilst Wilson penalised players by taking them off half time! Shingler had a far more dynamic set of players off the bench and combine that with fatigue and playing with the wind he was always going to perform better! What messages were being put into the field if things needed to change first half? None I presume as players were left to fail intentionally which brings me back to using this as a reason to cement Shinglers place! He wouldn't be put in the same position as the dragons game as the young players had to endure purely a financial plan mapped out a long time back! Am I wrong I don't think so as I have seen it all before!

Yes. Its all a plan to make players fail. FAIL DAMMIT! FAIL! FAIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!


Massive fail.

 
Re: Shinger Wants To Play At 10
wales606 (IP Logged)
15/08/2016 12:49
Considering our recent history with the no10 shirt, I am quite glad we have one quality player and a decent standard back-up in Shingler.

Shingler is no star, but he has played in good Scarlets teams, has started in European cup games and is certainly enough at pro12 level.

 
Re: Shinger Wants To Play At 10
John Talbot (IP Logged)
15/08/2016 16:02
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cardiff_steve
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John talbot
Shingler will play 10 over Evans due to the fact they have payed £100k+ for him so it comes down to purely financial value for money! I understand he was already training with the main senior squad even before the Dragons game whilst Evans was left to train alongside the younger squad members! It looks a lot like money maps out the selection first then foremost! Shingler obviously has more experience but game time is needed for young Evans to improve as when did he feature in his last full game? The Drsgins friendly was farcical with such a young team starting against a dragons full team! Kingsley Jones got it right to build squad confidence in a friendly whilst Wilson penalised players by taking them off half time! Shingler had a far more dynamic set of players off the bench and combine that with fatigue and playing with the wind he was always going to perform better! What messages were being put into the field if things needed to change first half? None I presume as players were left to fail intentionally which brings me back to using this as a reason to cement Shinglers place! He wouldn't be put in the same position as the dragons game as the young players had to endure purely a financial plan mapped out a long time back! Am I wrong I don't think so as I have seen it all before!

Yes. Its all a plan to make players fail. FAIL DAMMIT! FAIL! FAIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!


Massive fail.

 
Re: Shinger Wants To Play At 10
John Talbot (IP Logged)
15/08/2016 16:05
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cardiff_steve
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John talbot
Shingler will play 10 over Evans due to the fact they have payed £100k+ for him so it comes down to purely financial value for money! I understand he was already training with the main senior squad even before the Dragons game whilst Evans was left to train alongside the younger squad members! It looks a lot like money maps out the selection first then foremost! Shingler obviously has more experience but game time is needed for young Evans to improve as when did he feature in his last full game? The Drsgins friendly was farcical with such a young team starting against a dragons full team! Kingsley Jones got it right to build squad confidence in a friendly whilst Wilson penalised players by taking them off half time! Shingler had a far more dynamic set of players off the bench and combine that with fatigue and playing with the wind he was always going to perform better! What messages were being put into the field if things needed to change first half? None I presume as players were left to fail intentionally which brings me back to using this as a reason to cement Shinglers place! He wouldn't be put in the same position as the dragons game as the young players had to endure purely a financial plan mapped out a long time back! Am I wrong I don't think so as I have seen it all before!

Yes. Its all a plan to make players fail. FAIL DAMMIT! FAIL! FAIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!


Massive fail.

 
Re: Shinger Wants To Play At 10
John Talbot (IP Logged)
15/08/2016 16:09
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cardiff_steve
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John talbot
Shingler will play 10 over Evans due to the fact they have payed £100k+ for him so it comes down to purely financial value for money! I understand he was already training with the main senior squad even before the Dragons game whilst Evans was left to train alongside the younger squad members! It looks a lot like money maps out the selection first then foremost! Shingler obviously has more experience but game time is needed for young Evans to improve as when did he feature in his last full game? The Drsgins friendly was farcical with such a young team starting against a dragons full team! Kingsley Jones got it right to build squad confidence in a friendly whilst Wilson penalised players by taking them off half time! Shingler had a far more dynamic set of players off the bench and combine that with fatigue and playing with the wind he was always going to perform better! What messages were being put into the field if things needed to change first half? None I presume as players were left to fail intentionally which brings me back to using this as a reason to cement Shinglers place! He wouldn't be put in the same position as the dragons game as the young players had to endure purely a financial plan mapped out a long time back! Am I wrong I don't think so as I have seen it all before!

Yes. Its all a plan to make players fail. FAIL DAMMIT! FAIL! FAIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!


Massive fail.

 
Re: Shinger Wants To Play At 10
John Talbot (IP Logged)
16/08/2016 11:51
The use of the comment FAIL is in relation to not putting every player in a level playing field ! How can performance be equally measured if the players don't have the same players to work alongside to gauge performance!This forms an imbalance and really is unmeasurable when it comes to squad selection! I hope Evans gets desperately needed game time this season as he is a young man who needs to playing consistent high end rugby to improve and looking forward instead of moving backwards is one for the future!

 
Re: Shinger Wants To Play At 10
bluesmudge (IP Logged)
16/08/2016 15:47
Don't really what the problem is - he was never going to be first pick - he will get game time especially as Anscombe will be with Wales.

Suspect we may see Shingler at 12 and Evans at 10 in a few games as well.

What we should be reflecting on is that there appears to be some depth especially as 16 players (mostly first teamers) weren't used against Newport.

 
Re: Shinger Wants To Play At 10
Ben Blair's Right Peg (IP Logged)
17/08/2016 00:08
Not sure what this imbalance or priority is John? Maybe you could explain why you think that.
The whole squad all train together and clearly Wilson wanted to give all the youngsters game time against an experienced first team level Newport side.
Shingler should be given priority with first team games as he is the better player whether required at 10/12
I'd rather see Evans play lV games and backup Anscombe at the moment. He will learn a lot more this way rather than putting a bad performance in for 80 and regressing, young players need game time at the right times not just simply as much time as possible

 
Re: Shinger Wants To Play At 10
sionlikesmusic (IP Logged)
17/08/2016 15:40
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John Talbot
Shingler will play 10 over Evans due to the fact they have payed £100k+ for him so it comes down to purely financial value for money! I understand he was already training with the main senior squad even before the Dragons game whilst Evans was left to train alongside the younger squad members! It looks a lot like money maps out the selection first then foremost! Shingler obviously has more experience but game time is needed for young Evans to improve as when did he feature in his last full game? The Drsgins friendly was farcical with such a young team starting against a dragons full team! Kingsley Jones got it right to build squad confidence in a friendly whilst Wilson penalised players by taking them off half time! Shingler had a far more dynamic set of players off the bench and combine that with fatigue and playing with the wind he was always going to perform better! What messages were being put into the field if things needed to change first half? None I presume as players were left to fail intentionally which brings me back to using this as a reason to cement Shinglers place! He wouldn't be put in the same position as the dragons game as the young players had to endure purely a financial plan mapped out a long time back! Am I wrong I don't think so as I have seen it all before!

Not really sure why you're flying into being so negative after one pre-season friendly. The whole point of these kinds of games is to bring up the squad's match fitness and to give younger/new players experience of playing in the first team.

Just because the Dragons put out a first team and Evans was subbed for Shingler at HT (again, no idea why this came as a surprise or a shock to you) doesn't mean it's time to despair.

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