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By Leipziger
February 21 2009
We must hope relegation is never abolished. Most teams, it is alleged, play a boring, pragmatic form of rugby when they need to win and when they are safe and can relax, they change to a more fluid and attacking style. The Falcons must be the only team to do it the other way round, turning in an awful, wasteful performance for the first 40 minutes of last night's game against Saracens.
 

Thankfully in the second half we saw a much better show, and a try from John Rudd added to the boot of Tom May lifted us back up to ninth in the table, with the prospect of moving up another place if results go our way this weekend and we beat Northampton in a week's time. This was the first time in over three years that we have secured a third Premiership win on the bounce, I was surprised to learn.


The Master, with that title now seemingly a bit more serious following last week's glorious victory over Bristol, stuck with the same XXII that kicked butt at the Memorial Stadium but it was Sarries who were on the scoresheet early this week with a Glen Jackson penalty, as the Falcons' discipline deserted them in the early stages.


Phil Dowson saved a certain try by outpacing Kameli Ratuvou on the left following a loose pass and forcing the winger to knock on, but two further penalty from Jackson taking the visitors further ahead.


The impression I got in the first half was a lack of confidence, particularly among the backs who were hesitant under the high or long ball and many players seemed reluctant to take tackles. One hospital ball in particular on halfway took a miracle for us not to get turned over.


We looked like a team who had lost by 30 points the previous week, not won by 30 – I'm all for keeping players' feet on the ground but while telling players what they did wrong, tell them what they did right too so they can repeat it!


One late penalty from May kept us in the hunt, and then in the second half the Falcons came out like a changed team. They now played more with the ball in hand and were much more aggressive going into tackles. They were almost rewarded with some forward battering on the right, and from a 5m scrum Micky Young looked to go around the outside but was easily bundled into touch.


It was Rudd though who made up for an innocuous first half sin-binning to battle through a tackle and score his second league try of the season – it's a time for unlikely scorers at the moment – and May, as he was wont to do, slowly stepped up to kick us into a slender 10-9 lead.


With Saracens now behind, we had to be careful not to let them back in straight away and credit to the boys, in the remaining half an hour our opponents didn't spend a great deal of time in our 22, never attempting a drop goal, and we usually managed to keep them on halfway. The defence really has improved, what we now need to do is score more tries on a consistent basis.


May missed a penalty to stretch our lead further after Saracens had been reduced to 14 men thanks to Justin Marshall's transgressions, but made no mistake five minutes from time. Saracens now needed to cross the line, but again we held them on halfway and kept our discipline better than earlier.


Finally the clock ticked past zero and I could swear we knocked on – but apparently not, and the ball was kicked out to the elation of the 6,000+ inside Kingston Park who had produced another superb atmosphere.


We can look forward to more days like this next season, as if we weren't safe at 12 points ahead of Bristol, they certainly aren't going to make up 16 with just eight games left.


With higher crowds hopefully due to the sensible season ticket prices for which I congratulate Mr Thompson and the club, the future looks a lot brighter than it did just a month and a half ago, before we embarked on our best league run since November 2005-January 2006.


The last time we won a fourth league game in a row was, off the top of my head, when we beat Harlequins in September 2004 to go top of the table, although that run included one victory at the end of the previous season, at Rotherham.


Well done to man of the match Micky Young, who must be cemented as our first choice scrum half now, and Tu'ipulotu and Noon who are both really coming into form. May might not have been as effective at fly half as against Bristol, but he still had a decent game, and the lineout was decent for the most part.


And last but not least, well done to the poster whose column was on the Supporters Club page in the programme last night – great read.


Onwards and upwards!

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Definitely safe now
Posted by: FalconsRugby.org.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 21/02/2009 15:09

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Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 21/02/2009 15:39

I've just seen Rudd's try on Sky.

I would hardly say he had to battle through a tackle. He had to catch the ball and make 4 yards. He did that but so would just about everyone else in the side too and others like Visser and Phillips who wern't.

Dissapointing, I thought he'd done some creative work.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Dr. B. (IP Logged)
Date: 21/02/2009 15:53

A try's a try as far as I'm concerned and I'm not fussy how they come.

It all helps keep us in the Premiership, so I applaud the lad.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 21/02/2009 16:10

I must be remembering the try wrong then.

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Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Wearsider (IP Logged)
Date: 21/02/2009 16:42

He did have to battle through a tackle.
It was right in front of us at the SS. He took it well and dragged a couple of theirs over with him

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 21/02/2009 17:11

Agreed but it was only a couple of yards and him momentum took him over. As I said any player in the team would have scored from there. May had done the work inside him to create it and he gets the credit from what I saw.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Way out west (IP Logged)
Date: 21/02/2009 17:19

It wasn't a fall over the line score but it was one that he really couldn't miss.

It must have given him a big adrenaline surge as he seemed 2 yds faster when chasing high balls afterwards and put in a tremendous hit on Marshall which was good to see

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 07:59

Quote:
Wearsider
He did have to battle through a tackle.
It was right in front of us at the SS. He took it well and dragged a couple of theirs over with him

That's pretty much how I remember it.

Quote:
Way out West
It wasn't a fall over the line score but it was one that he really couldn't miss.

Plenty of players get the ball a couple of yards out and get tackled without scoring.

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Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 08:29

Watch it again when the highlights are shown.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Dr. B. (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 10:40

I watched the highlights during the Glos Quins game yesterday and reckon smaller, less physical wingers (oooooh, let's say, for argument's sake ..... erm ... Shane Williams, the IRB Player of the Year) wouldn't have got through the last two defenders. There was no room to step and go round them so Rudd had to go through.

It wasn't as straightforward as you're suggesting Touchy, not in my opinion anyway. It would have been all too easy to be stopped short and there wasn't exactly a huge number of players coming up in support as the majority all seemed to be out on the left (right as seen from the SS).

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 11:23

From my recollection it was at least 5 yards from the touchline, maybe more but plenty of room to step. Even if he'd been tackled around legs he'd still have reached the line it was that close. He didn't even hand off the tacklers.
It'll take a lot more than that to convince me he's a GP winger. Wilson did a lot more to score v Brizz.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 11:31

So for once did Dump Truck's qualities lend themselves to the situation?

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 11:40

Yup he got himself in right place, collected the pass, could have passed on but powered over and took the try scoring opportunity.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 12:10

Yup, as just about anyone else in the team would have done.

But, as I said he didn't create or do anything to make the try that was all done for him.

I reckon we'd be better with Wilson on the wing, he's probably just as quick and has more rugby nous.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 12:15

I disagree you point out the job of a winger is to score tries so you cant take it away from him when he does so. He got himself in right place, took the right option and did it well. That cant be taken away from him - i've seen them dropped, passed on and fluffed or knocked on as no doubt have you.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Wearsider (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 12:16

It's strange how those of us who were there and witnessed it first hand from about 30 yards away seem to have got it all wrong.
Apparently it was a gimme and Rudd had nothing to do with any of the play except for falling over the line and touching down.
Perhaps I'll not bother next year's ST and just read about the games after they've been analysed and written about by people who weren't there.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 12:22

Quote:
TouchLine
Yup, as just about anyone else in the team would have done.

If every player who ever got the ball two yards out with two defenders in front of him scored there'd be 10 tries every match.

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Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 12:32

You must be watching different games to me.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 12:49

How? If every player was able to go through two defenders the line would be broken at every ruck, and defences would be powerless to stop that many tries once the other team powered it's way to the line.

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Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 13:43

Different circumstances.

Most of the time when you get that situation is the forwards taking slow ball and tryng to force their way over against a line of defenders ready and waiting for them.
Rudd's try was wide out after the inside players had drawn the defence and created the opportunity.
That doesn't happen 10 times in ant game I've seen for a long time so you must be watching differrnt games to me. If it did then I'd agree with you that we'd see a lot more tries.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 14:50

Doesnt take away the fact that whatever else he done in the game the try was taken well and they have been fluffed many a time.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Oxonian (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 15:08

In the end:

He did well to take it, but it was a chance that should have been scored and usually is.

So taking the try isnt indicative of either a high level of ability or a lack of it.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Mally (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 15:58

It was scored. It won us the match - do we really need to argus about it?

I'm not a Rudd fan - but even I'll give him the credit he deserved for that one!

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: the moz (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 19:36

I agree. Not a Rudd fan but he did his supposed job and scored. Is Grindal injured?

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 21:02

Touchy,

You've complained about Rudd's selection many a time, citing his lack of tries as the reason.

He's scored a try but that's still not to your satisfaction.

Habitual complainers are never satisfied.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Way out west (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 21:16

I'm not a habutual complainer,i was in the west stand not far from the south sand end- the forwards had done all the work, Rudd had positioned himself very well. My first thought was that he should have drawn the last man and passed to whoever was outside him (not sure who it was). When he decided to go himself, he had to score or it would have been a hugely wasted opportunity.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 21:20

And did he score or not?

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Way out west (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 21:29

He did - and i was up out of my seat to give him credit - and hopefully he will do the same on saturday at nothampton as i belive that that is agame we can win as well

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Mally (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 21:34

Oh feck I hope someone else scores at Saints then - am on the radio and it'll kill me to have to be nice about Rudd!! And I'd have to be wouldn't I if he scores two weeks running!

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Way out west (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 21:36

Did say I.m not a hibutual complainer but i do like the odd flutter and my advice woould be - don't bet on it.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 21:44

They'll take some beating at home as nobody else has managed it - should get good odds.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Way out west (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 21:47

Myler missed 4 kicks today (might have been 6 - can't remeber) - might be worth a bet on a falcons win.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 21:50

He doesn't tend to at home though does he?

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Way out west (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 21:55

that i don't know - but he might be feeling the presure of being first chice there now. and if the falcons can keep in touch and add to the pressure - could be 4 wins on on the trot.

and 2 consecutive away wins on the trot since 1922.

ok. made the last bit up, think it was 1936.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 22:00

Myler has been first choice at 10 for months now so doubt it. Hopefully we can do it and if we do it will be a great scalp and massive morale boost for tough games against Sale, Quins, & Bath after that.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Way out west (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 22:07

but Spenser was there for most of that time so he had the motivation to keep him out of the team. Now the psychology is completely different - he is the number 1 which brings different pressures - hopefully will work in our favour on saturday.

or he might play a blinder - who knows.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 22:09

Quote:
You've complained about Rudd's selection many a time, citing his lack of tries as the reason.

Wrong again Dodgy.


I have complained about Rudd's selection citing his lack of the necessary skills as a winger as the reason. His lack of tries was evidence to support the argument. One try especially what was essentially a flank forward's try in it's manner of scoring doesn't change my view.

From your tone I assume you have changed your opinion of him then and are now in favour of him being selected every week then? Or are you just being hypocritical?

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 22:34

Not at all, I've not commented on his performance as I wasn't there.

I too still think he's not good enough but I've not commented about his try as I've not seen it.

You have persistently complained that he doesn't score enough tries, but you're still complaining, fact.

Habitual complainer, you get a kick out of it.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2009 23:15

You comment on him repeatedly and more than I do and even even refer to him as Crudd.

Pot calling kettle yet again.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: batt murke (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 12:45

Once again TL, get a life.

He scored a try and we won end of story.

You moaned after we beat Brizz and moaning again........

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Merula (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 15:00

Quote:
TouchLine
it was at least 5 yards from the touchline, maybe more.... Even if he'd been tackled around legs he'd still have reached the line it was that close..

Five yards or moore from the touchline - if he was tackled round the legs, he could still have reached over. Blimey, I didn't realise we had 15 foot tall players in the team!!!

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Wearsider (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 15:44

From the touchline Merula.
Not the goal line.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 15:46

Watched it again last night. Swinson made the try by running back against the drift and holding the defence. May's pass put Rudd over. He was 5 yards out when he took it with two defenders. The winger didn't lay a finger on him and the No 6 went high with 1 arm only and barely ruffled Rudd's hair

As I said orginally there's no way he "battled through a tackle".

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: citizen-slacker (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 16:22

So barely ruffled was he that he threw his arms up in the air & danced around for joy?

No, one armed the tackle may have been, soft, no.

Sorry TL, TV compared to being present gives differing views & I'm with the lot that say he had to work for it.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Merula (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 16:27

Quote:
Wearsider
From the touchline Merula.
Not the goal line.

Apologies and thanks for putting me right - that'll teach me to read it properly before I reply. OK as one who only listened to it - how far from the goal line was he?

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: citizen-slacker (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 16:29

About five yards, but took two tacklers over the line with him.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 16:33

No.

One "tackler" opted out and didn't touch him at all. The flanker tried to tackle but went high with only one arm and had no effect and wasn't even in contact when Rudd when over the line

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: citizen-slacker (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 16:33

Agree to disagree.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: There's 35 seconds to go (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 16:38

So Rudd beat two defenders to score?

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 16:43

No, the winger didn't attempt a tackle.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: There's 35 seconds to go (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 17:52

Did he run past the winger, whether the winger attempted a tackle or not?

Two defenders beaten.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Mally (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 18:14

DID HE SCORE? YES! DID WE WIN THE MATCH? YES! DOES ANYTHING ELSE BLOODY MATTER? NO!!!!!!

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: There's 35 seconds to go (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 18:18

[:wor kid:]

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 18:25

If you're that desperate to talk him up, he ran past everyone so 15 defenders beaten.(Sm119)

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: SaintsDuncan (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 20:49

Well according to teletext the other day Jon Rudd did not score...







...TOM Rudd did however.

Larf? I thought my legs would never dry.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 21:30

Touchy,

I might comment on him repeatedly but you're missing the point.

I'm not criticising him on his match winning try like you are. I've not tried to make out he's the greatest, as he's not, but I've refrained from dissing his try.

Just accept that he scored and won us the match, he might be@#$%&usually but give him credit for scoring the try that won us the game man.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: maccafan (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 21:41

Isn't it contract renewal time for the Rhino?

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 21:46

Yes, and I hope it's not renewed.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: MissedPass (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2009 21:49

Rudd did what was needed. He is not, and never will be a world beater, and frankly you would have expected any GP winger to have scored the opportunity he was given. Did he do well and are we pleased? Yes. But he is still not the answer!! Fine for now, but we need better next season, or it will be more mediocrity.

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 24/02/2009 08:54

"But he is still not the answer!!" If Rudd is the answer, what is the question?

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Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: Merula (IP Logged)
Date: 24/02/2009 10:33

Nah - Rudd's not 42

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: maccafan (IP Logged)
Date: 24/02/2009 16:24

Anyone want to bet against the Master giving him a deal?

Re: Definitely safe now
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 24/02/2009 16:26

He might be asking too much money now he's a try scorer(Sm14)

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