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Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
By Mark W-J
August 26 2010
The 24th season of league rugby in England kicks-off this weekend with the opening round of Championship fixtures, although all other divisions wait until the more traditional first weekend of September. London Welsh travel to Nottingham on Sunday, having met the Green & Whites four times last season – twice in the league and twice in the play-offs - with each side claiming home and away wins.

The first meeting of the clubs didn’t take place until February 1985, despite the fact that Nottingham were formed eight years before us, in 1877.  That was the fabled John Player Cup fourth round match which we won 12-11 thanks to Rob Andrew’s wayward goalkicking, England’s Director of Elite Rugby missing nine of his ten attempts at the posts.  Over the course of the last 25 years our paths have crossed 20 times in league and cup, with both sides having won and lost eight times in the league and twice in the cup.  Bizarrely, we’ve each won four at home and four away in the 16 league meetings, although the 1985 game was the only occasion when the away side have emerged triumphant in the cup. 

The first league meeting took place in September 1997 in Jewson National League One – level three of the pyramid - at ODP. We’d enjoyed back-to-back promotions to regain our position at that level twelve months previously after a six year absence, whereas Nottingham had fallen lower than ever before in league rugby.  They were one of the 12 founder members of Courage League One in 1987, enjoying five years in the top flight before being relegated alongside Rosslyn Park at the end of the 1991-92 season.  During this period they provided a number of players to the national cause – although Rob Andrew had moved to Wasps after just one season, Brian Moore was capped 25 times while playing for the club and studying law at Nottingham University – and reached the cup semi-finals in 1990-91. When England finally broke their long losing streak in Cardiff in 1991, it was Nottingham full-back Simon Hodgkinson who kicked a record seven penalties to claim 21 of their 25 points.  More recently, Hodgkinson has been a director of Samurai Sports - the new kit supplier to London Welsh.

Three years ago, as we enjoyed mid-table respectability and our highest ranking for five years, Nottingham had established themselves as ‘the best of the rest’ in National One.  In amassing 116 points from 30 matches –including 23 wins and 24 bonus points – they finished level with second-placed Exeter, albeit 27 points adrift of champions Northampton.  The Saints may have enjoyed a clean-sweep of 30 wins, but Nottingham were the only team to take two losing bonus points from them, falling desperately short 16-10 at home in November and 17-10 at Franklins Gardens in March.  Twelve months later they fell to fourth, ten points worse-off despite only winning one game fewer, while in last year’s inaugural Championship they finished the first half of the season in fifth, four points behind Welsh.  In the promotion play-offs, wins over both Welsh and Exeter put the Green & Whites in touching distance of the knockout stages, but two disappointing defeats to Doncaster saw them fall short.

Much of their recent success has been due to the talent-spotting of Director ofRugby, Glenn Delaney.  It’s fair to say that the dual-registration deal with Leicester has helped a bit, too, but the number of players leaving Meadow Lane for the Premiership in recent seasons is testament to the ex-London Irish lock’s ability to identify players with the potential to develop into Premiership-standard professionals.  It’s strange that the elite clubs are seemingly unwilling to appoint head coaches from lower levels of the hierarchy, preferring instead to promote ex-pros from within – the likes of Delaney and Mike Rayer at Bedford should surely have attracted the attention of owners and directors in the newly-christened Aviva (the insurers have replaced Guinness as title sponsors of the Premiership) and Magners, and our own Danny Wilson quit as Head Coach at Welsh to take an assistant coach role at the Gwent region.

Having signed a long-term deal to play at Notts County’s Meadow Lane ground in 2009,  taken-over by their landlords’ owner, Ray Trew, in the summer, hopefully signalling an end to the uncertainty and instability which threatened to derail their 2009-10 season before it had even kicked-off.  With all the boxes ticked to fulfil the off-the-field criteria for the Premiership, it will be interesting to see how Delaney’s men bounce-back from a heavy defeat in their only pre-season friendly, 54-7 at the hands of a strong Leicester Tigers XV.  If Welsh are to fulfil the expectations ofmany observers and emerge as genuine promotion contenders, the likes of Nottingham, Bedford and Pirates – our four clubs were separated by just six points after 22 games last term - will be the teams we have to overcome in order to pull away from the pack.  That’s not to underestimate the threat of Bristol, Rotherham – under the returning Andre Bester – or the rest of our Championship rivals, but as one of the pre-season promotion favourites, Welsh have the additional pressure of being expected to win everytime they take to the field - and win with style.

A couple of weeks ago, in his column in the Daily Telegraph, Des Lynam wrote of the joy that the start of the new football season brings to him as a fan of Brighton & Hove Albion.  He suggested that Wimbledon, The Open and Glorious Goodwood are ‘no comparable substitute for… supporting a team in the third tier of English football.  Without this regular fix of pleasure or pain, the long dark winter days would be insufferable.’  It’s easy to empathise with Des – the thought of dark afternoons on the duckboards is what keeps us going through the drudgery of Test match cricket and Murray-mania.  Let us hope that the next nine months or so bring us much more pleasure than pain, and we can look back on the achievements of our 125th anniversary season next May with pride.

 

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Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: The Dragons\\\' Den (IP Logged)
Date: 26/08/2010 07:52

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Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 27/08/2010 09:27

Phil Greening here:

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Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Gareth1980 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/08/2010 15:16

22 For Sunday copied from Club Site:-

1 Michael Holford

2 Vili Ma'asi

3 Shawn Pittman

4 Martin Purdy

5 Matt Corker

6 Jon Mills (capt)

7 Michael Hills

8 Jon Fisher

9 Nick Runciman

10 Gordon Ross

11 Josh Drauniniu

12 Simon Whatling

13 Hudson Tonga’uiha

14 Liam Gibson

15 Errie Claassens

Replacements: 16.Saul Nelson 17.Lorne Ward 18.Ben Russell 19.Mike Powell 20.Rob Lewis 21.Paul Sampson 22.Aled Thomas

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 14:04

Notts 0-5 LW (14)

Conv missed

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 14:05

Notts 3-5 LW

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 14:13

Notts 6-5 LW

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 14:23

Notts 6-10 LW (11)

Conv missed (hit post)

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 14:25

Notts 9-10 LW

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 14:27

Notts 9-13 LW

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 14:29

Notts 12-13 LW

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 14:32

Notts 15-13 LW

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 14:44

HT Notts 15-13 LW

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 15:00

Notts 18-13 LW

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 15:25

Notts 18-18 LW (12)

Conv kick

18-20

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 15:28

Notts 21-20 LW

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 15:33

Notts 21-25 LW (11)

Conv kick

21-27

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: louise123 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 15:34

who is kicking for post as A.Thomas is on the bench?

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 15:42

FT Notts 21-27 LW



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Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 15:45

Gordon Ross

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: chairman of the board (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 15:47

well done no tries against and a 4try bonus point!

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Marco Bogsham (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 16:26

Thanks for the updates as always BW, stuck in work, only means of knowing the score.

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 19:21

Due to a family 60th birthday (my dear beloved wife bless her) i coudn't get up to Nottingham. It sounds and looks like i missed a very good game and i am so pleased that we didn't conceed any tries. Well done to LONDON WELSH.

I will however be in Cornwall next week. As usual Blackheath Welsh always keeps everyone in touch with the game with his fantastic up to the minute up dates which are just BRILL. PADDYTAF (Sm60)(Sm128)



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Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/08/2010 20:28

Great result, great trip. Could/should have been more comprehensive but nobody's grumbling after coming away with a bonus point win from a draughty Meadow Lane. The Pie Club is highly recommended. Notts have still got their blasted drummer but thank god, no vuvuzelas!

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2010 06:22

Thoroughly enjoyed the day out, including both Pie Club and Cheese Club. (Sm93)

Match report here:
[www.london-welsh.co.uk]



All together now, "There is, a House, in Nooooo Orleeeeennnns..."(Sm61)

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2010 16:40

Oh, and I have a smart blue coat which someone left behind. PM me to sort out collection.

EDIT: sorted.



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Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: 1spy (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2010 20:28

PaddyTaff great to hear your coming to Cornwall.Hope we meet up.
Regards
Bill Rees

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2010 21:30

Quote:
1spy
PaddyTaff great to hear your coming to Cornwall.Hope we meet up.
Regards
Bill Rees

We will be in the Bembow on Friday night. On Saturday we will be going to Redruth, then back in Penzance Saturday night but maybe quite late and of course on Sunday at the Mennaye. Hope to meet up with you. (Do you know Phil Pearce?)
PADDYTAF (Sm60)(Sm128)

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2010 07:28

As said by others, it was an excellent day out, entertaining game and an even better result!

Naturally at the start of a season the focus in on the new signings but 3 of the existing squad had stand-out performances. Gordon Ross and Simon Whatling kept the game moving very well and Michael Hills might well have picked up MotM had it been a home fixture.

Next up will be a tough challenge down at Pirates. Next LWSC coach is to Plymouth on 18th Sept. Max fare £24, half price for first-timers, juniors and accompanying spouses. Book early on 07989 784082.

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: gar (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2010 18:37

How did we give away so many kickable penalties?

Re: Nottingham v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2010 21:17

Offside mainly - Debney's a strict ref. Arlidge an ace kicker one in the first half from 40 yards at least against the wind.

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