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Play-off 1 - Nothing for the Chiefs

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By Exeforever
March 21 2010
Exeter get nothing from their 1st pool game and have an uphill struggle to gain a semi-final place.

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Match Review 

EXE-CRABLE PERFORMANCE AS CHIEFS ARE TIED IN NOTTS AND DUMPED IN THE DEPTHS OF THE POOL

I could start this review by saying that there are 25 points left to play for, 15 will probably get you into the semis so what’s to worry about?

Or I could, and will, say:

This was defeat, raw, uncompromising, gut churning defeat. It cannot (and must not) be spun as “a bad day at the office” or “plucky underdogs turning over a favourite”, nor will you hear from me any complaints about refereeing or dual registered players.

This was the day that Exeter’s promotion pretensions were weighed in the balance and found to be not hopes, not aspirations, but pretensions now ruthlessly exposed by a Nottingham side that out thought us, out muscled us, out played us and out wanted the victory. A club with Exeter’s budget, stadium and setup should simply not be able to be swept aside for 60 minutes in the way that Nottingham swept us aside this afternoon, that, not where we may be in five weeks time, is what was so profoundly disturbing about today and is why the coaching staff can no longer hide behind the mantra of judging them at the end of the playoffs because if we have another debacle like today the end of the playoffs will be on April 17th not even May 1st.

Nottingham out thought us by realising the weakness of our defence leaving the unfortunate Matt Jess to try to tackle a 5 on 1 overlap at least twice. They outmuscled us at the scrum and by disturbing our lineout to the extent that we lost 3 throws on the trot, they outplayed us by three tries to none and they nilled us in the second half. The reaction of Nottingham’s coaches, bench and players at the end looked as if they had won the Heineken Cup, not one game in a six game series.

It is true that we could still top our Pool and the playoffs in general if we picked up 21 of the next 25 points however the coaches at both Donny and LW will be salivating to get their hands on the video nasty of today because, in truth, Nottingham did nothing more than the simple things and did them well. Exe over exaggerated, the last pass rarely went to hand, almost all of the possession won was kicked away (and run gratefully back by the Nottingham backs), we missed tackles (for their first try) were unable to defend the rolling maul and were utterly brainless when camped on their line, pick and stop, pick and stop, players without support going nowhere. We spent close to 10 minutes at the end on their line achieving nothing so why not a simple pass, a drop goal then back to the middle to start the assault again but oh no, pick and stop, pick and stop… (you get the picture).

On a more positive note well done to the away tribe who (unlike the players) competed with their Nottingham counterparts for the duration. A paltry crowd of 1,072 of whom at least 150 must have been from Exeter demonstrated the folly of Nottingham holding Premiership aspirations. If they can’t get them in with a BOGOF offer for members and for a game that their head coach had talked up to the skies I cannot (with the best will in the world) see how they think they are going to get Prem size crowds to support their ambition?

What can be done about Exeter?
1) Leadership. There was none out there today, it doesn’t even need to be on the field these days, with the water breaks it is easy for messages to be got to the players.
2) Selection. Marsden has to come back at 15, he commands the back 3 and controls the defence. Chad Slade played well but Johnson gives us another ball carrying dimension and we need to score tries, lots of them, more than the other side do.
3) Tactics. no kicking unless you’ve got 3 men in your face, then kick. (Steenson kicked 3 times in a row today then as soon as he had 3 men in his face tried to run out of his own 22). You cannot score tries if you aren’t carrying the ball. It isn’t rocket science.
4) Go back to basics and get them right. Executing simple plays, not trying to force the pace, taking the tackles or better still offloading the ball, setting up ruck ball and then running and passing the thing (not box kicking straight to their elusive and speedy wingers). That’s what wins games because that way you score more points than the opposition.
5) Coaches and players need to wake up and start earning the very substantial amounts that you are being paid at least in part out of the pockets of hard working people who want to take pride in their club’s achivements, not be embarrassed and infuriated in the way that we were today.

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21 Mar, 2010 22:16 Report
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21 Mar, 2010 22:31 Report
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From what I have read you have completely misunderstood the importance of this win for Nottingham. You criticise them as a club, you criticise their fans when really Exeter had a poor game and lost. That is what is important, not how the fans, players and coaches celebrated nor the size of the crowd and Nottinghams' Premiership ambitions. You speak like you have the divine right to be promoted however, with that performance and the arrogance of you and your club I hope you miss out and stay where you belong. T!T.

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21 Mar, 2010 22:47 Report
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Spot on. Agree with everything you say Exeforever

Show the coaches the Glos/ Northampton game, that'll give them some idea about how to play rugby including passion, skill and determination

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21 Mar, 2010 22:54 Report
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It's quite interesting that today is Passion Sunday as far as the Church is concerned and we saw both aspects of the word on and off the pitch. Nottingham displayed passion in the generally understood sense of the word whilst we Exe supporters suffered Passion in the Latin sense of the word ie to suffer!

We go to Doncaster on Holy Saturday, if you'll forgive the loose spelling let's hope that it is Donny's defence not ours that is holey!!

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21 Mar, 2010 23:01 Report
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Great review Exeforever I agree with everything you say (I dont always!)

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22 Mar, 2010 08:20 Report
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an empassioned review - well done, I have to add that my crystal ball has been predicting this for a while, all season we have kicked and kicked whilst having some great running backs, it is sad that as a forward the coach cannot see past pack play. There are still 5 games to go but it appears we have to have a major re think and maybe a few @#$%& need a kicking and we need to re think some of the selections.

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22 Mar, 2010 09:44 Report
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A review that is both passionate and clinical. Shame that Tim Murray reads it so differently. We are always panned for being arrogant and assuming we have the right to see the Chiefs promoted but when we tell it like it is and say we played Oh So badly, watching the opposition run rings around us, we're still panned for arrogance. I'm starting to think we should take such comments as a sort of back handed praise but of course, such thoughts would indicate arrogance again wouldn't they?(Sm26) Are we so arrogant or are we just loyal supporters who want to see the best from their team?

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22 Mar, 2010 09:48 Report
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My thanks to Exeforever for a supporter's view of yesterday. The Chiefs may have gained nothing from yesterday but a combination of a bad result and a 'provocative' review pushed The Tribe to number 3 in the Sportnetwork rugby sites list with just under 22,000 hits.

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22 Mar, 2010 09:57 Report
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a 'provocative' review pushed The Tribe to number 3 in the Sportnetwork rugby sites list with just under 22,000 hits.

At least one positive from yesterday then!!! Well done "The Tribe" smileys with beer

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22 Mar, 2010 10:09 Report
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I felt embarrassed too,seldom have I come away from a game not being able to take anything from it,and all after we had given them terrific support.GUTTED

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22 Mar, 2010 10:50 Report
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Fantastic Review exeforever. Very honest and deservedly praises Notts.

Tim Murray - what review were you reading?

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22 Mar, 2010 10:51 Report
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Well done Nottingham great performance and a deserved win, i just cant get my head around the crowd of just 1000.

Unfortunately i was unable to get to the game but followed it on twitter walking around B&Q!!. Obviously it is disapointing that this happened but the thing that concerns me more (after reading many reviews) is that we have reverted to the boring and predictable play that we saw every week until 5 or 6 games ago Kick kick kick......

PLEASE! stop this and give the bloody ball to the backs and lets play like we know we can play. We will rebound from this defeat, and i still feel that we will top the group.

Roll on saturday

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22 Mar, 2010 11:03 Report
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You speak like you have the divine right to be promoted however, with that performance and the arrogance of you and your club I hope you miss out and stay where you belong. T!T.

Well that's not very kind or sporting is it? From what I have read nobody on this site has said that Nottingham didn't deserve the win, Chiefs were out played and well done to Nottingham. Why do certain supporters from other clubs feel that they have to come onto the Tribe and slag off Chiefs and supporters and just be darn right nasty. The odd jibe done in the friendly spirit of rivalry is fun and we all do it but I would not go onto another message board and wish a team to fail. Please have a good day and I wish Nottingham Rugby Club and supporters well and good luck for the rest of the play offs.

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22 Mar, 2010 11:24 Report
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Lets not throw the baby out with the bath water, because we should not have become a bad team overnight,...but I did cringe when listening to the radio commentary, and EF's report bears out most of the old problems.
My main worries has concerned our fitness. How often have we faded in the 2nd half; let in soft tries, often against the so called poorer teams; been drawn in to a kicking game we never win and rarely get any chances from. OK so we came 2nd by a mile, but how many teams put out their main 15 against us.
So all who thought/hoped we had a rabbit hiding somewhere please get Mr Daniels to produce it....very soon.

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Rob B's view in the Western Morning News

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22 Mar, 2010 11:57 Report
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Hi guys,

Personally this was something that was going to happen, it can be traced back to the games over christmas. Instead of working on match skills tactics game plans we were in the gym topping up our fitness and conditioning. We then had 3 games Albion in the derby we lost LW Bristol Home Lost and LW away lost. Some may say that the league does not matter I however say that its about momentum ok we were winning games by the odd point but winning is a habbit and so is loosing. Against Albion we looked sluggish not interested like we were still on the bus, Bristol after the all action disply at their place we reverted to a tight game and paid the price and LW are always tricky on their patch and frankly we were lucky to beat them down here. Unless we want Bristol in the semis should we get there, we need a change of mind set and cannot afford anymore slip ups in this pool. Otherwise its another year in this league and back to the drawing board to build the next squad.

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22 Mar, 2010 12:27 Report
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Having read RB's comments in todays E&E , he says that he's disappointed in the result but not too down beat as the performance was poor!!!.

Excuse me, but is it not the managers job to pick players who are "up for it" or appoint a captain or leaders on the pitch who can give those around them a kick up the a**e if they need it.
The only plus i can take from yesterday is that the fat lady hasn't sung yet and we still have 5 games left to salvage something.
It seems that this weekend Vs London Welsh is a bigger game than we'd have liked.
Lets hope LW don't pick up the bag with the rabbit in it and beat it against the wall.
The team (whoever is picked ) have a big job this weekend and there can only be one result- 5 fat points.
We all know that you don't become a bad team overnight, and need to get behind this weeks 22 and give them the support they need whilst they have their destiny in their own hands.

Quite rightly there is now a whole load of pressure on the team this weekend and we've heard all season that "its all geared for the playoffs"... "peaking at the right time" etc etc, now is the time for those promises to be backed up.
BTW Exeforeover, a great match report and analysis too.

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22 Mar, 2010 14:08 Report
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thanks for the report exe. it must have been a horrible experience yesterday.

couldnt listen to the commenatary so have been busy hoovering up what everybody is posting and it dont make happy reading.

i wonder if they will show the match at next weeks game?

lw must be licking their lips. they are one side we really dont want to kick the ball to.

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22 Mar, 2010 15:42 Report
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I can appreciate the argument for rotation though I don’t have to accept it and would prefer to see more preparation. If you speak with players you will more often than not find that they agree with rotation provided they are not one of the players rotated and in fact they all want to play week in week out rather than be omitted or collecting splinters in your backside.
As an ex player I wanted to play every week and worked hard to stay in the first team which meant missing weddings and the like because if you took a week off to attend then it might take you a couple of weeks to get back in the side. As a coach I never experienced on player saying thank you if you left him out of the side or placed him on the bench for a week.
Maybe times have changed and professionalism means players are quite happy to be “rested” but of the players at Exeter I have spoken with none seem to fall into that category. Add to that the fact that all the players are full time professional and conditioned to the enth degree then they should surely be able to play eleven consecutive games at the end of a season. I say eleven games because the two before the playoffs should have been preparation.
Preparation relies on maintaining fitness and conditioning, having a more than one dimensional game plane and then seeing that you play to the style chosen in those last two games before the playoffs began. I didn’t see the Plymouth game but I did watch us play a poor Birmingham side which should have been the perfect fixture to go through everything planned in what should have been a very vigorous almost semi opposed session. Instead we wasted the opportunity and just through the ball around with contemptuous ease which proved nothing to anybody.
However, preparation of the mind should have been maintained throughout the season with teams picked from strength and a desire to win every game played. In the B&I cup the mind preparation was nil as the club accepted they would just turn up with a mixed bag side and play rather than go all out to win the competition and to me that’s where the problem began; believing it is OK to lose. It is never OK to lose.
I get the impression from various match reports that we were both outplayed, outthought and most of all just didn’t have the burning desire to win.
But that is now behind us and it can’t be changed.
I would now look to Rob Baxter and his coaching team to firmly get a side in their minds that are fit and mentally strong enough to play what is now eight consecutive games. They owe that to themselves and more importantly they owe it to the directors and supporters.
Exeter are now a full time professional side then I’m sure contracts and salaries are important to the players and coaches alike and cash generation is vital whether the club is promoted or not. Therefore should the club not make the semi finals the financial impact is enormous but equally not arriving in the final, where a home crowd of 8/10,000 might be expected the impact is still great and could well affect the salary levels of future employment contracts.
Finally I look forward to the London Welsh game and those onwards and still demand of the players that they give everything to see the club promoted. If we are beaten by a better side or sides then so be it but please make sure you can look yourself in the mirror whatever the result and if you are one of the squad selected make sure Mr Baxter know you want to stay there for the remainder of the season and not be rotated.
Good luck to all the players and coaches and believe that now is the time to deliver the promise.

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22 Mar, 2010 15:59 Report
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I also came away from yesterdays game bewildered and gutted, but again the best team on the day won. As several of the Nott's fans in the Trent Navigation said yesterday after the game, without any gloating, they were really surprised by the result.

One thing I would like to say though is that I don't question the effort either side put in especially in the last 10 minutes, nor do I question their level of fitness. Those 2 sets of packs put every ounce of energy into attacking/ defending the Nott's line and must have been physically drained, I like many others, would, however, question the tactics used, both the continual pick and go, when the defence by their forwards was so solid and our wings were desperate for the ball and how the continual ping pong which continually lost us possession and ground.

Here endeth my comments on this game.......here's to next week, we live to fight again.

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22 Mar, 2010 19:25 Report
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A sad day for all us old boys wanting nothing more than premiership Rugby at Sandy Park...... As much as i want the new boys to bring success to the club, i honestly feel that there is no character in this side.....when it really counts:-( I hope i am proved wrong

I totally agree with the comments on tactics!! I assume that the coaches are trying to counter-act the increasingly (game destroying) blitz defences... Sides are in your face and make slow ball difficult to use. Hours spent on analysing defence patterns seem more important than focusing on playing in possesion. That said we became too predictable on Sunday in our kicking, There needs to be a balance in our approach. Donny and LW both have blitz defences and my guess is that we will try the same kicking game again..... Time to re-think this and mix up our game. I am sure we will, but if we don't be warned........ Come on new boys we need premiership rugby!!

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I only got home this afternoon from yesterdays match. I was on a Stag weekend in Nottingham which was planned to take in the match.

We all had a great weekend, apart from the match, which we just didn't deserve to win. Like everyone else, I have my views on what went wrong and what we need to change but I think we have to have faith in RB and the coaches. What else can we do?

On the plus side, we all had a great time in Hooters (just across the road from the ground) after the match. The female bar staff/waitresses (?) are gorgeous and it didn't take long before I had completely forgotten about the match.

Bring on London Welsh and I'd like to start a petition for a Hooters to be opened in Exeter please.

Tony

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