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STEVE'S BLOG The Musings Of A Grumpy Old Prop.

Old Prop Steve
By OPS
May 7 2009
Back in the dark ages when I was still a player, that fondly remembered old Cornish referee, Tommy May, once remarked to me (after a long shrill blast of his whistle) that I could probably start a fight in a graveyard. Well those days are long gone but now I hope to introduce a topic each week which will stimulate some thought and spirited debate on a particular current rugby issue.

STEVE'S BLOG - The Musings Of A Grumpy Old Prop.
Reproduced with the permission of the Cornish Pirates
May 7th 2009

Steve's Blog will be a feature of the new Pirates website (coming soon), but for now everyone will have chance to read & join in here

Old Prop Steve

Some people will inevitably disagree with me - indeed I hope they do - but if, by the time the next blog appears, people visiting this site have had the opportunity of reflecting upon and debating the points raised then I will feel I have done my job. So here goes


Fourteen years of professionalism and regulation - are we any better for it?

After a century of furiously defending the amateur ethos of the game the powers-that-be on the IRB at the time suddenly announced in 1995 that the game was to be an open one. For many of us that seems like only yesterday but for thousands - if not millions - of today's players and indeed younger spectators they have never known anything else.

Although the announcement itself was sudden it had been coming for a number of years but nevertheless caught many by surprise. Before then top players all had full time jobs and one of the interesting things about thumbing through an England programme was reading that Richard Hill was a schoolmaster and that Gareth Chilcott was a 'security consultant' - think we all know what that was.

There was also a fair bit of snobbery about the sport and much was made in the programme of where somebody went to school. When the then England captain, John Spencer, was itemized as being from Sedbergh and Queens College, Cambridge, our own Stack Stevens retaliated by stating he went to Leedstown 'High School'. When challenged on just what was 'High' about it he replied that it 'was on the top of a bleddy hill wasn't it!'

 

All that old nonsense has been swept away and most would agree that this was not before time. But other - to my mind precious - things have also gone out in the wash. There is absolutely no denying that at the very top level players are exponentially fitter, better coached and with skill levels which amateurs could only dream about. Similarly facilities, media coverage and refereeing are light years ahead of where we were before.

Competitive leagues have brought increased focus to each match and there is now a successful meritocracy allowing clubs like the Pirates and Mounts Bay to climb up to play a much higher standard than would ever have been possible before. Indeed this has been so successful that the 'haves' repeatedly try to shut out the challenges of the 'have nots' from below by fair means or foul. In the GPL this means shallow ruses like 'ring fencing and 'entry criteria' both of which should be seen for what they are - crude attempts at cartels. Similarly at international level those brave souls from Argentina have been treated just as shamefully by the IRB as the Division One clubs have by the RFU. The reasons? Fear, short-termism and money.

For hundreds of clubs and thousands of amateur players the case seems far less compelling. When I was a player - and indeed until quite recently - a man joined a club and, unless he was away at college or left the area altogether, going to another club was almost unthinkable. If a player was dropped from the Chiefs (Pirates' name for the First XV), he played cheerfully for the second team or indeed the third team. The idea of decamping off to Redruth or Hayle in a huff never crossed most people's minds. You just stuck with your mates and tried to win your place back.

The 'easy come-easy go' approach also meant that players could come into a side to make up the numbers without worrying about registrations, having points docked and all those other mournful things which are part and parcel of even quite junior matches today. The result is sadly that less people get an opportunity to play and - by extension - less rugby is actually played.

I recall once being sat on the wall overlooking Mousehole harbour one September afternoon in the late 1960's eating a very large bag of chips. Some visiting rugby players obviously recognized my prematurely gleaming head and knew I was a local prop forward. They came over and asked me to play that evening as they had suffered a few injuries and couldn't raise a side.

When I asked who they were they said they were the 'Public School Wanderers' and were due to play against Penryn in about four hours time. They airily brushed aside my observation that Humphry Davy wasn't quite a 'Public School' with the comment "Oh gosh we get all sorts these days" which did not cheer me up very much…. particularly as they then polished off the rest of my chips.

Anyway, I duly played in a thoroughly enjoyable match and was thanked by both committees for stepping in at the last moment so that the game could take place on a lovely September evening. Nowadays everyone would be so tied up with red tape that it could never happen.

Is this progress ?

 

 

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STEVE'S BLOG
Posted by: Unofficial Pirates (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2009 15:22

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Posted by: DJ Pirate (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2009 16:50

Another great story from Steve, of which I have had the pleasure of travelling with to many away games this season, and being treated to other great stories.

Depending at what level you play at this day of age, there is still great team spirit between teams. As I have ended up playing for the other side due to the teams turning up short, and so that a fair game is played being loaned.

I Always seem to find myself a great target by my own team when I have the ball, with each player lining up to have there shot at me. The worst is when playing on the other side, and being on the winning side.

looking forward to many more of Steve's Blogs, and can't wait for the book too.

Re: STEVE'S BLOG
Posted by: crowlasboy (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2009 17:21

Food, food, food..............chips in the 1960`s.....legendary lunches now.........it was all planned, wasn`t it??!!!

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Posted by: crowlasboy (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2009 17:24

Those Public School chaps obviously suffered the injuries you refer to by nicking food from the opposition. A despicable crime.

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Posted by: blazie pirate (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2009 18:17

Great story OPS looking forward to the next installment.
You wouldnt need to worry about some public school toffs nicking your chips now the ?hit hawks would be there first.(Sm128)

Re: STEVE'S BLOG
Posted by: *Stalwart (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2009 19:27

Great stuff, Steve. As you say, things have changed a great deal with the advent of professional rugby and not all for the better. One of the good things, though, is that "shamateurism" has been banished. I'm sure your point about players being more loyal to their clubs in the old days is largely true. But some guys did move about and "poaching" was rife. I remember being really fed up when players left Pirates to go to St Ives or Redruth, especially if they had come through our youth teams. Many, of course had genuine reasons for switching to another club. The great Stack Stevens, quite rightly, went to Harlequins for a short time, got his England place and came home again!
We lived in Wales for a few years in the 70s and players regularly moved around between Swansea, Neath, Llanelli and
Cardiff - and it's pretty clear it was being made worth their while financially or in kind (nice cushy job, car etc).
Your point on club loyalty, though, is true of the vast majority and this was epitomised by the legendary Roger Pascoe who played a staggering 1000+ games for The Pirates.

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Posted by: woll (IP Logged)
Date: 08/05/2009 10:13

I love to hear how things were and Steve's (and others) recollections help to build up a visual image to remind and educate in equal measure.

In answer to Steve's parting question - there is no definitive answer. Progress is relative to any number of criteria though on the whole I'd say it is a better game than the one that I first tentively got involved with in the mid 1970's.

For that I must thank my old Welsh English teacher, a Mr Knott, who kept trying to persuade me to put myself forward for the school XV. After playing in a couple of 7's competitions and loving it; I did.

I was nippy and could keep running tirelessly and was tenacious in contact. That said, rugbys main role for me was to toughen me up for my main sport; the round ball game. No use today of course as they're not allowed to tackle anymore, but it did work to a degree and got me playing U19 representitive footie at 14 and one or two trials for local pro clubs (Sarfend, Orient).

My dream of playing pro sport sadly didn't materialise but what Steve's blog posting reminded me of was, thoughts I had had at the time. If only there had been a career path into rugby union as I'd have geared my efforts towards that instead. The positives post 95 then is that youngsters with a talent can, with no less amounts of effort, committment and luck take a professional path. Where many would gain though is understanding a lot more, the passion and love for the game that there amatuer predessessors displayed. More would then win the hearts and minds of their supporters without even having to open their mouths.

Looking forward to the next rambling Steve thumbs down

If you're going through hell...keep going

Re: STEVE'S BLOG
Posted by: marshy (IP Logged)
Date: 08/05/2009 11:33

Great stuff Steve.
That's why i'm so grumpy x front row/hooker when hookers actually hooked. Thet explains why Curnow is so grumpy, front row.
In those god old days, the winger threw the line out ball and the hooker stood at the front

Re: STEVE'S BLOG
Posted by: Wigston Pirate (IP Logged)
Date: 08/05/2009 11:46

Superb blog steve. Recalls how things operated all those years ago. Can recall when I first arrived in Leicester with certain Tiger players working at insurance companies and playing a game part time. Also Dusty Hare carrying on with his trade as a pig farmer and Dean Richards on the motorway Police. Steve Johnson was an inspector at Charles Street Police station. Where I worked in retail Security at this time he would pop in for the odd crafty fag. A lot has changed for the better I believe but as with all we hark back to the good old days. Today so much bureacracy for sports and all of us.

Look forward to your next blog. Terrific.

(Sm109)

Re: STEVE'S BLOG
Posted by: Expat Pirate (IP Logged)
Date: 11/05/2009 12:37

Great article, Steve !!! Gets one thinking .....

In my opinion, the arrival of the professional game has certainly sorted out the imbalance between the Northern and the Southern hemispheres on the international front. In particular, the Home Unions can now compete on an equal footing with the Springboks, All Blacks and Wallabies who for many years had been (covertly) paying and supporting their players.

On the Club front, like Stalwart, I also lived in South Wales for a time, late eighties. As he says, it was not uncommon for “transfers” between Llanelli (Scarlets), Neath (the All Blacks), Swansea (the Whites), Cardiff, Newport or Pontypridd. At that time, I was a Neath supporter and so remember a couple of the most famous transfers. Jonathan Davies who was born in Trimsaran, just west of Llanelli, was turned down by them so went to Neath, where he developed into a world-class player before “going home” to the predominantly Welsh-speaking Llanelli. Dai Pickering, the current WRU Chairman, made the move the other way, from Llanelli to Neath. This mobility did not really affect the great “tribalism” or local rivalry of the Welsh club game.

All in all, I think that professionalism has helped to grow the club game. It has legitimised the movement of players from country to country, and has allowed many a supporter to see world-class players on a regular basis at a club level. However, for me the big negative is that professionalism permits the big clubs to stifle young talent by stockpiling them on the bench. Surely, many clubs seek to control young talent, not develop it. They just want to prevent rival clubs from accessing them. The result is that many do not get game-time and, if they are lucky, spend a season or two warming the bench. Scott Hobson is a prime example. At the Pirates, Scott was able to start a number of games and get on the field as replacement, to show what he was capable of. Since he has been at Bath, he has not started a game and has had two spells as a replacement. The loan to CABs gave him no game-time at all. I sincerely hope that Darren Dawidiuk does not share the same fate at Gloucester.

I do not know the answer, but I hope that the RFU will look into ways of making sure that ALL talent is used and not just acquired and stockpiled.

Re: STEVE'S BLOG
Posted by: cheshire exile (IP Logged)
Date: 11/05/2009 18:39

Expat-I agree with your comments re younger players but unfortunately[IMHO] the RFU think they have found the answer; introduce the "dual registration" scheme whereby players from Premiership Academies can switch to Nat 1 /Nat 2 clubs on a week by week basis.

This in my view does little for the loyalty of supporters and, particularly in the semi pro environment of Nat 2, is likely to cause resentment amongst loyal clubmen[ like those Steve refers to ] who can be left out at short notice to accomodate an aspiring tyro from a Premiership club.

For example, towards the end of this season Rory Clegg came off the bench for Newcastle Falcons on a Friday night and the following afternoon played for Tynedale against Redruth.

The RFU seems to want to take this even further by formalising "twinning" arrangements between Prem and new Championship clubs.
The Premiership clubs have resisted this, partly I suspect because their first inclination to to say "no" to any suggestion emanating from the RFU.

PS. On the subject, raised by Steve, of points docked due to registration errors, we have ludicrous examples like Kendal being docked points this season for not having registered a long term clubman, now playing for their seconds or thirds, who was drafted onto the bench for a Nat 3N league game and who did not even get onto the pitch.

When volunteer administrators are faced with this sort of ridiculous petty bureaucracy, one can hardly blame them if they decide to spend their time doing something else.

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Posted by: truropirate (IP Logged)
Date: 12/05/2009 19:26

Good reading Steve brings bask some good memory's of touring sides in this part of the world and reminds me of playing 3 games over easter. And Tommy May I remember taking to him after he refereed me in the clubhouse bar when an opposition player came up and said that he was not offside after a discussion Tommy said by the way you went offside but you tongue was! The player laughed and went on his way with a smile on his face.

Re: STEVE'S BLOG
Posted by: black and gold (IP Logged)
Date: 12/05/2009 20:27

Great stuff Steve, looking forward to the next musing already!

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