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England Saxons v Scotland A
By Cir Mhor
May 27 2007
England Saxons have named four of Wasps' Heineken Cup-winning side in the team for Monday's Churchill Cup clash against Scotland A at Twickenham. Jim Mallinder will be hoping that England can continue the good work they put in against the USA last week. Cir Mhor previews the match for us...

How did a Scot end up previewing England ‘A’ (like many people I can’t bring myself to use the ‘Saxons’ name) versus Scotland ‘A’ for an England Rugby message board?   That’s a story in itself, but an even better question would be ‘How does someone who really isn’t a fan of international rugby, outside of the latter stages of the RWC every four years or an occasional 6N match, end up previewing a Churchill Cup game?’.  Whereas I have a very strong antipathy towards the meaningless summer tours that Northern Hemisphere countries undertake, I like the Churchill Cup as it seems to me to actually have a purpose.  It’s an opportunity for Canada and the USA to play international rugby, something that can only help their development, and it gives up-and-coming English and Scottish players an opportunity to show their talents – of course by adding the Maori it ensures a Southern Hemisphere victory and we all know that it’s a God-given right for anyone in a black shirt to win everything!  I’m less convinced of the rationale that puts the likes of soon-to-be-retired Neal Hatley in the team but I guess that there’s still a place for sentiment in the game, and it’s a fair reward for his efforts over the years.


Let’s start with the obvious: Scottish professional rugby is in a dire state and it can only get worse.  Its heartland lies in the Border towns and in the public schools of Edinburgh, but with the Borders professional team disbanded and the Glasgow and Edinburgh sides being barely supported by a football-loving Scottish public, a further downward spiral seems inevitable.  (When Glaws played Embra in the HC this year the travelling support outnumbered the home fans, and we rattled around in Murrayfield – all crammed into one stand so that the Sky cameras opposite us could give the appearance of there being a crowd!).

The history behind teams like Gala, Hawick, Kelso, Melrose and Selkirk is immense:  small towns, in some cases with populations of less than 10,000, that turned out huge numbers of Scottish internationals and British Lions over the years.  The Borders was the Scottish equivalent of the Welsh Valleys or the West Country – a rugby hotbed and through the mismanagement of the game it has pretty well all gone – a total disgrace.   For those who criticise the RFU, trust me, it would be so much worse if you had the SRFU running the game!

However, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t good Scottish players and the side that Frank Hadden has put out has a strong-looking feel to it despite there being eleven changes from the team that struggled to put away the USA.  The backs in particular look quite tasty but how much chance they’ll get to show their skills depends on whether the pack can hold its own.  As a Glaws fan I’ll be watching Alasdair Strokosch at 6 and replacement prop Alasdair Dickinson with particular interest as they’ll be stepping up to the GP next season.


The trouble for the Scots is that the England ‘A’ side looks much stronger on paper than the one that beat the USA in such convincing style.  That win was built on the strength of the pack and the addition of James Haskell isn’t going to make it any weaker!  It was the front five that did the damage to the USA and they remain in place.  The backs have been reshuffled pretty comprehensively with Paul Sackey, Tom Voyce, Danny Cipriani, Olly Barkley and Nick Abendanon all coming in.  If the pack performs as expected there could be plenty of opportunities for each of them to shine.  From a parochial point of view I’ll be watching keenly when the young Glaws prop, Jack Forster, gets his chance to come off the bench – the lad’s a real talent and could well be the England tighthead come the 2011 RWC.

However you look at it the Scots seem to be in for a long, old afternoon, and I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see England run riot.  The only hopes I see for Scotland ‘A’ are the weather which might get in the way (remember the 2000 Calcutta Cup!), and the fact that the game against England ‘A’ is the only one that really matters to the Scots – they’d happily accept being stuffed by anyone if they could just see off the ‘auld enemy’ – and this might just enable their forwards to make a contest of it for a while!  Logic dictates than England ‘A’ wins and wins well – I reckon by more than twenty points. 

 

England Saxons: Abendanon (Bath), Sackey (Wasps), Sorrell (Saracens), Barkley (Bath), Voyce (Wasps); Cipriani (Wasps), Wigglesworth (Sale); Hatley (London Irish, capt), Paice (London Irish), Brooks (Northampton), Blaze (Worcester), Evans (Harlequins), Haskell (Wasps), Skinner (Harlequins), Dowson (Newcastle).
Replacements: Thompson (Newcastle), Forster (Gloucester), Mercey (Saracens), Croft (Leicester), Crane (Leicester), Dickson (Newcastle), Mordt (London Irish).

Scotland A: Rory Lamont (Glasgow), Danielli (Borders), Kydd (Northampton), De Luca (Borders), Webster (Edinburgh); Godman (Edinburgh), McMillan (Wasps); Smith (Edinburgh), Thomson (Glasgow), Kalman (Borders), Hall (Dragons), Rennie (Bourgoin), Strokosch (Edinburgh), Beattie (Glasgow), Macfadyen (Glasgow, capt).
Replacements: Lawson (Glasgow), Dickinson (Edinburgh), Hamilton (Borders), Barclay (Glasgow), Chrystie (Borders), Morrison (Glasgow), MacRae (Borders).

 

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27 May, 2007 12:25 Report
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27 May, 2007 13:50 Report
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Another example of the England management messing things up, as I understand it the Saxons is meant to be a devoptment 15 to give players on the fringe of international call ups a chance to prove themselves, then why bring in 3 players who have already played for England (Sackey,Voyce and Barkley).

We know that Sackey should be starting for the 1st team and that Barkley is a good back up player and Voyce is rubbish at international level, so what can they prove playing for the Saxons, especially when you drop 3 up and coming English youngsters (yes they are from Irish), did these players that got dropped not score 3 tries in the win over USA, I would like to know what goes through the England managements minds.

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27 May, 2007 13:59 Report
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Cir Mhor,

Thanks for your review of Scotland 'A'. No, seriously I am pleased that you have highlighted the plight of the Border Clubs. It does, or at least should, matter to all the rugby world that this once hotbed of rugby has been allowed to go fail. No doubt the Bazerati at the SRFU are able to give 'reasons' why this has happened. Hang your heads in shame, you people at the SRFU.

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27 May, 2007 14:03 Report
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exile, your London Irish bias is becoming even more glaring. The saxons isn't only about developmental players, it's about giving players game time in an England shirt at a reduced level before making the step up to the full side.

I'm assuming you weren't complaining about Geraghty playing for the Saxons.

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27 May, 2007 14:41 Report
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tigeroo your right I wasnt complaining about Geraghty playing for the saxons as he is still young and developing, and also he missed the last six weeks of the season due to injury, so he wouldnt of been ready for the physiacal springboks, but as you said would give him game time at a slightly higher level. But why put Sackey in and risk him getting a injury before the WC, in my eyes he would get in the 1st team anytime.

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Why drop Crane for Dowson? Genrally a good side, should do well.

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29 May, 2007 10:31 Report
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Is anyone who managed to see the game going to do a review? All I can gather from the small reviews elsewhere was that it was all pretty forgettable?

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29 May, 2007 11:02 Report
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I can give you my utterly unbiased ratings -

15 - Abendanon - 8/10 - Why a lower mark than the mental ravings from some papers? Well, he looked good against a pretty dire opposition when attacking but made some nasty mistakes for a full back - dropping 2 out of the 3 high balls he went for and not kicking amazingly well. He did show his undoubted skills going forward and I think he and Brown will battle it out for some years to come for the 15 shirt.

14 - Sackey - 3/10 - Shocking. Dropped everything, got nowhere and added little.

13 - Sorrell - 7/10 - Tackled very hard and ran very hard. A good reward for a faithful club servant, but he'll never make the full team.

12 - Barkley - 5/10 - Not exactly putting his hand up for selection for the main team. Kicked reasonably well but offered little threat.

11 - Voyce 4.5/10 - Again, showed why he is a great club player but lacks something at international level.


10 - Cipriani - 5.75/10 - Showed some nice touches and passes, but is non-existent in the tackle and takes an age to get the ball away when kicking. However, considering he's only played 4 matches at 10 in his professional career, aquitted himself well.

9 - Wigglesworth - 6/10 - Why do scrum halves persist in box kicking if they can't do it? Otherwise, a fair enough game.

1 - Hatley - 6/10 - Scummaged merrily away and can retire with some nice memories.

2 - Paice - 6.5/10 for everything except the lineout which was 2/10 - Throwing in was dire but took a nice forwards' try (no doubt by now in his memory he has beaten three men on the outside, stepped inside the despairing full back and blazed under the posts for a showboat dive).

3 - Brooks - 6/10 - Whatever he was doing seemed to annoy the Scottish front row. Looks like a good prospect for Quins.

4 - Blaze - 7.5/10 - I hadn't seen this chap before and was only dimly aware of him through his wacky name. He was impressive.

5 - Evans - 7/10 - He'll never appear for the main team but obviously enjoyed his day out.

6 - Haskell - 7/10 - Another good experience for him. Quite useful but his hands need to improve for him to be totally at ease on the biggest stage.

7 - Skinner - 6.5/10 - Proved that he has been learning the black arts of back row play at the altar of Neil Back and Paul Volley. A naughty little man.

8 - Dowson - 7.5/10 - Looked good, but again, how decent were Scotland A. He has the potential to go all the way and if he has a good season for Newcastle next year, I can see him forcing his way into the England squad for the 2008 6 Nations as Easter's a stop gap 8, Ward-Smithhas now got the type of injury that robs players of their pace and vigour and no one else seems inclined to put their hands up (Skirving?)

Replacements: Thompson, Forster, Mercey, Croft, Crane, Dickson, Mordt. - Much of a muchness. Crane was not too good.

Ultimately, this was a bit of a daft match as Scotland A were poor and essentially some of people you'd expect the real Saxons team were being slaughtered by the Springboks two days earlier.

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29 May, 2007 11:19 Report
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I saw the game live and freezing.

I agree with most of BRW. I thought no one put there hand up to be considered for the senior side. I like Sackey, but agree he was appaling.

Dowson was solid again. I would have only given Abendanon a 7 thou. His kicking was mediocre.

Voyce didn't get any ball to show what he can do. The Scots were pretty poor opponenets and Saxons should have put 30+ past them.

And boy was it cold.

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I would say that motivation always seems to be an issue with Sackey, which to some extent you can understand. One week it's 80,000, sunshnie and the biggest game of club rugby in Europe ever, yesterday it was a few thousand, cold & wet and playing a bunch of Scotland 2nd raters.

I wonder if he was minded, as I was, of some of his latter games for LI; dour game, mostly empty stadium, cold/wet and Sacks can't be @rsed.

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To be fair to the wasps boys i think they has quite a heavy week last week after their HEC win. Cipriani didn't have a great day defensively but he did against the Tiggers with one, one on one tackle on Tuilangi.

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